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  1. David Taylor

    David Taylor Guest

    Not quite. You're now quoting with ": >" compared to ": :" previously.
     
  2. Ivor Jones

    Ivor Jones Guest

    : > In alt.engineering.electrical Ivor Jones

    [snip]

    : > | But what is the objection..? I just don't get it.
    : > | I've been on Usenet for over 10 years and nobody has
    : > | *ever* complained about this before.
    : >
    : > The fact that you are DOUBLE indenting makes it appear
    : > that you have
    : > quoted ONLY the quoting of the previous poster. It
    : > doesn't matter if
    : > the indenting is ": >" or ": :" or even "> >". It is
    : > misleading.

    I put a space in, not a double indent. I have now modifed the system so it
    puts a single : instead of converting the previous quote mark to a : which
    it did before. So now you should be getting : > and not : :

    Regarding it appearing that I am quoting only the previous poster, I
    normally only do that anyway unless the thread dictates otherwise, but I
    don't see how it's misleading because I ensure I quote the names of the
    previous posters that I'm including, see the top of this message.

    Ivor
     
  3. Ivor Jones

    Ivor Jones Guest

    [snip]

    : > Well, there have been detailed intelligent postings of
    : > reasons to comply, and postings of general malignancy,
    : > and I have avoided at least 1/2 of all that so far. I
    : > see no reason to retract my plonk so far. I wonder how
    : > many other plonkers there are out there.

    Indeed.

    Ivor
     
  4. Ivor Jones

    Ivor Jones Guest

    : > In alt.engineering.electrical Ivor Jones
    : > |
    : > |
    : > | : > |
    : > | [snip]
    : > |
    : > | : > Can't say as it caused me any issues here except
    : > | : > the fact of ": :" putting it down to the second
    : > | : > level of quoting as if you had used "> >"
    : > |
    : > | Fixed. That *was* a misconfiguration ;-)
    : >
    : > What was fixed? The same issue still exists. It is
    : > NOT an issue of what the character is. It is an issue
    : > of DOUBLE indenting.

    No, that's a space, not another indent.

    If it were double indenting it would be :: or :> or whatever not : : or :

    Ivor
     
  5. Ivor Jones

    Ivor Jones Guest

    : > On 2008-03-09, Ivor Jones <>
    : > wrote:
    : >>
    : >>
    : >> : >>
    : >> [snip]
    : >>
    : >>: > Can't say as it caused me any issues here except the
    : >>: > fact of ": :" putting it down to the second level of
    : >>: > quoting as if you had used "> >"
    : >>
    : >> Fixed. That *was* a misconfiguration ;-)
    : >
    : > Not quite. You're now quoting with ": >" compared to
    : > ": :" previously.

    So what's the problem with that..?

    No, don't bother answering, I've had enough of this pointless argument.

    You don't like my quote style, tough. Don't read my posts. Simple, problem
    solved.

    Bye.

    Ivor
     
  6. David Taylor

    David Taylor Guest

    Quote with ":" if you like. Quote with ">" if you like. But don't
    quote with ": >" because that looks like two levels of quoting.
     
  7. Ian Smith

    Ian Smith Guest

    Can't the two of you continue this by email and stop wasting
    everyone else's bandwidth?

    regards, Ian
     
  8. CBFalconer

    CBFalconer Guest

    Piggybacking. It is topical here as long as you fail to observe
    the standard protocols.
     
  9. Guest

    |
    |
    | | : > In alt.engineering.electrical Ivor Jones
    |
    | [snip]
    |
    | : > | But what is the objection..? I just don't get it.
    | : > | I've been on Usenet for over 10 years and nobody has
    | : > | *ever* complained about this before.
    | : >
    | : > The fact that you are DOUBLE indenting makes it appear
    | : > that you have
    | : > quoted ONLY the quoting of the previous poster. It
    | : > doesn't matter if
    | : > the indenting is ": >" or ": :" or even "> >". It is
    | : > misleading.
    |
    | I put a space in, not a double indent. I have now modifed the system so it
    | puts a single : instead of converting the previous quote mark to a : which
    | it did before. So now you should be getting : > and not : :

    There is a ": > " in front of the text I wrote that you quoted. That is
    TWO characters of intending. It is NOT converting the previous quote mark
    because there was no previous quote mark from me, other than for the text
    I quoted which has a "| " in front.


    | Regarding it appearing that I am quoting only the previous poster, I
    | normally only do that anyway unless the thread dictates otherwise, but I
    | don't see how it's misleading because I ensure I quote the names of the
    | previous posters that I'm including, see the top of this message.

    It is misleading because it appears you are responding to someone else
    that responded to me, and that someone else used "> " and then you used
    an additional ": ". You should choose BETWEEN ": " and "> ", but not
    have both combined.
     
  10. CBFalconer

    CBFalconer Guest

    Piggybacking. It is topical here as long as you fail to observe
    the standard protocols.
     
  11. Guest

    |
    |
    | | : > In alt.engineering.electrical Ivor Jones
    | : > |
    | : > |
    | : > | | : > |
    | : > | [snip]
    | : > |
    | : > | : > Can't say as it caused me any issues here except
    | : > | : > the fact of ": :" putting it down to the second
    | : > | : > level of quoting as if you had used "> >"
    | : > |
    | : > | Fixed. That *was* a misconfiguration ;-)
    | : >
    | : > What was fixed? The same issue still exists. It is
    | : > NOT an issue of what the character is. It is an issue
    | : > of DOUBLE indenting.
    |
    | No, that's a space, not another indent.

    Who put the "> " on the text I wrote?
    Who put the ": " on that?

    You put them both. Maybe that was because your client put "> " first and
    then you added ": " by some other means. But it is still TWO and it is
    misleading.


    | If it were double indenting it would be :: or :> or whatever not : : or :
    | >

    It is ": > " (colon space right-angle-bracket space) and that is TWO indents.
     
  12. Guest

    |
    |
    | | : > On 2008-03-09, Ivor Jones <>
    | : > wrote:
    | : >>
    | : >>
    | : >> | : >>
    | : >> [snip]
    | : >>
    | : >>: > Can't say as it caused me any issues here except the
    | : >>: > fact of ": :" putting it down to the second level of
    | : >>: > quoting as if you had used "> >"
    | : >>
    | : >> Fixed. That *was* a misconfiguration ;-)
    | : >
    | : > Not quite. You're now quoting with ": >" compared to
    | : > ": :" previously.
    |
    | So what's the problem with that..?

    The problem is it looks like the text you are quoting was quoted by
    someone else before you.


    | No, don't bother answering, I've had enough of this pointless argument.

    Why are you trying to say you not doing that which you are doing?


    | You don't like my quote style, tough. Don't read my posts. Simple, problem
    | solved.

    That would be a simple solution. I bet some already have.

    What I am trying to do is get you to realize what it is you are doing.
    So far, your explanations DO NOT MATCH UP WITH what you actually ARE DOING.
    Maybe it is because you just don't see it for some reason. I don't know
    what the reason is. But I'm to keep on you until you at least understand
    that you are putting on TWO layers of indenting (first "> " and then after
    that ": " to the left of it).
     
  13. JosephKK

    JosephKK Guest

    I am not having any problem with your posts, Keith's, or Floyd's.

    A few irregular posters are producing posts that Agent does not seem
    to quote properly.
     
  14. JosephKK

    JosephKK Guest

    IIRC the RFC specifies that the quote marking character be in the
    first column. The rest of the line is then simple quoted unless the
    quoting level causes a word wrap. No big deal for me either way.
     
  15. Guest

    | On Sun, 9 Mar 2008 21:06:17 -0000, "Ivor Jones"
    |
    |>
    |>|>: > In article <>,
    |>
    |>: >> Nobody's forcing you to read my message. Which is
    |>: >> written in plain text, by the way. If you can't cope
    |>: >> with a simple : character in a bit of ASCII text,
    |>: >> tough.
    |>: >
    |>: > I think the only real issue is that ":" could appear
    |>: > naturally in a "plain text" email as it is a standard
    |>: > punctuation mark, ">" is far less likely though I
    |>: > suppose ": :" is unlikely too.
    |>
    |>But what is the objection..? I just don't get it. I've been on Usenet for
    |>over 10 years and nobody has *ever* complained about this before.
    |>
    |>Ivor
    |
    | I went poking through the RFC's including 3977, 2980, and 1036. None
    | of them specified a quoting character for Usenet. Can anyone find one
    | that does?

    I have never seen one. That would suggest any character is allowed. The
    first indenting I ever saw was with ">" either with or without a space.
    The space isn't required, either. It seems most use a space following the
    character they use, so it could be considered customary. But without the
    space there isn't any misleading indications; it's just a tad bit harder
    to read, but not much (and others may find it the other way around). What
    is a problem is when someone indents the text in such a way that it looks
    like it was indented then indented again. It looks like such a poster is
    quoting someone who quoted someone else when in fact they are just merely
    quoting someone. It doesn't matter what character they are choosing.
     
  16. CBFalconer

    CBFalconer Guest

    The following is a quote from 'son of RFC1036'.

    "The order of arrival of news articles at a particular host
    depends somewhat on transmission paths, and occasionally
    articles are lost for various reasons. When responding to a
    previous article, posters SHOULD not assume that all readers
    understand the exact context. It is common to quote some of
    the previous article to establish context. This SHOULD be
    done by prefacing each quoted line (even if it is empty)
    with the character ">". This will result in multiple levels
    of ">" when quoted context itself contains quoted context."
     
  17. Ivor Jones

    Ivor Jones Guest

    message
    [snip]

    : > Can't the two of you continue this by email and stop
    : > wasting everyone else's bandwidth?
    : >
    : > regards, Ian

    Well putting my pedant's hat on, you don't *have* to read it..!

    But in any case I am saying no more, I'm as tired of the argument as you
    are.


    Ivor
     
  18. Ivor Jones

    Ivor Jones Guest

    [snip]

    : There is a ": > " in front of the text I wrote that you
    : quoted. That is TWO characters of intending. It is NOT
    : converting the previous quote mark because there was no
    : previous quote mark from me, other than for the text
    : I quoted which has a "| " in front.

    Ah, *finally* I see it. I am using OE with the QuoteFix addon and both
    were inserting quotemarks, OE was inserting a > and Quotefix the : so yes
    there were two quotemarks.

    Hope this is ok now, many apologies to all for my obtuseness.

    Ivor
     
  19. Ivor Jones

    Ivor Jones Guest

    [snip]

    : Quote with ":" if you like. Quote with ">" if you like.
    : But don't quote with ": >" because that looks like two
    : levels of quoting.

    I've finally figured out what was wrong. I'm using OE with the Quotefix
    addon, both were adding quotemarks, I'd changed the one in Quotefix but
    forgot that OE itself inserted another one as well.

    It should be ok now, apologies for my obtuseness..!

    Ivor
     
  20. JosephKK

    JosephKK Guest

    A mere 10 years. I have been on Usenet since 1983. That is 25 years.
    It was 1978 when i got clued in to its existence. Shortly after i got
    my first email account.
     
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