Hot Price for Prototype PCB

[tigeryesh]

ONLY US65 include shipping (Lead time 5 days, FedEx need 2-3 business
days from China to North America)
MULTI-Designs ON A SIGNAL PANEL IS NOT ALLOWED
NO LIMIT ON THE NUMBER OF VIAS
MAXIMUM ONE INNER CUT PER BOARD
FREE STEP AND REPEAT SERVICE IS PROVIDE, SCORE LINES IS ALLOWED
Minimum hole size 20mil, minimum clearance 8mil.
1or 2 layers ,FR4 material 0.062",1oz copper.
Green solder mask, white silkscreen.
Total area of all boards combined less than 155inch sq. Maximum size
per board 10X14.5inch.
For example, If the area of your boards is 10 inch sq, US65 Gold
Phoenix will make 15pcs for you!.

Our website is http://ca.goldphoenixpcb.com
email:[email protected]

 

[Sam Goldwasser]

ONLY US65 include shipping (Lead time 5 days, FedEx need 2-3 business
days from China to North America)
MULTI-Designs ON A SIGNAL PANEL IS NOT ALLOWED

What difference does it make to you what's on the panel? If a 10 square
inch board of which I want 15 pieces totals the same number of holes as
5 board designs which I arrange on one panel that fits within your total
size and square inches requirements so your manufacturing costs
are identical, why make this restriction? The photoplotter doesn't take
any longer or use more material. I'm not asking for electrical tests.

I think I know the answer but I'd like to hear your response here in public.

NO LIMIT ON THE NUMBER OF VIAS
MAXIMUM ONE INNER CUT PER BOARD
FREE STEP AND REPEAT SERVICE IS PROVIDE, SCORE LINES IS ALLOWED
Minimum hole size 20mil, minimum clearance 8mil.
1or 2 layers ,FR4 material 0.062",1oz copper.

Plated through holes (vias)?

--- sam | Sci.Electronics.Repair FAQ Home Page: http://www.repairfaq.org/
Repair | Main Table of Contents: http://www.repairfaq.org/REPAIR/
+Lasers | Sam's Laser FAQ: http://www.repairfaq.org/sam/lasersam.htm
| Mirror Site Info: http://www.repairfaq.org/REPAIR/F_mirror.html

Important: The email address in this message header may no longer work. To
contact me, please use the feedback form on the S.E.R FAQ Web sites.

 

[mike diack]

What difference does it make to you what's on the panel? If a 10 square
inch board of which I want 15 pieces totals the same number of holes as
5 board designs which I arrange on one panel that fits within your total
size and square inches requirements so your manufacturing costs
are identical, why make this restriction? The photoplotter doesn't take
any longer or use more material. I'm not asking for electrical tests.

I think I know the answer but I'd like to hear your response here in public.

I emailed him with precisely this question, and was told that if there
was more than one design on the panel it would be an extra US$50, even
though I do my own guillotining. No explanation was forthcoming as to
why. Makes no sense to me either, But he *DOES* allow repeats of the
same design on the panel (which many of the fixed price US proto
houses do not). Think I'll stay with Aussie and Malaysia, where they
don't give a rats' what you put on the board as long as it fits on the
allowable size.
M

 

[budgie]

On Tue, 25 May 2004 04:13:40 GMT, [email protected] (mike diack) wrote:

(snip)

Think I'll stay with Aussie and Malaysia, where they
don't give a rats' what you put on the board as long as it fits on the
allowable size.

A couple of quick questions, Mike:

1. You happy with Custom/SilverCcts?
2. Who in aus do you use for proto stuff of the scale under discussion?

Tnx

 

[mike diack]

On Tue, 25 May 2004 04:13:40 GMT, [email protected] (mike diack) wrote:

(snip)

A couple of quick questions, Mike:

1. You happy with Custom/SilverCcts?

Curate's egg - good in parts
Good points :
They are damn fast
Their prices are hard to beat
Gary responds quickly to emails
They have a really snazzy payment system
Fedex for 8 bucks has to be the bargain of the century
Bad points:
Recently ordered 64 boards and got 59, no explanation
QC seems to be a bit variable - have had overetch AND underetch
Solderability can be a bit tragic with Ag plating - My SMD assembler
HATES it. Some of my boards use lots of shrink TSOP and worse and I
find myself rejecting a few boards. Now if they got hot air
levelling...

2. Who in aus do you use for proto stuff of the scale under discussion?

Have used BEC, IMP and Entech
IMP was superb, but it was a military project so cost was not an issue
- with 99% of my regular stuff, it IS an issue so they get passed
over.
I have often used BEC and the boards have been good, but they hit me
with $110 freight for a Kg or so of boards, and I haven't forgiven
them for that (yet).
I really liked Entech, especially their freight included pricing.

Bottom line - if it's a quick'n'dirty and not too fussy : Custom no
contest.
If it has to be good : Entech (or BEC)
Don't touch boardhouses that don't do Protel.

 

[budgie]

Curate's egg - good in parts
Good points :
They are damn fast
Their prices are hard to beat
Gary responds quickly to emails
They have a really snazzy payment system
Fedex for 8 bucks has to be the bargain of the century
Bad points:
Recently ordered 64 boards and got 59, no explanation
QC seems to be a bit variable - have had overetch AND underetch
Solderability can be a bit tragic with Ag plating - My SMD assembler
HATES it. Some of my boards use lots of shrink TSOP and worse and I
find myself rejecting a few boards. Now if they got hot air
levelling...

Interesting comparison with my one and only job through them. Ordered 32 and
received less. Gary's response was "small boards get sucked into the vacuum
system". Also a couple had gaps in tracks, and about ten had copper on the
topside (s/s boards mind you) in patterns that looked like rings of confidence
around drying pools. These actually conducted enough to short between socket
pins and had to be hand-removed.

Silver plating has caused me headaches in hand assembled prototypes, and frankly
at this point (while it may be "green") I don't consider it a positive.

Have used BEC, IMP and Entech
IMP was superb, but it was a military project so cost was not an issue
- with 99% of my regular stuff, it IS an issue so they get passed
over.
I have often used BEC and the boards have been good, but they hit me
with $110 freight for a Kg or so of boards, and I haven't forgiven
them for that (yet).
I really liked Entech, especially their freight included pricing.

My experiences with BEC have been variable to good, but I always get a price
confirmation before ordering. Have heard a couple of horror stories though.

Bottom line - if it's a quick'n'dirty and not too fussy : Custom no
contest.
If it has to be good : Entech (or BEC)

According to info just received, Futurlec have dropped their proto category and
the quality has returned to "usable". On my last try with them (which will
probably remain my LAST try of them) they were disorganised, lost boards and
eventually declined to finish the job. They are also painfully slow.

Jemal here in Perth now have a proto service that looks fairly affordable - not
much different from CustomPCB if you want SM and OV, and PTH on d/s boards.

Don't touch boardhouses that don't do Protel.

Wouldn't dream of it.

And on that score, a note to anyone using AutoTrax and contemplating CustomPCB.
Their converter does weird things - by their own admission - and I suggest
asking for a test printout for checking before prod commences.