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[email protected] wrote:
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|> | Chuck wrote:
|> |>
|> |> > The best reference I have found seems to be NEC article 310.16 regarding the
|> |> > ampacity of wire. There are charts and footnotes indicating that one must
|> |> > derate bundled cables. One reference is to THHN wire with a 90 degree
|> |> > Celsius rating showing that bundled cable with 10 to 20 current-carrying
|> |> > conductors should be derated at the rate of 50%. The chart shows these
|> |> > conductors carrying capability to be 30Amps, thus when bundled in a group
|> |> > between 10 to 20 current carrying conductors the circuits should be derated
|> |> > to 15Amps. This is for 12/2 wire. The derating factors are 80% for 4 to 6
|> |> > conductors and 70% for 7 to 9.
|> |> >
|> |> > So, I'm going to run with that. Thanks.
|> |> >
|> |> >
|> |>
|> |> That will certainly be conservative. If
|> |> I'm not mistaken, the Code includes an
|> |> exception to the effect that derating
|> |> factors shall not apply to conductors in
|> |> nipples having a length not exceeding 24
|> |> in. Seems difficult to understand why a
|> |> 1.5" wood stud requires derating but a
|> |> 24" nipple does not.
|> |
|> | That's a good point. I don't think the derating factors apply in this
|> | case.
|>
|> I suspect that it is considered that the extra heating of the bundle is
|> able to reasonably dissipate if that heating is only for a short length.
|> That level of heat can be handled better with a metal nipple up to some
|> length, and in the wood up to some shorter length. The case of a bundle
|> of great length would have no opportunity to have extra dissipation by
|> means of the spread of wires out either end. These are not huge levels
|> of heat, but enough to warrant adjustment to make sure all the other
|> extra margins of safety are maintained.
|
| The idea here is that heat can travel along the length of the conductor
| for some distance before being conducted through the insulation to the
| environment without incurring too high a temperature gain. Copper (and
| aluminum) conduct heat quite well with a small temp rise.
Yes, that is what I meant for "a short length". But why a shorter length
for in wood than for in metal nipple? I suspect this is because the metal
contributes to the ability to dissipate the heat (in all directions) more
than wood can. And if things get way too radically hot, it will take a
higher temperature to impact the metal than the wood (though at this point
I don't think the different really matters much, anymore).