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How to Use 2 Telephone HANDSETS as Intercom?

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  1. Guest

    I understand how to use 2 telephones (USA) with 9v battery and
    resistor and possibly .47mfd cap across resistor to make 2 station
    intercom
    BUT
    How do you use two HANDSETS(USA modern not old carbon type) to make an
    intercom? I cannot get into the handsets to see if earphone and the
    mic are connected to anything such as a diode. I have a red & green
    lead that I believe is earphone and a yellow (+) and black leads is
    mic. I have tried experimently to connect them as if they were phones
    and failed. I don't need much (gain/amplificarion if any) they will be
    connected across 5 feet of wire.

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  2. You need to amplify the signals from the mics and feed it to the
    earphones. But the sound from each mic needs to be fed to both earphones,
    because you need to hear yourself as well as the other person in your
    earphone. The sound which reaches your ear becomes very confusing if you
    do not hear your own voice as well as the other person.

    You can use a transformer to mix all input signals and create the sum of
    all signals for all the outputs. Use separate windings for each input and
    each output. The mic signals need to be amplified before the mixing in
    the transformer, and maybe amplification for the output signals too.

    I think there is an even simpler solution, mix all input (mic) signals
    using an op-amp, and connect all earphones to the output of the op-amp.
     
  3. Dmitri

    Dmitri Guest

    I understand that you are into tinkering with stuff, etc (after all, this
    entire newsgroup is about that;-)) , but a phone set actually has couple
    important features, such as echo and feedback cancellation as well as
    amplification, that aren't too easy to implement using just discrete
    electronics. On the other hand, a brand new analog phone can be had in
    Wall Mart for maybe $7 to $10, and I cannot think of eBay not being able
    to offer the two that you need for maybe $10 or less. Maybe you may want
    to skip this basic part and instead concentrate on the actual application
    you need the intercom for? Or am I violating tinkering spirit of a member
    of this group by suggesting leaving some things to Wall Mart? ;-)

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  4. Joel Kolstad

    Joel Kolstad Guest

    ^^^^
    As far as I can tell, there are a lot of cell phones out there that don't
    provide this 'sidetone,' and people don't seem to get too confused using
    them.

    ---Joel
     
  5. Yes, I realize now that you are right about that.

    That is the reason why inexperienced cell phone users often shout into
    the phone.

    The old telephone system had this sidetone, for reasons which were judged
    to be important. You could hear your own voice, so you could adjust the
    volume of your voice through feedback.

    Okay, it is up to the constructor to decide if he thinks the sidetone is
    important or not. I explained two ways to realize it, in any case, so he
    knows how to do it if he wants it.
     
  6. Guest

    IF I do without the "sidetone"(mic voice reproduced in earphone of
    same handset) what do I have to do AT A MINIMUM to make 2 handsets
    into "intercom" ?
     
  7. If you use one op-amp you can have sidetone for no extra cost.

    Mix the two mic signals on the input of the op-amp, send the output to
    the earphones.


    Separating the signals so you get no sidetone will cost more components.
    You will need two amplifiers (op-amps) then.

    The mics you have there are probably electret mics, which need a power
    supply to work, but you can hopefully fix that from the same battery
    which drives the opamp. Use a battery instead of a power supply, it will
    reduce noise and hum problems and make the circuit portable.

    Look up a standard op-amp circuit called audio mixer.

    So the minimum is one op-amp and a few resistors and capacitors, and a
    battery.

    But a quad op-amp in one capsule is just as cheap as a single op-amp, so
    I would recommend to use one op-amp for each mic as mic amplifier, one
    op-amp as audio mixer, and the last op-amp as loudspeaker amp, in case
    you will need it in the future.

    Look up electret mics power circuits, study the mics you have and find
    out how they need to be supplied with power.

    Or describe the equipment you have in detail, and hope for somebody to
    give you a readymade circuit schematic. :)

    Don't you have any specifications on these headsets, what does it say,
    technical details like impedances, mic power supply, connectors details,
    etc..
     
  8. Guest

    THANKS TO ALL
     
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