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Nick Markowitz

Jan 1, 1970
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Hi everyone
This idiot HVAC installer hooked up transformer disconnect line for the
duct detector with the normal brown 18/2 low voltage cable on the 230vac
side of the transformer
instead of the 24vac side and caused a major flashover when i went to hook
in the duct detector he did this on all 4 roof units and when the building
inspector called and demanded an answer the guy gives him i thought it was
suppose to be that way.
Needless to say this crack head and his outfit will not be doing any more
installs in that community any more.
and is getting back charged for all the damage he caused.
I know there are idiots out there but i seem to find more of them than
anyone else.
Is it just me or are HVAC companys hiring nothing but crack heads lately to
do there work. This is not the first time this contractor got into trouble
on this job.

--
Nick Markowitz Jr.
Owner
Markowitz Electric Protection
Private Industry Fire Investigator.
Qualified Electrical- Fire Alarm Contractor

Contributing Editor Pa. Firemans Magazine

Senior Correspondant www.1strespondernews.com
Contributor www.monyoughfire.com
www.nbfd.us
Contract Broadcast Engineer WAVL 910 AM apollo Pa.
 
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Matt Ion

Jan 1, 1970
0
Nick said:
Hi everyone
This idiot HVAC installer hooked up transformer disconnect line for the
duct detector with the normal brown 18/2 low voltage cable on the 230vac
side of the transformer
instead of the 24vac side and caused a major flashover when i went to hook
in the duct detector he did this on all 4 roof units and when the building
inspector called and demanded an answer the guy gives him i thought it was
suppose to be that way.
Needless to say this crack head and his outfit will not be doing any more
installs in that community any more.
and is getting back charged for all the damage he caused.
I know there are idiots out there but i seem to find more of them than
anyone else.
Is it just me or are HVAC companys hiring nothing but crack heads lately to
do there work. This is not the first time this contractor got into trouble
on this job.

It's not just HVAC guys. I heard a great one yesterday...

I was investigating some intercom issues at a gas station, and I called the guy
who originally installed them. Apparently all the wiring for the pump intercoms
run up through the canopy, which the electrical contractor knew full well
(including their locations) when he grabbed a Sawzall and started cutting out
holes in the soffit for the lights. Sliced right through the camera wires, AC
conduits...
 
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Crash Gordon

Jan 1, 1970
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Because companies are hiring illegals to "run wires from here to
there"...not learn a trade. In a few years there won't be anyone qualified
except a dying bunch of old farts like us.


| Hi everyone
| This idiot HVAC installer hooked up transformer disconnect line for the
| duct detector with the normal brown 18/2 low voltage cable on the 230vac
| side of the transformer
| instead of the 24vac side and caused a major flashover when i went to hook
| in the duct detector he did this on all 4 roof units and when the building
| inspector called and demanded an answer the guy gives him i thought it was
| suppose to be that way.
| Needless to say this crack head and his outfit will not be doing any more
| installs in that community any more.
| and is getting back charged for all the damage he caused.
| I know there are idiots out there but i seem to find more of them than
| anyone else.
| Is it just me or are HVAC companys hiring nothing but crack heads lately
to
| do there work. This is not the first time this contractor got into trouble
| on this job.
|
| --
| Nick Markowitz Jr.
| Owner
| Markowitz Electric Protection
| Private Industry Fire Investigator.
| Qualified Electrical- Fire Alarm Contractor
|
| Contributing Editor Pa. Firemans Magazine
|
| Senior Correspondant www.1strespondernews.com
| Contributor www.monyoughfire.com
| www.nbfd.us
| Contract Broadcast Engineer WAVL 910 AM apollo Pa.
|
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| "To error is human to realy foul things up requires a computer"
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| Irish Diplomacy
|
| The ability to tell a man to go to hell and he tells you how much he is
| looking forward to taking the trip.
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| If a job is so simple a Monkey can do it The Monkey usally does a better
job
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Nick Markowitz

Jan 1, 1970
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Im afraid youre statement has a lot of truth to it in next 10 years the
trades will be seeing a 50% reduction in its workforce as older tradesman
start retiring.
already there are big problems getting trade posistions filled in many parts
of the country.
 
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Crash Gordon

Jan 1, 1970
0
Where I am there are hardly any young bucks working in contruction trade
like there used to be, mostly young Mexicans working as cheap help. Not many
summer college kids swinging hammers or pulling romex when the Mexicans are
getting those jobs now, and few will stay on to actually learn why they are
running 12ga instead of 14 from here to there.




| Im afraid youre statement has a lot of truth to it in next 10 years the
| trades will be seeing a 50% reduction in its workforce as older tradesman
| start retiring.
| already there are big problems getting trade posistions filled in many
parts
| of the country.
|
|
 
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Robert L Bass

Jan 1, 1970
0
Because companies are hiring illegals
to "run wires from here to there"...not
learn a trade. In a few years there won't
be anyone qualified except a dying
bunch of old farts like us.

Do you really believe that all the bad electrical work you run across was
done by illegal aliens? I've seen plenty of bad alarm installations done by
US citizens.

Interestingly, we just had our pool and lanai (Florida speak for "enclosed
patio") redone. The GC on the job used several different companies to do
the work. There was a Mexican team that did the new stone finish inside the
pool, an American group that did the plumbing, another American who did the
electrical work and a Brazilian outfit that laid the paver stones.

The American plumbers screwed up several times, cutting a 2-inch return feed
from the filtration system and dumping several thousand gallons of water
into my gardens. They allowed yard dirt to get into the lines and have yet
to come back to fix a misconnected fitting in the spa.

The American electrician couldn't figure out how to connect all three pool
lights (they're on two separate transformers) to the pool automation system.
I had to diagram it for him before he could understand it. He also failed
to run cables to the attic as agreed so that I can connect the pool
automation system to my ELK M1 Gold home automation controller.

The Mexicans did an excellent job though they left one small rough spot in
the bottom of the pool. In all fairness, even I didn't notice it until
after they had gone. They're coming back next week with a diver to smooth
out that area.

The Brazilian outfit did a magnificent job on the pavers. They carefully
cut each stone to make an exact fit against the complex curves of the bull
nose edging surrounding the pool. Every brick is perfectly smooth against
the next -- no high spots in over 2,200 square feet of pavers.

In my experience about 90% of all electricians do decent to excellent work.
I guess it's about 70% of alarm installers. The rest are, well... monkeys.

--

Regards,
Robert L Bass

=============================>
Bass Home Electronics
4883 Fallcrest Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34233
941-866-1100 Sales & Tech Support
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
=============================>
 
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Doug L

Jan 1, 1970
0
Since you freely admit to installing numerous MA3000's in a manner directly
conflicting with the code, that would put you in the monkey club.

Doug L
 
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Danny

Jan 1, 1970
0
Robert said:
Do you really believe that all the bad electrical work you run across was
done by illegal aliens? I've seen plenty of bad alarm installations done by
US citizens.

Interestingly, we just had our pool and lanai (Florida speak for "enclosed
patio") redone. The GC on the job used several different companies to do
the work. There was a Mexican team that did the new stone finish inside the
pool, an American group that did the plumbing, another American who did the
electrical work and a Brazilian outfit that laid the paver stones.

The American plumbers screwed up several times, cutting a 2-inch return feed
from the filtration system and dumping several thousand gallons of water
into my gardens. They allowed yard dirt to get into the lines and have yet
to come back to fix a misconnected fitting in the spa.

The American electrician couldn't figure out how to connect all three pool
lights (they're on two separate transformers) to the pool automation system.
I had to diagram it for him before he could understand it. He also failed
to run cables to the attic as agreed so that I can connect the pool
automation system to my ELK M1 Gold home automation controller.

The Mexicans did an excellent job though they left one small rough spot in
the bottom of the pool. In all fairness, even I didn't notice it until
after they had gone. They're coming back next week with a diver to smooth
out that area.

The Brazilian outfit did a magnificent job on the pavers. They carefully
cut each stone to make an exact fit against the complex curves of the bull
nose edging surrounding the pool. Every brick is perfectly smooth against
the next -- no high spots in over 2,200 square feet of pavers.

In my experience about 90% of all electricians do decent to excellent work.
I guess it's about 70% of alarm installers. The rest are, well... monkeys.
thank you for bringing that to our attention.
 
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Doug L

Jan 1, 1970
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I'll bump it for you, but trust me RLB doesn't have or anyone else filtered

Doug

--

Bob Worthy said:
in message
Do you really believe that all the bad electrical work you run across was
done by illegal aliens? I've seen plenty of bad alarm installations done by
US citizens.

RLB = US citizen
RLB = One time alarm installer
RLB stands back and admires his work
RLB = Self proclaimed expert

hey hey hey, we have all heard about your installs
Interestingly, we just had our pool and lanai (Florida speak for
"enclosed
patio") redone. The GC on the job used several different companies to do
the work. There was a Mexican team that did the new stone finish
an American group that did the plumbing, another American who did the
electrical work and a Brazilian outfit that laid the paver stones.
The American plumbers screwed up several times, cutting a 2-inch return
feed

Just how many times can one screw up cutting a two inch PVC pipe?
from the filtration system and dumping several thousand gallons of water
into my gardens.

Your are so full of bullshit. Water seeks its own level, in case you
missed
that lesson in school. Unless the pump was running, to lose "thousands" of
gallons of water, the cut on the return line would have to have been far
below your gardens and ground level, which the return lines are not all
that
deep. You may get that lie past the winter bound Canadians, but not
another
pool owner. Thousands of gallons of water, for those of you that don't
have
pools, would be about a third of the water in the pool. Didn't happen,
Robert.
They allowed yard dirt to get into the lines

which would simply blow out into the pool and be filtered as the pool
cycled. Not big deal unless your are a clueless homeowner that can't clean
his own filter.
and have yet
to come back to fix a misconnected fitting in the spa.

Then they won't pass inspection, that is if there is a permit.
The American electrician couldn't figure out how to connect all three
pool
lights (they're on two separate transformers) to the pool automation system.
I had to diagram it for him before he could understand it.

Of couse you did.
He also failed
to run cables to the attic as agreed so that I can connect the pool
automation system to my ELK M1 Gold home automation controller.

As agreed or part of the contract. If you tried to get the laborer to do
it
on the side, he probably didn't do it so that he wouldn't get in trouble
with his boss. You should have offered him more than a hamburger.
The Mexicans did an excellent job though they left one small rough spot
in
the bottom of the pool. In all fairness, even I didn't notice it until
after they had gone. They're coming back next week with a diver to
smooth
out that area.

More BS. That is not how they do it. And you didn't notice it through the
curing time? It wasn't until the water was back in the pool until you and/
or they noticed it? Riiighhttt!
The Brazilian outfit did a magnificent job

Now why doesn't this suprise me?

on the pavers. They carefully
cut each stone to make an exact fit against the complex curves of the
bull
nose edging surrounding the pool. Every brick is perfectly smooth
against
the next -- no high spots in over 2,200 square feet of pavers.

As a consumer, why would anyone expect any less, regardless if the workers
were Brazilian, Chinese, Russian or American? Now if you went for "cheap"
then I can understand why you are suprised you actually got a good job.
In my experience about 90% of all electricians do decent to excellent
work.

You have experience with "all" electricians?
I guess it's about 70% of alarm installers. The rest are, well...
monkeys.

So, you have gone from "primates" that you so often defended your comment
on
the basis that people didn't understand that we are all primates, to
"monkeys". Time will always bring out ones true colors.
However Robert, the project sounds wonderful. Since you are such a camera
buff, why don't you post some pictures of the new pool area to include the
gardens. Oh, and while you are at it, why don't you include some pics of
the Elk panel so we can all see what a panel wired by an expert should
look
like. I am sure you didn't do the attic work so I hope the people you had
do
that were licensed and if they weren't then they worked directly for you,
so
I hope you supplied the required Workers Comp insurance. Click file
RLB/DBPR, save. And by the way, you should check to see if the GC pulled
permits to do the work because they don't seem to show up under your
address. Maybe just an oversight. :eek:] Need some help bumping this along,
thanks in advance!
 
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Bob Worthy

Jan 1, 1970
0
in message
Do you really believe that all the bad electrical work you run across was
done by illegal aliens? I've seen plenty of bad alarm installations done by
US citizens.

RLB = US citizen
RLB = One time alarm installer
RLB stands back and admires his work
RLB = Self proclaimed expert

hey hey hey, we have all heard about your installs
Interestingly, we just had our pool and lanai (Florida speak for "enclosed
patio") redone. The GC on the job used several different companies to do
the work. There was a Mexican team that did the new stone finish
an American group that did the plumbing, another American who did the
electrical work and a Brazilian outfit that laid the paver stones.
The American plumbers screwed up several times, cutting a 2-inch return
feed

Just how many times can one screw up cutting a two inch PVC pipe?
from the filtration system and dumping several thousand gallons of water
into my gardens.

Your are so full of bullshit. Water seeks its own level, in case you missed
that lesson in school. Unless the pump was running, to lose "thousands" of
gallons of water, the cut on the return line would have to have been far
below your gardens and ground level, which the return lines are not all that
deep. You may get that lie past the winter bound Canadians, but not another
pool owner. Thousands of gallons of water, for those of you that don't have
pools, would be about a third of the water in the pool. Didn't happen,
Robert.
They allowed yard dirt to get into the lines

which would simply blow out into the pool and be filtered as the pool
cycled. Not big deal unless your are a clueless homeowner that can't clean
his own filter.
and have yet
to come back to fix a misconnected fitting in the spa.

Then they won't pass inspection, that is if there is a permit.
The American electrician couldn't figure out how to connect all three pool
lights (they're on two separate transformers) to the pool automation system.
I had to diagram it for him before he could understand it.

Of couse you did.
He also failed
to run cables to the attic as agreed so that I can connect the pool
automation system to my ELK M1 Gold home automation controller.

As agreed or part of the contract. If you tried to get the laborer to do it
on the side, he probably didn't do it so that he wouldn't get in trouble
with his boss. You should have offered him more than a hamburger.
The Mexicans did an excellent job though they left one small rough spot in
the bottom of the pool. In all fairness, even I didn't notice it until
after they had gone. They're coming back next week with a diver to smooth
out that area.

More BS. That is not how they do it. And you didn't notice it through the
curing time? It wasn't until the water was back in the pool until you and/
or they noticed it? Riiighhttt!
The Brazilian outfit did a magnificent job

Now why doesn't this suprise me?

on the pavers. They carefully
cut each stone to make an exact fit against the complex curves of the bull
nose edging surrounding the pool. Every brick is perfectly smooth against
the next -- no high spots in over 2,200 square feet of pavers.

As a consumer, why would anyone expect any less, regardless if the workers
were Brazilian, Chinese, Russian or American? Now if you went for "cheap"
then I can understand why you are suprised you actually got a good job.
In my experience about 90% of all electricians do decent to excellent
work.

You have experience with "all" electricians?
I guess it's about 70% of alarm installers. The rest are, well...
monkeys.

So, you have gone from "primates" that you so often defended your comment on
the basis that people didn't understand that we are all primates, to
"monkeys". Time will always bring out ones true colors.
However Robert, the project sounds wonderful. Since you are such a camera
buff, why don't you post some pictures of the new pool area to include the
gardens. Oh, and while you are at it, why don't you include some pics of
the Elk panel so we can all see what a panel wired by an expert should look
like. I am sure you didn't do the attic work so I hope the people you had do
that were licensed and if they weren't then they worked directly for you, so
I hope you supplied the required Workers Comp insurance. Click file
RLB/DBPR, save. And by the way, you should check to see if the GC pulled
permits to do the work because they don't seem to show up under your
address. Maybe just an oversight. :eek:] Need some help bumping this along,
thanks in advance!
 
C

Crash Gordon

Jan 1, 1970
0
It's the big picture that's more important.


|> Because companies are hiring illegals
| > to "run wires from here to there"...not
| > learn a trade. In a few years there won't
| > be anyone qualified except a dying
| > bunch of old farts like us.
|
| Do you really believe that all the bad electrical work you run across was
| done by illegal aliens? I've seen plenty of bad alarm installations done
by
| US citizens.
|
| Interestingly, we just had our pool and lanai (Florida speak for "enclosed
| patio") redone. The GC on the job used several different companies to do
| the work. There was a Mexican team that did the new stone finish inside
the
| pool, an American group that did the plumbing, another American who did
the
| electrical work and a Brazilian outfit that laid the paver stones.
|
| The American plumbers screwed up several times, cutting a 2-inch return
feed
| from the filtration system and dumping several thousand gallons of water
| into my gardens. They allowed yard dirt to get into the lines and have
yet
| to come back to fix a misconnected fitting in the spa.
|
| The American electrician couldn't figure out how to connect all three pool
| lights (they're on two separate transformers) to the pool automation
system.
| I had to diagram it for him before he could understand it. He also failed
| to run cables to the attic as agreed so that I can connect the pool
| automation system to my ELK M1 Gold home automation controller.
|
| The Mexicans did an excellent job though they left one small rough spot in
| the bottom of the pool. In all fairness, even I didn't notice it until
| after they had gone. They're coming back next week with a diver to smooth
| out that area.
|
| The Brazilian outfit did a magnificent job on the pavers. They carefully
| cut each stone to make an exact fit against the complex curves of the bull
| nose edging surrounding the pool. Every brick is perfectly smooth against
| the next -- no high spots in over 2,200 square feet of pavers.
|
| In my experience about 90% of all electricians do decent to excellent
work.
| I guess it's about 70% of alarm installers. The rest are, well...
monkeys.
|
| --
|
| Regards,
| Robert L Bass
|
| =============================>
| Bass Home Electronics
| 4883 Fallcrest Circle
| Sarasota · Florida · 34233
| 941-866-1100 Sales & Tech Support
| http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
| =============================>
|
|
 
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Jim

Jan 1, 1970
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Doug said:
Since you freely admit to installing numerous MA3000's in a manner directly
conflicting with the code, that would put you in the monkey club.

Doug L

--

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!
 
R

Robert L Bass

Jan 1, 1970
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It's the big picture that's more important.

Agreed. I just don't agree that illegal aliens contribute much of the
pigment in the picture, especially when it comes to quality workmanship.
Many immigrants are as skilled as many American workers. Like so many other
things, there's no correlation between quality of work and country of
origin.

--

Regards,
Robert L Bass

=============================>
Bass Home Electronics
4883 Fallcrest Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34233
941-866-1100 Sales & Tech Support
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
=============================>
 
B

Bob Worthy

Jan 1, 1970
0
in message
Agreed. I just don't agree that illegal aliens contribute much of the
pigment in the picture, especially when it comes to quality workmanship.
Many immigrants are as skilled as many American workers. Like so many other
things, there's no correlation between quality of work and country of
origin.

Except when they are doing electrical work and come from a country that
barely has electricity. You obiviously haven't traveled much outside the
country to see what quality work, of all trades, there is out there. They
are good a furnishing bodies. When they need people, every brother, sister,
aunt, uncle and cousin are standing in line. They are willing to work and
work hard but don't try and sell everyone on their level of expertise. Many
never got past grade school before they had to go to work and next to nil
have had any type of formal training at all. What they have learned was OJT
and believe me, after visiting most areas in western hemisphere and all but
the middle and far east, in the rest of the world, I can tell you first
hand, they didn't have much to learn from. So...what other bASS ackward
opinions do you have for us?
 
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Crash Gordon

Jan 1, 1970
0
Welp if you've ever seen the electrical work down in Cabo, or anywhere down
there you wouldn't think that.


|> It's the big picture that's more important.
|
| Agreed. I just don't agree that illegal aliens contribute much of the
| pigment in the picture, especially when it comes to quality workmanship.
| Many immigrants are as skilled as many American workers. Like so many
other
| things, there's no correlation between quality of work and country of
| origin.
|
| --
|
| Regards,
| Robert L Bass
|
| =============================>
| Bass Home Electronics
| 4883 Fallcrest Circle
| Sarasota · Florida · 34233
| 941-866-1100 Sales & Tech Support
| http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
| =============================>
|
|
 
E

Everywhere Man

Jan 1, 1970
0
Hysterical post Bob. bAss will claim it was all a typo.

Bob said:
in message
Do you really believe that all the bad electrical work you run across was
done by illegal aliens? I've seen plenty of bad alarm installations done by
US citizens.

RLB = US citizen
RLB = One time alarm installer
RLB stands back and admires his work
RLB = Self proclaimed expert

hey hey hey, we have all heard about your installs
Interestingly, we just had our pool and lanai (Florida speak for "enclosed
patio") redone. The GC on the job used several different companies to do
the work. There was a Mexican team that did the new stone finish
an American group that did the plumbing, another American who did the
electrical work and a Brazilian outfit that laid the paver stones.
The American plumbers screwed up several times, cutting a 2-inch return
feed

Just how many times can one screw up cutting a two inch PVC pipe?
from the filtration system and dumping several thousand gallons of water
into my gardens.

Your are so full of bullshit. Water seeks its own level, in case you missed
that lesson in school. Unless the pump was running, to lose "thousands" of
gallons of water, the cut on the return line would have to have been far
below your gardens and ground level, which the return lines are not all that
deep. You may get that lie past the winter bound Canadians, but not another
pool owner. Thousands of gallons of water, for those of you that don't have
pools, would be about a third of the water in the pool. Didn't happen,
Robert.
They allowed yard dirt to get into the lines

which would simply blow out into the pool and be filtered as the pool
cycled. Not big deal unless your are a clueless homeowner that can't clean
his own filter.
and have yet
to come back to fix a misconnected fitting in the spa.

Then they won't pass inspection, that is if there is a permit.
The American electrician couldn't figure out how to connect all three pool
lights (they're on two separate transformers) to the pool automation system.
I had to diagram it for him before he could understand it.

Of couse you did.
He also failed
to run cables to the attic as agreed so that I can connect the pool
automation system to my ELK M1 Gold home automation controller.

As agreed or part of the contract. If you tried to get the laborer to do it
on the side, he probably didn't do it so that he wouldn't get in trouble
with his boss. You should have offered him more than a hamburger.
The Mexicans did an excellent job though they left one small rough spot in
the bottom of the pool. In all fairness, even I didn't notice it until
after they had gone. They're coming back next week with a diver to smooth
out that area.

More BS. That is not how they do it. And you didn't notice it through the
curing time? It wasn't until the water was back in the pool until you and/
or they noticed it? Riiighhttt!
The Brazilian outfit did a magnificent job

Now why doesn't this suprise me?

on the pavers. They carefully
cut each stone to make an exact fit against the complex curves of the bull
nose edging surrounding the pool. Every brick is perfectly smooth against
the next -- no high spots in over 2,200 square feet of pavers.

As a consumer, why would anyone expect any less, regardless if the workers
were Brazilian, Chinese, Russian or American? Now if you went for "cheap"
then I can understand why you are suprised you actually got a good job.
In my experience about 90% of all electricians do decent to excellent
work.

You have experience with "all" electricians?
I guess it's about 70% of alarm installers. The rest are, well...
monkeys.

So, you have gone from "primates" that you so often defended your comment on
the basis that people didn't understand that we are all primates, to
"monkeys". Time will always bring out ones true colors.
However Robert, the project sounds wonderful. Since you are such a camera
buff, why don't you post some pictures of the new pool area to include the
gardens. Oh, and while you are at it, why don't you include some pics of
the Elk panel so we can all see what a panel wired by an expert should look
like. I am sure you didn't do the attic work so I hope the people you had do
that were licensed and if they weren't then they worked directly for you, so
I hope you supplied the required Workers Comp insurance. Click file
RLB/DBPR, save. And by the way, you should check to see if the GC pulled
permits to do the work because they don't seem to show up under your
address. Maybe just an oversight. :eek:] Need some help bumping this along,
thanks in advance!
 
R

Robert L Bass

Jan 1, 1970
0
Welp if you've ever seen the electrical
work down in Cabo, or anywhere down
there you wouldn't think that.

I've seen electrical work done in Brazil. It was umm, interesting. Our
condo is on the fifth level (technically they call it the third floor) of a
cement building. There are no places to run new wires. We had a couple of
through-wall air conditioners installed this year. The electrician took out
a hammer and a star drill and proceeded to rout a channel in the wall for
his new conduit. I never saw someone strike such a perfectly straight line
with a star drill before.

One major difference is that building codes seem only to be enforced
retroactively. If you build it wrong no one says anything unless someone
gets hurt. Then they come after you. Another difference is grounding.
It's virtually nonexistent on structures older than ten years though most
new buildings have bonded ground systems.

Most structures are poured concrete or cement block. Needless to say, the
security system market is mostly wireless.

--

Regards,
Robert L Bass

=============================>
Bass Home Electronics
4883 Fallcrest Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34233
941-866-1100 Sales & Tech Support
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
=============================>
 
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Danny

Jan 1, 1970
0
Robert said:
Most structures are poured concrete or cement block. Needless to say, the
security system market is mostly wireless.

bet wireless works "real well" on concrete and rebar buildings. :)
 
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Karl Magnus

Jan 1, 1970
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Robert said:
Do you really believe that all the bad electrical work you run across was
done by illegal aliens? I've seen plenty of bad alarm installations done by
US citizens.

Interestingly, we just had our pool and lanai (Florida speak for "enclosed
patio") redone. The GC on the job used several different companies to do
the work. There was a Mexican team that did the new stone finish inside the
pool, an American group that did the plumbing, another American who did the
electrical work and a Brazilian outfit that laid the paver stones.

The American plumbers screwed up several times, cutting a 2-inch return feed
from the filtration system and dumping several thousand gallons of water
into my gardens. They allowed yard dirt to get into the lines and have yet
to come back to fix a misconnected fitting in the spa.

The American electrician couldn't figure out how to connect all three pool
lights (they're on two separate transformers) to the pool automation system.
I had to diagram it for him before he could understand it. He also failed
to run cables to the attic as agreed so that I can connect the pool
automation system to my ELK M1 Gold home automation controller.

The Mexicans did an excellent job though they left one small rough spot in
the bottom of the pool. In all fairness, even I didn't notice it until
after they had gone. They're coming back next week with a diver to smooth
out that area.

The Brazilian outfit did a magnificent job on the pavers. They carefully
cut each stone to make an exact fit against the complex curves of the bull
nose edging surrounding the pool. Every brick is perfectly smooth against
the next -- no high spots in over 2,200 square feet of pavers.

In my experience about 90% of all electricians do decent to excellent work.
I guess it's about 70% of alarm installers. The rest are, well... monkeys.


Oh Bass, you and your silly stories.
 
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Robert L Bass

Jan 1, 1970
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Most structures are poured concrete or cement block. Needless to say,
bet wireless works "real well" on concrete and rebar buildings. :)

Actually, it does. Rebar doesn't seem to create much of a barrier.

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Regards,
Robert L Bass

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