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Yoyo

Jan 1, 1970
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What happens when you can get as many solarpanels and grid-inverters you
want for free?? Well... not very much I guess.

Here in some parts of the Netherlands, the government and some
power-companies will 'refund' your money 100% when you decide to buy
solarpanels. No matter how many panels you want, 4 or 40 or 400, as long as
you can install them on your own house and connect them to the grid.

I would have thought that everybody would go crazy, but it seems that a lot
of people still hesitate. "Do I need a lot of batteries? Isn't it dangerous?
What happens when lightning strikes my house? etc."

How low do we have to go? ;-))

Bram
 
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kriegsman

Jan 1, 1970
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Ik wil dat wel. Hoe doe je dat?

M.vr.gr., Z. kriegsman
 
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JNJ

Jan 1, 1970
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If I could get that deal I would cover my entire place with them.
I cannot anykind of government aid/help/loan.

Same here. I checked -- there's nothing at all available to me here. :(

James
 
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kriegsman

Jan 1, 1970
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To my opinion the message is not correct.
In the Netherlands we get E 3.50 per Watt peak.
In some cases you can get 10% extra (when solar panels are advised in an
EPA, which is a kind of energy-savings check of your house).
Some power companies even give some extra money but this is limited to max.
600 Wpeak.
I would like to know where I can get the full refund. I would imediately by
10 kW.
 
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Yoyo

Jan 1, 1970
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Well, like Dirty Harry once said: "Opinions are like ***holes, everybody has
got one". :))
I think you are wrong, as a matter of fact, I'm sure you are.

Here goes:

Powercompany 'Eneco' who covers a lot of Holland, will give you an extra
1,50 euro per Wp. Apparently you don't understand the rules about the 600 Wp
limit: There's absolutely NO limitation to the amount of Wp you want to
buy, just like I stated earlier.
However, when you want to install more than 600 Wp, the electrical
connection must be made by a 'skilled engineer with an RIE-number'.
Obviously, this is to make sure the installation is connected safely
(separate fuse etc).

I installed more than 2 kWp about two months ago and I did get the refund.
Don't tell me it can't be done! Make sure your powercompany is Eneco, other
companies will pay less then 1,50 euro (e.g. NUON) or nothing at all
(Essent, Delta). I assume you want solarenergy for environmental reasons, so
if you have to pay a few hundred euros for a lot of panels because you have
a contract with another powercompany, that shouldn't be an issue. Would it?
You'd earn it back in no time.

Try these links if the URL I posted earlier wasn't clear:

http://www.solarnrg.nl/

http://www.dopt.com

Have fun with your 10 kW, you must have a *very* big roof...

PS: You can't 'just' get 10 kWp without installing them. You sign a paper
that says that all panels are installed on your OWN house and connected to
the grid!
 
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kriegsman

Jan 1, 1970
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Powercompany Eneco covers a lot of Holland that's true.
But most of Holland is covered by other power-companies.

Probably you are right that Eneco does not have a limitation to the maximum
Wp.
But some other power companies have.
On the site of Eneco is stated that you should be a customer of Eneco AND
have a grid-connection in the Eneco-area.
Since I don't live in that area, it's not possible for me to get the extra
refund. (I live in the Essent area).

However on the Eneco-site I can't find any information about the extra
refund.

You talk about a few Euro's which I could pay myself if I didn't get the
refund, but for 10kW it's still E 15.000,- !

About my roof: I have about 175 sq. metres available. Think it should be
enough for 10 kW.

I would like to discuss this directly per e-mail with you, because it's
maybe not that interesting for other readers.
But since your email adres is [email protected], I can't send a direct
message to you.
 
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TiePie

Jan 1, 1970
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hello huys,
please keep on posting in this newsgroup, because I think for a lot of people this is interesting stuff
especially in the eneco area.
I'm also planning to put a 2.5 kwp system on my house, but don't know yet where to start...
greetings
Ton Spijkenisse
 
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Yoyo

Jan 1, 1970
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Ok, if this discussion is interesting for others, let's keep it here.

I agree, if you live outside the Eneco-area you'll have to pay much more,
but 10 kWp is an extremely large installation for domestic use! It will
generate something like 8000 kWh per year. This kind of work will take more
than just adding an extra fuse ;-)

Now let's assume that you use 3000 kWh yourself per year, that means that
you will return 5000 kWh to the grid... I'm not sure but I heard that Essent
pays 20 cents/kWh that you generate (worth checking?), while Eneco does not
pay anything at this moment. Keep in mind that this is still an undefined
area, nobody can tell what powercompanies will pay for your solar-energy in
the near future. The EU wants powercompanies to buy 'green' electricity from
individuals, but when that kind of energy is cheaper in large quantities in
other countries (whose green energysources are sometimes a little less green
than the Dutch government wants them to be), they're not lining up to buy
the small amount of energy from your panels.

If you want the Eneco-bonus, you have to be an Eneco customer. Since I buy
my green power from another company (free market woohoo!), I did thorough
research on this. This is what I got in writing: "You are an Eneco-customer,
if you have a contract with us for electricity OR natural gas OR heat OR
cold (?) . The 'OR' is important here, you don't have to buy electricity
from them, if you buy gas it's ok. That is my situation and it worked.

Finding info on the Eneco-site is very difficult, it was there a couple of
months ago, but it's gone now. They do promote their own solar-panels, which
are way, way too expensive by the way!!! Look here for the Eneco-bonus, not
an official site: http://www.zon-licht.nl/
If you're looking for other general solar-power info, this is a great site.

175 m2 roof should be sufficient for about 20 kWp ! Make sure that your
Essent energy-meter is able to run backwards, the newer digital versions
can't :-(
Also, when it does run backwards but your powercompany isn't willing to pay
you for the generated energy, your break-even point will change (in a
negative way).

Bottom line is: I bought an extra 16 panels this year and everything worked
out perfectly. It generates a lot of power (great weather in may/july) and I
received the exact amount of money I calculated. Solar-panels may still be
expensive (without the Eneco-bonus), but wait till next year. All
energy-bonusses will be much lower and the Dutch eco-tax is likely to be
increased. Think about that when you make your decission.
 
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Yoyo

Jan 1, 1970
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Yoyo

Jan 1, 1970
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Problem is, although you can choose your own powercompany for (e.g. green)
energy, refunds will be handled by the company that distributes energy in
your specific area. In your case: Essent. The fact that you buy your
electricity from for example Eneco, makes no difference. Bad news, I'm
afraid. A strange and unfair situation, but those are the rules. See
www.energiepremie.nl (Sorry Doug, only in Dutch ;-) ). The extra
Eneco-bonus can NOT be obtained outside their area. Just give 'em a (free)
call if you're still in doubt: 0800-0062.

If your energy-meter is able to run backwards, that's fine. I don't think
any power company has a problem with it. Some of these companies even
advertise with solarpanels and say that "you will use the energy you
generate and sometimes the meter will run backwards. This won't happen very
often, however".
Of course, this is true if you have something like 600 Wp, for a 10 kWp
system the meter should go nuts!

Bram
 
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TiePie

Jan 1, 1970
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He Guys,
Ok, I'm in the running for a 2.25 KWp system.
Did some math on the space at my roof.
The planning is:
place 15 ALEO 150 Wp panels in a 5(w) x 3(h) config for 5 groups of 3 panels.
this is 404 cm x 482 cm
each vertical group of 3 panels goes to a Philips PSI 500 inverter.

Does this sound a bit ok ?

Does someboby have experience with "gemetselde nokpannen" (sorry don't know the english words for this)
greetings
Ton Spijkenisse
 
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Mathieu Salimans

Jan 1, 1970
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Well, back to the Dutch situation (I also live in the Essent area).

This thread started with the statement that in the Netherlands it would be
possible to cover all of your south-side roofs (for me about 120 square
meters).

In a later statement there was a link to www.top50solar.nl but no precise
directions about the who and where...

So i am asking again; please tell us about the authorities and companies
involved.

Tje Salimans
 
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Yoyo

Jan 1, 1970
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Yep, we're a busy little country with our dikes en mills ;-)

On the other hand, I read that less than 0.1% of electricity is generated
with solarpanels in Holland. Countries like Denmark (no, this is not a Dutch
state ;-)) ) or Germany are doing much better.

Bram
 
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