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Joerg

Jan 1, 1970
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Jeff said:
This might help:
<http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/pics/hp-calc/hpcalc03.jpg>
The calculators from left to right are HP35, HP35S, HP16c, and HP41CX.
The 35s and the 16c are almost exactly the same width. The *average*
thickness is about the same. However, the HP35s is about an inch
longer. If you shove the 35s in your shirt pocket, without a
protective case, methinks the legends are going to wear off from the
keys.


Tear the sink apart. Make a huge mess in the kitchen. Then, ask her
if you can buy yourself a new calculator (implying that you're not
going to put her sink back together unless you get your new
calculator). That will either result in instant permission, or a
divorce. No warranty on my advice expressed or implied.

No, first the seams of the shirt pocket begin to fray. The HP11C looks
like the third one. IMHO the only real scientific "pocket" calculator.
 
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Joerg

Jan 1, 1970
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krw said:
Doesn't HP still use the keys with the color molded in (like
Model-M's)?


That's the way I generally justify new tools, but SFMBO would never
buy the calculator-sink connection. Now I just tell her that stuff
is a business expense. ;-)

My HP11C actually _is_ my wife's calculator.
 
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krw

Jan 1, 1970
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sci.electronics.design said:
I have the copy of xcalc that came with Slackware, and it looks
algebraic to me. It has an '=' button but no "enter".

Don't see any algebraic mode or an '=' button. Perhaps it's a
different "xcalc"? This is the one we're talking about:

http://www.tordivel.no/xcalc/
 
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Joerg

Jan 1, 1970
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krw said:
Don't see any algebraic mode or an '=' button. Perhaps it's a
different "xcalc"? This is the one we're talking about:

http://www.tordivel.no/xcalc/

Just tried it. Neat! It does weird things in the stack though but when
setting that to one line it seems to follow the 11C results. Wish it
could be set to display only four digits or so in ENG mode but you can't
have everything.
 
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Rich Grise

Jan 1, 1970
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Interesting. There would not be a "=" Button in a clean RPN solution.
Maybe the mode can be selected?

If it does, I haven't found one. It just looks like an ordinary 4-function
calculator.

Well, OK, it's got trig, logs & exponents, parentheses, x!, and so on.

It does have "STO", "RCL", "SUM", and "EXC" keys, but there's nothing RPN
about them.

And it has no menus at all - just the standard minimize, maximize, and close
buttons.

Cheers!
Rich
 
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Rich Grise

Jan 1, 1970
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[email protected] says...

Don't see any algebraic mode or an '=' button. Perhaps it's a different
"xcalc"? This is the one we're talking about:

http://www.tordivel.no/xcalc/

Yes - that's a different one. Mine is just the old calculator
that comes with Linux distributions. Actually, to cover my butt,
I did a search and found that one just a few minutes ago. :-0

Cheers!
Rich
 
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Jeff Liebermann

Jan 1, 1970
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No, first the seams of the shirt pocket begin to fray. The HP11C looks
like the third one. IMHO the only real scientific "pocket" calculator.

First remove from the shirt pocket the pocket protector full of pens,
the mess of crumpled receipts, and whatever else you've shoved into
the pocket. Then, the calculator will fit.

I couldn't find my HP11c. I think it's in my brief case which I
managed to leave at a customers. The HP16c in the photo is the same
exact size as the HP11c.
 
J

Joerg

Jan 1, 1970
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Jeff said:
First remove from the shirt pocket the pocket protector full of pens,
the mess of crumpled receipts, and whatever else you've shoved into
the pocket. Then, the calculator will fit.

You mean, also the candy and the chewing gum package?

I couldn't find my HP11c. I think it's in my brief case which I
managed to leave at a customers. The HP16c in the photo is the same
exact size as the HP11c.

But it's keys and display are still rotated 90 degrees ;-)
 
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Jeff Liebermann

Jan 1, 1970
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You mean, also the candy and the chewing gum package?

Yep. Those will also have to go. Too much sugar is bad for you.

There doesn't seem to be an official pocket protector dress code.
These are close:
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pocket_protector>
<http://www.ieee.org/web/aboutus/history_center/pocketprotector.html>
Hmmm... No screwdriver or tuning tool.

You can also make one yourself to accommodate a calculator:
<http://www.instructables.com/id/DIY-Pocket-Protector>

However, a calculator should really be worn on the belt, as in the
Batman utility belt:
<http://gocertify.com/B0006M1AMY/Batman_Begins_Utility_Belt.htm>
Note the Bill Hewlett did NOT wear a pocket protect when specifying
that the HP35 had to fit in his shirt pocket. I just played the HP
"Origins" DVD to be sure. Anyway, you might be able to find a belt
holster for your calculator, make one, or see if you can find a cell
phone belt holder that it fits.
But it's keys and display are still rotated 90 degrees ;-)

True. Unfortunately, the HP11c doesn't have a "landscape/portrait"
mode switch, which is standard on Windoze Mobile 2005 devices. Perhaps
the matrix rotation functions will also rotate the keys.
 
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Allan Herriman

Jan 1, 1970
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Yes - that's a different one. Mine is just the old calculator
that comes with Linux distributions. Actually, to cover my butt,
I did a search and found that one just a few minutes ago. :-0

Apparently Rich missed this comment I made earlier:

"Xcalc is a windows program, and is not to be confused with the (poor)
calculator that comes with X."

Regards,
Allan
 
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krw

Jan 1, 1970
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sci.electronics.design, [email protected]
says...
Just tried it. Neat! It does weird things in the stack though but when
setting that to one line it seems to follow the 11C results. Wish it
could be set to display only four digits or so in ENG mode but you can't
have everything.

Oh, but you can have that. ;-) Play with the string of numbers
after "FixN" label. They adjusts the precision.
 
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Joop

Jan 1, 1970
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Hello Folks,

Happened again. Bent over to solder something at a client, the trusty
HP11C slipped out the shirt pocket and hit the tile floor really hard.
This time the asterisk blinked and gave me a scare since you can't buy
these calculators anymore.

So, is there a good emulator for the HP11C? I found one here but it's
missing important stuff such as SCI and ENG display of entries and results:

http://www.hpcalc.org/hp48/pc/emulators/

I can find lots of HP48 emulators, usually free/shareware, but I got so
used to ye olde 11C.

BTW if someone else sees that asterisk in the lower left corner: It is
the low battery indicator and after a fall you may have to clean the
batteries, clean the contacts or adjust the contacts. Sometimes giving
the batteries a twirl fixes it.

I kinda like this one:
http://www.freewareppc.com/calculator/raysrpncalculator.shtml

It does not claim to be an HP-xyz model, but does support RPN,
engineering notation, 10 memory locations and visualises a 3 level
stack. I used the PocketPC version, but seems it is also available for
Windows.
The only thing I miss is HEX/DEC stuff, but I can start a different
calculator for that.

The buttons are big enough to run it with my fingernails.

Joop
 
J

Joerg

Jan 1, 1970
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Jeff said:
Yep. Those will also have to go. Too much sugar is bad for you.

There doesn't seem to be an official pocket protector dress code.
These are close:
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pocket_protector>
<http://www.ieee.org/web/aboutus/history_center/pocketprotector.html>
Hmmm... No screwdriver or tuning tool.

You can also make one yourself to accommodate a calculator:
<http://www.instructables.com/id/DIY-Pocket-Protector>

However, a calculator should really be worn on the belt, as in the
Batman utility belt:
<http://gocertify.com/B0006M1AMY/Batman_Begins_Utility_Belt.htm>


I always wondered why there never was a popular belt holster for
calculators. For cell phone you can buy them anywhere for around $10.

Note the Bill Hewlett did NOT wear a pocket protect when specifying
that the HP35 had to fit in his shirt pocket. I just played the HP
"Origins" DVD to be sure. Anyway, you might be able to find a belt
holster for your calculator, make one, or see if you can find a cell
phone belt holder that it fits.

Sounds like Andre Citroen's order before they went on to design the
Citroen 2CV: A farmer with wooden shoes must be able to barrel across a
rough dirt road with a dozen eggs on the back seat. Upon arrival none of
the eggs shall be damaged. Oh, and no worse than 50mpg or so. They did
it and this was in the late 30's!
 
J

Joerg

Jan 1, 1970
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Joop said:
I kinda like this one:
http://www.freewareppc.com/calculator/raysrpncalculator.shtml

It does not claim to be an HP-xyz model, but does support RPN,
engineering notation, 10 memory locations and visualises a 3 level
stack. I used the PocketPC version, but seems it is also available for
Windows.
The only thing I miss is HEX/DEC stuff, but I can start a different
calculator for that.

The buttons are big enough to run it with my fingernails.

Thanks, but I don't have a pocket PC. XCalc works though.
 
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Jeff Liebermann

Jan 1, 1970
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Joerg said:
Thanks, but I don't have a pocket PC. XCalc works though.

You need a Pocket PC. You haven't been miserable or in computer hell
until you've owned or used a Pocket PC. I have a Verizon XV6700:
<http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/xv6700/XV6700.htm>
The problem is that it has everything that anyone could want in a cell
phone and PDA. However, every feature and function has something
broken, buggy, or intentionally disabled by Verizon. (Details on
request).
<http://support.vzw.com/pdf/BT_Chart_PDAs.pdf>
The phone can be bludgeoned, patched, and hacked into submission, but
the effort is monumental.

I used to have several calculators loaded, but I only used them for
splitting the lunch/dinner tab. No clue what they were because my
latest adventure in trying to convince the internal GPS to belch
numbers resulted in a stuck message waiting indicator, which required
resetting everything:
<http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/xv6700/gps/gps01.jpg>

For all the things wrong with WM2005, I still like the idea of only
carrying one gadget that does everything, instead of a Batman utility
belt full with phone, calculator, PDA, MP3 player, flashlight, GPS,
etc.
 
J

Joerg

Jan 1, 1970
0
Jeff said:
You need a Pocket PC. You haven't been miserable or in computer hell
until you've owned or used a Pocket PC. I have a Verizon XV6700:
<http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/xv6700/XV6700.htm>
The problem is that it has everything that anyone could want in a cell
phone and PDA. However, every feature and function has something
broken, buggy, or intentionally disabled by Verizon. (Details on
request).
<http://support.vzw.com/pdf/BT_Chart_PDAs.pdf>
The phone can be bludgeoned, patched, and hacked into submission, but
the effort is monumental.

Plus I do not want to be bound to one carrier by a 1-2 year contract and
$40-50/mo. I have a very simple phone that costs me roughly $5/mo with
(so far) unlimited roll-over.

I used to have several calculators loaded, but I only used them for
splitting the lunch/dinner tab. No clue what they were because my
latest adventure in trying to convince the internal GPS to belch
numbers resulted in a stuck message waiting indicator, which required
resetting everything:
<http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/xv6700/gps/gps01.jpg>

My very basic Nokia 2115i does have a calculator. Only simple math and
no RPN though.

For all the things wrong with WM2005, I still like the idea of only
carrying one gadget that does everything, instead of a Batman utility
belt full with phone, calculator, PDA, MP3 player, flashlight, GPS,
etc.

Me, too. However, I have accepted the fact that in reality such devices
don't exist. Over 15 years ago I had a Wang 8086 laptop. Did everything
I wanted to do while traveling, writing module specs, database, CAD and
so on. Lasted forever on a battery charge. Why on earth nobody pours
that into an ASIC, I don't know. Guess bloatware stopped that and most
people think they really need all this bloat.
 
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Joel Koltner

Jan 1, 1970
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Jeff Liebermann said:
You need a Pocket PC. You haven't been miserable or in computer hell
until you've owned or used a Pocket PC. I have a Verizon XV6700:

I had the Sprint version of that phone for nearly two years; sold it a few
months ago. I agree with your assessment... tons of potential, somewhat
hampered by somewhat buggy software. I very much *liked* the phone, I could
just never *love* it. (I'm told the reason that CrackberXXX, I mean,
Blackberries are so popular with business people is due to the fact that
they Just Work. Nowhere near the software selection that Windows Mobile or
Palm has, but what there is is supposedly pretty rock solid, which obviously
counts for a lot if you're a not-particularly-techno-geeky businessman.)
For all the things wrong with WM2005, I still like the idea of only
carrying one gadget that does everything, instead of a Batman utility
belt full with phone, calculator, PDA, MP3 player, flashlight, GPS,
etc.

I like the idea, but I'm not convinced it's particularly practical. At
least for me, a calculator needs a "real" (not on-screen) keyboard for me to
be productive, and for a lot of text enter, there's still nothing faster
than a "real" keyboard. That being said, I no longer have a separate MP3
player now that 16GB memory cards are reasonably priced! :)

I have an HTC Touch now and don't miss the 6700's little slide-out keyboard.
Windows Mobile 6 has some decent improvements as well, including better
compatibility with older programs. Push-mail finally works reasonably well,
which is cool.

---Joel
 

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