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Discussion in 'Electronic Repair' started by Erich J. Schultheis, Jan 2, 2004.

  1. Guest

    ? No to what ? It doesn't matter how they get 8.7 gigs. The
    fact remains that if a movie uses the full 8.7 gigs it's usually
    (not always) because there are two complete copies of the
    movie on the disc.
    Dual layering is most often used to include two movie formats,
    therefore most movies can be copied without any quality loss.
     
  2. Franc Zabkar

    Franc Zabkar Guest

    I don't disagree with that. It's *how* you sell it that is at issue
    ....
    I don't disagree with that. It's *how* you profit from it that is at
    issue ...
    No, you should not be permitted to sell the same item for price A in
    market A and for price B in market B. Furthermore, the consumer should
    not be prevented from purchasing legal copies of your product from
    reseller B simply because the consumer resides in market A.


    - Franc Zabkar
     
  3. Justin

    Justin Guest

    Franc Zabkar wrote on [Mon, 05 Jan 2004 06:43:55 +1100]:
    So. Market forces shouldn't be involved at all? Or the fact that the
    group selling the product in Market A is not the same company as is
    selling it in Market B. And these companies price according to their
    markets.

    Or, is converting a movie to a different video format, and marketing
    that product locally expected to cost no money to the licensee?

    Nevermind translation if it's not a primary language region.

    And you can indeed buy the product from Market A and ship it to Market
    B, you just have to have the right equipment to view it. Just like with
    VHS beforehand. And the VHS multi platform hardware cost a lot more than
    a region free DVD player.

    Also, DVDs are different to most other media as there is the film in the
    theatre aspect to it. There are many cases where say, the USA DVD has
    been released before the movie has even hit the theatre in some
    countries.
     
  4. DarkMatter

    DarkMatter Guest

    If I want ten thou from you and only one thou from another customer,
    that is MY choice, and I have a right to price MY work at whatever
    price I want.

    If the buyer thinks it too high, the buyer should take a fucking
    hike!
     
  5. DarkMatter

    DarkMatter Guest

    ABSO-FUCKING-LUTELY wrong, boy! YOU do NOT dictate my price
    schedule.
    Too fucking bad, dipshit.
     
  6. Mark Spatny

    Mark Spatny Guest

    Not sure what post was more of a laugh, his or yours..
    Your analysis is all wrong. What you have to remember is that the movie
    studios make hundreds of movies each year, and most do not turn a profit
    for many, many years. The blockbuster successes like LOTR keep people
    employed while all the other films break even or generate red ink. You
    have to examine the buisiness as a whole, and think about how all the
    various profitable and not-profitable movies combine.

    Looking at the annual reports of the various studios will give a clearer
    picture.
    This is the part that proves you really don't know what you are talking
    about. The RIAA has nothing to do with movies. As long as you assume
    that it does, any other facts or analysis you try to represent will be
    suspect.
     
  7. Mark Spatny

    Mark Spatny Guest

    Jerry G., says...
    I work in this indutry, and depend on it to feed my family, and I do not
    feel the same way. I have no problem with people making backup copies of
    material they have purchased, so long as it is not shared with other
    people or sold. If a parent wants to make a copy of a DVD in case his
    kids break the original, there is nothing immoral about that.

    This is certainly within reasonable interpretation of copyright law, and
    a practice that I consider perfectly acceptable, and frankly, wise.
     
  8. no... if you purchase a painting from someone, you do have the right to
    resell it. BUT you do NOT have the right to make copy's and sell them.
    Same goes for books, movies and music. You can sell the original, but
    you can not copy it and sell it. There are laws to protect intellectual
    property, and these are different from copyright laws even though they
    do cross areas.
     
  9. I have seen some that have only one format on the disc, yet require dual
    layering to fit it all on the disc. These discs probably would cause
    some quality loss when copied to a single layer disc with lower capacity.
     
  10. I will agree with you here... If I produce a product, I can sell it for
    whatever I want. I might not sell any, but I can price it however I
    wish to. it is up to the purchaser to decide if they want to pay my
    price or not. However, most people wishing to sell a product will try
    to price it so that it does sell, but they don't have to.
     
  11. rstlne

    rstlne Guest

    Wrong.. the MPAA does movies and the RIAA does music. All good and well IF
    you leave it there..
    DVD = Media Format..
    Now since you can get a recordable DVD then it falls under the RIAA, why,
    cause you could record music on it..
    So go back to my origianal post.. A portion of all DVD cost will go back to
    the RIAA to stop piracy..
    Belive it if you will... I dont care, Email the RIAA and see where all of
    thir funding comes from..
     
  12. Guest

    With variable bit rate encoding you would be hard pressed to see the
    difference.
     
  13. TCS

    TCS Guest

    All DVD's are variable bit rate, so what was your point again?


    Unless you system is absolutely garbage, perhaps a window on a computer monitor
    or a 13" tv, halving the bitrate will most defineately produce a rather
    noticeable difference.
     
  14. Tim Auton

    Tim Auton Guest

    That depends on how you compress it. Using MPEG-4 instead of MPEG-2
    you can easily halve the bitrate with no noticeable loss of quality.


    Tim
     
  15. Mark Spatny

    Mark Spatny Guest

    rstlne,[email protected] says...

    It doesn't "fall under anything", except the DVD consortium.
    No thanks. I prefer to beleive the truth.
     
  16.  
  17. I believe that if you are using DVD to record AUDIO that the RIAA holds
    the rights for, then it would fall under the RIAA. Movies would fall
    under the MPAA. DVD recording in general would fall under neither one.
    The DVD consortium I believe is what sets the standards for DVD. I
    don't think they control what is recorded.
     
  18. Franc Zabkar

    Franc Zabkar Guest

    Of course market forces should be involved. My contention, and that of
    Australia's competition watchdog, is that region coding interferes
    with these market forces in such a way that the market is no longer
    free. The same applies to restrictions on the parallel importation of
    software and books.
    If you believe that there are genuine cost differences in producing
    products for two different markets, then build this cost into the
    price and let the consumer decide whether he wants to pay the higher
    price. Don't restrict his choices using artificial means.
    If you wish to package DVD titles with localised features, and recover
    your costs in doing so, then go right ahead. Just don't force me to
    buy a localised version if I'm happy with an alternative. I want real
    freedom of choice.
    VHS multiplatform hardware addresses *real* technical differences.
    OTOH, DVD region coding is software based and artificial. There is no
    real justification for the latter.
    Sorry, but I could care less for these discriminatory marketing
    practices.


    - Franc Zabkar
     
  19. Justin

    Justin Guest

    Franc Zabkar wrote on [Tue, 06 Jan 2004 16:03:31 +1100]:
    Actually, the region coding ruling was about lack of content as much as
    anything else. Price is comparable. I can get a DVD from ezydvd for
    about the same price as most places in the US

    So, the people in the originating area should carry the cost for
    importing into another?

    You have it.

    PAL/NTSC conversion is a real technical difference. Not all players can
    do the conversion.
    Discriminatory? Have you tried to distribute a movie? Do you know the
    costs involved? Often one area release helps pay the distribution to
    another. If the DVD were available locally then the theatre distribution
    would be hurt.

    Besides, it's up to the licensee as to when and how they release a
    product, not you.

    BTW, it's much more tedious going the other way. Finding a decent DVD
    player that will do good PAL->NTSC conversion, including Anamorphic PAL
    is hit or miss.... or expensive. Magnitudes of expensive.
     
  20. Mark Spatny

    Mark Spatny Guest

    Daniel L. Belton, says...
    The RIAA doesn't hold the rights to anything. It is merely a trade
    organization representing the interestes of the member major record
    lables and producers. The record labels own the rights to the recordings
    they distribute, and the song writers and composers hold the rights to
    the lyrics and music, respectively. This is why royalties are paid to
    song writers & composers through organizations like BMI, ASCAP, etc.
    When you want to license a piece of music or a song, you contact the
    appropriate rights holder, which is NEVER the RIAA.
    Exactly. They control the format, which is the only control in the
    system. Nobody "controls" the content. Control is an odd word in this
    context. Anyone is free to record any property they own own the rights
    to on DVD, without consulting with either the MPAA or RIAA.

    This is why the so called "screener ban" imposed by the MPAA was
    basically dismissed by courts, because the MPAA doesn't have the
    authority to tell producers and distributors when and how they can
    freely distribute the movies they created. The same goes for the RIAA.
     
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