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  1. zxcvbob

    zxcvbob Guest

    I almost bought a Honda EU2000i generator at the state fair 2 years ago
    (best price I'd seen) but I passed on it, mostly because I'd taken the
    bus to the fair and didn't want to wag the thing home on a bus.

    Anyway, I'm getting interested in them again, and might buy one after
    hurricane season is over and before winter (ice storm season) sets in.
    But nobody lists their prices online. Is that a Honda thing? What is
    the street price of a EU2000i -- ignoring the current Hurricane Ike
    situation. Know any good dealers?

    I also can't find any specs on expected engine life of the little
    Hondas. I know some of the really cheap 5000W generators are only rated
    about 500 hours, and you could burn that up in a month during an
    extended power outage.

    I also can't find any small 1800 rpm diesel generators that might be a
    contender. There /are/ small diesels (Yanmar and Chinese knockoffs) but
    they all operate at 3600 rpm, which should have most of the durability
    problems of 3600 rpm gasoline engines.

    Thanks,
    Bob
     
  2. Vaughn Simon

    Vaughn Simon Guest

    Yep, Honda does not allow Internet price advertising, so you need to call around
    and do your own shopping. As I recall, you can thank our current administration
    for allowing that particular consumer unfriendly behavior.

    Join the EU2000i Yahoo group
    http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/Honda_EU2000_Generators/
    and ask there where folks are buying lately. I have seen new EUs on e-bay, but
    I am not quite brave enough to send that kind of money to a blind account and
    get...what?

    I own one, they are great products. I bought mine here: http://www.sunelec.com/
    Give them a call and get a price. Let us know where you finally buy.


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  3. Vaughn Simon

    Vaughn Simon Guest

    I bought two 1000 watt Yamaha inverter generators for my employer (initially
    chose Yamaha because they were a bit cheaper & fit within my corporate credit
    card limit). They are wonderful jewels! Yamaha is every bit as good as Honda.

    Vaughn
     
  4. dpb

    dpb Guest

    Vaughn Simon wrote:
    ....
    ....
    And why should a company not be allowed to set whatever policies for
    their dealers/products they wish?

    Surely if this particular peccadillo of yours were particularly
    user-belligerent it would be self-defeating and correct itself...

    --
     
  5. AJH

    AJH Guest


    Can they be run in parallel?

    Z has given figures for Honda eu2000 life, I have had similar life for
    a Honda engined generic genset, do you think Yamaha will be as long
    lived?

    Has anyone any experience of running Yamaha inverter gensets on lpg?

    AJH
     
  6. starrin

    starrin Guest

    Have these guys send you a catalog, or visit one of their stores if
    you have one nearby
    www2.northerntool.com/generators.htm
    specs, etc will be in there

    The reason, to me, that you want a Honda generator is that you want
    the Honda engine. I have one of their Honda-powered Northstar
    generators and it has proven reliable since 2000. Have run it for 8
    days during Isabel with a tree on the house. Just used it when a tree
    felled by remains of a storm took out power, phone, cable.
    No problems, ever.
    YMMV
    starrin
     
  7. http://www.google.com/products?q=+Honda+EU2000i+&btnG=Search+Products&hl=en

    No prices? Plenty listed on a google product search.

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    Christopher A. Young
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    ..


    I almost bought a Honda EU2000i generator at the state fair 2 years ago
    (best price I'd seen) but I passed on it, mostly because I'd taken the
    bus to the fair and didn't want to wag the thing home on a bus.

    Anyway, I'm getting interested in them again, and might buy one after
    hurricane season is over and before winter (ice storm season) sets in.
    But nobody lists their prices online. Is that a Honda thing? What is
    the street price of a EU2000i -- ignoring the current Hurricane Ike
    situation. Know any good dealers?

    I also can't find any specs on expected engine life of the little
    Hondas. I know some of the really cheap 5000W generators are only rated
    about 500 hours, and you could burn that up in a month during an
    extended power outage.

    I also can't find any small 1800 rpm diesel generators that might be a
    contender. There /are/ small diesels (Yanmar and Chinese knockoffs) but
    they all operate at 3600 rpm, which should have most of the durability
    problems of 3600 rpm gasoline engines.

    Thanks,
    Bob
     
  8. the one place that listed a price on Google search was about a thousand
    dollars. I can get several ETQ brand generators for that money.

    --
    Christopher A. Young
    Learn more about Jesus
    www.lds.org
    ..


    Yep, Honda does not allow Internet price advertising, so you need to call
    around
    and do your own shopping. As I recall, you can thank our current
    administration
    for allowing that particular consumer unfriendly behavior.
     
  9. Tony Hwang

    Tony Hwang Guest

    Hi,
    I live in COLD climate. One thing about Honda, it is very easy to start
    even in VERY cold weather. I never heard Honda engine dying after 500
    hours of use. When I had camping trailer, I had small one which did it's
    job beyond satisfaction.
     
  10. The (below) link does show some parallel kits. Also lighting kit, and tri
    fuel so you can run LPG.

    http://www.google.com/products?q=+Honda+EU2000i+&btnG=Search+Products&hl=en

    --
    Christopher A. Young
    Learn more about Jesus
    www.lds.org
    ..




    Can they be run in parallel?

    Z has given figures for Honda eu2000 life, I have had similar life for
    a Honda engined generic genset, do you think Yamaha will be as long
    lived?

    Has anyone any experience of running Yamaha inverter gensets on lpg?

    AJH
     
  11. Tony Hwang

    Tony Hwang Guest

    Hi,
    There are many dompanies doing that. Not only Honda.
     
  12. Vaughn Simon

    Vaughn Simon Guest

    Apples and oranges. I could have bought several tents for the price of my
    home.

    Vaughn
     
  13. Vaughn Simon

    Vaughn Simon Guest

    I have no direct experience, but this company
    http://www.yamaha-propane-natural-gas-generators.com/ claims to be
    factory-authorized to sell new/warrantied Yamaha generators pre-converted to LPG
    or tri-fuel. They also sell kits.

    Vaughn
     
  14. It is obnoxious to find honda stuff online, as they seem to not want their
    dealers to sell outside their territory. For just plain engines, I like a
    place called Helmuth Repair. They don't pull shipping price scams either.

    What's better about the yamaha generators? Are these the ones with a blue
    housing?
     
  15. zxcvbob

    zxcvbob Guest


    That tri-fuel model looks very interesting. I also like that it is
    surge-rated to 6000W. It's heavier than I wanted... I'll have to think
    about it. Thanks.

    Bob
     
  16. zxcvbob

    zxcvbob Guest


    I want to be able to run my furnace blower, gas oven ignitors,
    refrigerator, TV, laptop computer, and a few fluorescent lights during
    an extended power outage during the winter. Or during the summer, the
    same thing except a 8000 BTU (11 EER) window A/C instead of the furnace.
    I also have a couple of freezers that might need to be plugged in a
    couple of hours each day, but I could unplug the fridge when I do that.
    I think I could get by OK with a generator rated for 110V 1600W
    continuous power. I could certainly get by with it a lot better than I
    could with no generator at all.

    The Honda is also a nice size to throw in the back of a truck to take to
    a job site to run 110V power tools, like various electric saws or lighting.

    I keep putting off buying a generator because the power here in town is
    so reliable. But my parents down in East Texas near Houston have been
    living off a cheap 5000W generator for a week now and it's scary how
    fast it burns up the gasoline they had stored. One gas station just
    opened up for business again a couple of days ago (all the other
    stations are still closed because they don't have power) and you have to
    wait for hours in line at the one Exxon station and hope they don't run
    out before you get to the front of the line. We don't get hurricanes up
    here, but we do get tornadoes and ice storms (usually not at the same time)

    That's why the tri-fuel conversion looks mighty good.

    Bob
     
  17. Vaughn Simon

    Vaughn Simon Guest

    If you expect that the EU will normally be loaded above 1000 watts, you will
    get little benefit from the inverter technology. The really great thing about
    the inverter units is that they modulate engine speed depending on load. Over
    about 60% load (the EU 2000 is really only rated at 1600 watts) your EU will be
    reving like any other generator, and you will have given up most of the reason
    for all of that extra electronics, co$t, and complexity.
    You are thinking about load management...good!

    True, but be sure to chain the thing down!
    Yes. I live in hurricane country, and the above is why my generator runs on
    natural gas with propane as a backup. Few folks think about the fuel
    consumption of their generators. I have seen people buy generators and not even
    bother to buy a gas can! At 1 gallon ($4.00) per hour, nearly $100/day (IF you
    can find the gas at all), I am sure that there are many folks in Texas today who
    would gladly pay MSRP for something like an EU2000i.

    Vaughn
     
  18. zxcvbob

    zxcvbob Guest


    The refrigerator doesn't run all the time, it cycles on/off. And I
    /might/ not have to run the A/C. Even running a few hundred fewer RPM's
    for half the runtime has got to be easier on the engine. I expect it
    will be running less than 1000W most of the time, but I wonder if it has
    enough surge capacity (The Yamaha 2400 is an honest 2000W inverter and
    it's rated 6000W for 3 seconds. I like that. It also weighs a lot
    more; not sure if it can be shipped UPS Ground.)

    I need to wait another couple of weeks for Texas to be powered-up again,
    then start calling the generator dealers. Especially the ones in
    Wisconsin because it's not so far/expensive to ship from there.

    Bob
     
  19. m II

    m II Guest


    That 15000 hours is more likely with a slow diesel or a water cooled gas
    engine. I'd venture to say the Honda is more realistically rated at 2 to
    3 thousand hours maximum, as compared to Briggs and Stratton's 500 hundred.




    mike
     
  20. Vaughn Simon

    Vaughn Simon Guest

    For what it is worth, I did some tests with a little 1000 watt Yamaha
    inverter generator. It ran my big 'fridge with a few hundred watts left over
    for computers and things. (In the defrost cycle however, it had to run full
    blast with everything else disconnected.) I forget the exact results, but it
    would run a normal refrigerator forever on a single gallon of gas. With that
    unit, you could keep your food cold keep a few lights on & run your TV for the
    evening on one gallon per day. It was so quiet that your neighbors would not
    even know you had a generator. Amazing.

    Vaughn
     
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