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  1. mab010

    mab010 Guest

    sure the hybrids are bigger more roomy but they don't get any more gas
    mileage than older cars. in a time when gas prices are high like they are
    more mileage would be nice. don't get me wrong I just bought a 2005 Saturn
    relay. since I owned my geo I now have a family of 5. it is rated at 24 mpg.
    to compensate this thanksgiving we made a 300 mile trip I dropped my speed
    to 63 instead of 75 mile per hour.with a 1 hour delay in traffic I averaged
    30.miles per gallon.
    i am sorry for the misunderstanding I meant my geo got better mph so it
    produced less emissions than the hybrid.I was thinking that the emissions
    for the hybrid was the selling point. thanks for the reply.
     
  2. Chris Hill

    Chris Hill Guest

    It is. Your geo when tested especially in city driving would produce
    a lot more emmissions than a hybrid. City driving is where hybrids
    shine the most.
     
  3. mab010

    mab010 Guest

    I HAVE READ THAT HYBRIDS TEND TO LOOSE THEY'RE EFFIENTCY ON THE HIGHWAY.
    BECAUSE THE MOTORS TEND TO BE UNDER POWERED. ( NOT ALL). WHEN YOU ARE ON THE
    HIGHWAY THE ELECTRIC MOTOR CANNOT RUN AS EFFECTIVELY.SO YOU ARE RUNNING A
    BIGGER CAR WITH A SMALLER MOTOR ON THE HIGHWAY.I GUESS WHAT I AM SAYING IS
    MOST PEOPLE TEND TO BY BIGGER CARS FOR ROAD TRIPS.BECAUSE THE RIDE IS
    BETTER.IF WE ARE LOOKING AT MILES PER GALLON IN THE CITY.I THINK YOU ARE
    RIGHT.HOWEVER THAT BIG PIRUS CAT PARK EVERYWHERE THAT TINY LITTLE METRO CAN.
    HA HA... JUST JOKING. BY THE WAY I DO MOST HIGHWAY DRIVING.
     
  4. Chris Hill

    Chris Hill Guest


    Doesn't lose efficiency, just doesn't have all the power some might
    want over a steady state. Frankly, this argument is bogus here in the
    midwest; it keeps up with traffic, and'll do 9 over the 70mph limit
    without running out of juice. Its mileage advantage is less on the
    highway, but our prius can still get 50mpg on a 220 mile highway trip.
    Besides that, you don't have to shift it, and can haul four adults
    without any of them griping about running out of room.

    If you want something really efficient to haul one person on the
    highway, forget the car and buy a motorcycle.
     
  5. mab010

    mab010 Guest

    well according to the pirus owner he said I should get a motorcycle.the only
    thing is bogus is you.if I get a motorcycle. lets say Harley-Davidson.it
    gets 50 to 60mpg.it will still get less emissions than your pirus.so I guess
    we all should get one of those hybrid I mean half-breed pieces of crap and
    save the world.get your dam facts straight . I am saying the dam thing does
    not get anymore gasmilage than cars from the past. yes there smaller.so
    f---ing what.you might know something about a pirus but you don't no crap
    about anything else.
     
  6. I don't think anyone here believes that a Harley Davidson is a very
    efficient form of transportation, with an engine that
    can barely run at idle without stalling, and more horsepower wasted as
    sound pressure than should be allowed by law.

    What everyone has been trying to pass through the wax in your ears is
    that a Prius, with a curb weight of 2890 lbs, and a carrying capacity
    of 5 adults gets over 60 mpg.

    A Geo Metro weighs 1690 lbs and can only carry four adults.
    So, per pound of mass transported per gallon of gas, a Prius is almost
    twice as efficient. It's also not a stripped down piece of crap like a
    Metro.

    --Gene
     
  7. mab010

    mab010 Guest

    thank for your words. I am not trying to knock hybrids. I just get mad at
    people when they don't listen.the only complaint I really have with hybrids
    they cost more to operate than the same car with a gas engine. some figures
    I have seen with the mileage increase of the hybrid and the regular version
    you only get a penny a mile for the hybrid. at that rate you would have to
    drive 100000 miles to break even for the hybrid option.this was on a Honda
    version.I am of the school that there are old cars that still get great gas
    mileage are an option. I have bought a Nissan altima for 1200.00$ 40mpg. now
    to me that is even better that a 15000.00$ pirus or a 6000.00 metro. that
    way you're money ahead.
     
  8. mike wilcox

    mike wilcox Guest

     
  9. mike wilcox

    mike wilcox Guest

    Crap my friend, the combined mpg of a prius is the best you can get
    period for any five seater midsized car in North America and the second
    best for any sized car sold in North America.

    some figures
    Nope, the Prius gets 60/City-51/Highway-55/Combined. Toyota does not
    make a Non-Hybrid version of the Prius, the closest model to the Prius
    Toyota makes is the Camry, which gets 24mpg/City-34/Highway-27/Combined.
    As you can see the Prius gets twice the combined MPG as the Camry.

    this was on a Honda
    Sure you can buy a used car, but then you are comparing apples with
    oranges, a fairer comparison would be between a new comparably sized
    Nissan to the Prius. For example the newest Nissan Sentra gets 28/City-
    35/highway, the Altima with the smallest engine gets 24/city-31/highway
    35. So in your best case scenario, the Prius gets 36mpg better than the
    Nissan around town and 17 mpg more on the highway.
     
  10. There's a nutbar in this neighborhood who drives a lime-green Metro, with
    one of those loud "muscle car" tail pipes and a huge airfoil - mounted on
    the roof because there's no trunk.

    Even if you can make it walk like a duck and quack like a duck, sometimes
    you just don't get a duck...
     
  11. Who would do that? The batteries will only take it a kilometer or so, so it
    seems unlikely that anyone really makes it a plug-in.
    Did he say mpg?
    So his numbers are a little suspect - because transporting the extra vehicle
    weight with better mileage is no great achievement, but it _does_ carry
    more payload with better mileage - still a significantly higher
    "mass-distance transported per gallon". Some people let personal beliefs
    blind them to facts.
     
  12. On what do you base that assumption? Motorcycles don't have the emissions
    controls that cars have.
     
  13. Vaughn Simon

    Vaughn Simon Guest

    I suggest that you speak with a bit more precision. The Prius does not
    "get" 60/51/55 mpg any more than the Camry "gets" 24/34/27. You are
    apparently quoting EPA figures, which are better used for comparison between
    vehicles than as an estimate of real-world gas mileage. The only way to
    "get" the EPA mileage is to mount your car on a fixed dyno and drive the EPA
    cycle precisely.

    Actually, a recent Consumers Digest article showed that real-world gas
    mileage for hybrids trails their EPA mileage by a larger percentage than
    conventional vehicles. As I recall, the Civic is the biggest offender,
    missing its EPA mileage by some 25%.

    I have nothing against hybrids, the Prius in particular is an
    engineering work of art. I may well own a hybrid someday, but we owe it to
    ourselves to keep reality firmly in mind.

    Vaughn
     
  14. mab010

    mab010 Guest

    YOU ARE NOT GAINING YOU ARE MIRLY BREAKING EVEN ON THE MILEAGE ISSUE.GIVE ME
    A CAR THAT WILL GET 70 TO 90 MPG I WILL BY IT. I THINK THE STUDY I LOOKED AT
    WAS A CIVIC.BUT FOR A PENNEY A MILE IT IS NOT WORTH IT. LIKE I SAID
    100000MILE BEFORE YOU START SAVE MONEY ON THE OPTION YOU BOUGHT.IF YOU DON'T
    DRIVE THE CAR THAT FAR IN MY OPINION YOU MIGHT AS WELL GIVE YOUR MONEY TO
    HONDA. THAT IS MY POINT. SAVE MONEY DECREASE POLLUTION . AND HAVE A
    SATISFACTORY VEHICLE.
     
  15. Dave Hinz

    Dave Hinz Guest

    Please turn off the caps-lock; there is no need to shout.
     
  16. Stop yelling, stop top-posting. And learn to spell.
     
  17. John Gilmer

    John Gilmer Guest

    Maybe it's time for folks to pull that old practical joke whereby the joker
    secretly adds some gas every day to the gas tank of the guy who like to brag
    about his mileage. The "free" gas continue until even the "victim" almost
    doesn't believe his mileage numbers.

    THEN the joker starts taking gas OUT of the victim's car.
     
  18. Vaughn

    Vaughn Guest

    I agree, they do little better on gas mileage than a small car. On a
    typical Harley, the EPA mpg was 39/49, with a 1540 CC engine. That thing costs
    some $16,000!
    I don't know where that comes from. The V-twin engine is asymmetric
    radially, and therefore idles with a characteristic "loping" sound. AFAIK, it
    has no more problem idling than any other motorcycle engine.
    Of course, that is what sells it.
    Get more than its EPA mpg? Not with any regularity.

    Vaughn
     
  19. mike wilcox

    mike wilcox Guest

    This comes up a lot in mpg comparisons, but it doesn't matter if the EPA
    figures are out by 5% or 50%, the ratio between vehicles mileage ratings
    would be the same because each vehicle is tested exactly the same way.
     
  20. mike wilcox

    mike wilcox Guest

    For the EPA's figures to be "wacked" for the Prius they would have to be
    wacked for every car they test, because the test is the same. The point
    is the ratio would be the same, if the EPA was off 20% for the Prius it
    would be 20% off for all of them.

    Very few cars available in North America during the mid 80's got 45 mpg
    that were not compact econocars. As for keeping the Prius for a long
    period, Very few people keep the same car for 16 years. The battery pack
    is under warranty for 8 years, blow it up at 8 years they give you a new
    one and you're good for another 8 years.
     
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