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  1. Guest

    There is an alarm system from ranger american that was installed in my
    home by the previous owners and there are a few windows that do not
    seem to arm when open or close. All the other windows work. The
    hardware looks still intact on each window. The contact points appear
    to line up when the windows are closed. Any suggestions on repair??
    other than calling a technician. thanks
     
  2. ... there are a few windows that do not
    There are several possible causes to investigate.


    1. Ranger American does a lot of tract homes in southern Florida. If your home is in this area, lightning is one common problem.
    It can freeze magnetic sensors (contacts) closed or open. Mostly they stay open though I've seen it both ways.

    2. There could also be a break in the wire somewhere.

    3. The panel or a zone expansion device could have failed though this is less common.

    The panel is the easiest thing to eliminate so check it first. Pull one of the working zones off the panel and read its resistance.
    If it's less than 10 Ohms the system is not using end of line resistors. If it's 1.0K, 2.0K or 2.2K Ohms (these are the most
    common), then EOL resistors are in use. Either way, restore the good zone's wiring now.

    If there are no EOLs short out the problem zone with a short wire. If the panel still doesn't show ready to arm, the panel is the
    problem. If it does, go on to the next step.

    If there are EOLs in use, short out the problem zone with an appropriate resistor and proceed as above.

    If the tech did a decent job there will be a service loop (extra wire) in th wall behind the magnetic contacts. You can pull them
    out and use a meter or continuity tester to see if the contacts themselves have failed. While bringing a magnet close to the sensor
    check the resistance between the leads. If nothing changes the sensor needs replacement. They're cheap -- typically between $2 and
    $4 apiece retail.

    If the sensors are all working, temporarily short them out and see if the panel will arm. If so, the problem is a broken wire.
    You'll have to trace and repair it or run a new wire.

    --

    Regards,
    Robert L Bass

    =============================>
    Bass Home Electronics
    941-866-1100
    4883 Fallcrest Circle
    Sarasota · Florida · 34233
    http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
    =============================>
     
  3. Crash Gordon

    Crash Gordon Guest

    Ranger American uses the cheapest wire I've ever seen...if you look at it
    the wrong way it breaks...cheap cheap cheap krap.


    |> ... there are a few windows that do not
    | > seem to arm when open or close...
    |
    | There are several possible causes to investigate.
    |
    |
    | 1. Ranger American does a lot of tract homes in southern Florida. If your
    home is in this area, lightning is one common problem.
    | It can freeze magnetic sensors (contacts) closed or open. Mostly they
    stay open though I've seen it both ways.
    |
    | 2. There could also be a break in the wire somewhere.
    |
    | 3. The panel or a zone expansion device could have failed though this is
    less common.
    |
    | The panel is the easiest thing to eliminate so check it first. Pull one
    of the working zones off the panel and read its resistance.
    | If it's less than 10 Ohms the system is not using end of line resistors.
    If it's 1.0K, 2.0K or 2.2K Ohms (these are the most
    | common), then EOL resistors are in use. Either way, restore the good
    zone's wiring now.
    |
    | If there are no EOLs short out the problem zone with a short wire. If the
    panel still doesn't show ready to arm, the panel is the
    | problem. If it does, go on to the next step.
    |
    | If there are EOLs in use, short out the problem zone with an appropriate
    resistor and proceed as above.
    |
    | If the tech did a decent job there will be a service loop (extra wire) in
    th wall behind the magnetic contacts. You can pull them
    | out and use a meter or continuity tester to see if the contacts themselves
    have failed. While bringing a magnet close to the sensor
    | check the resistance between the leads. If nothing changes the sensor
    needs replacement. They're cheap -- typically between $2 and
    | $4 apiece retail.
    |
    | If the sensors are all working, temporarily short them out and see if the
    panel will arm. If so, the problem is a broken wire.
    | You'll have to trace and repair it or run a new wire.
    |
    | --
    |
    | Regards,
    | Robert L Bass
    |
    | =============================>
    | Bass Home Electronics
    | 941-866-1100
    | 4883 Fallcrest Circle
    | Sarasota · Florida · 34233
    | http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
    | =============================>
    |
    |
     
  4. Ranger American uses the cheapest
    That may very well be so. I've seen a number of their installations while looking at homes under construction. I didn't check the
    wire itself but I noticed they use cheap even for large, custom homes. There's a 2 million dollar home off Clarke Rd not far from
    my place where they installed a Power632. There are about two dozen doors (including sliders, French doors, overheads and regular
    doors). They installed two motion detectors and three door contacts. There's a wimpy little siren in a closet -- no outside horn
    anywhere.

    --

    Regards,
    Robert L Bass

    =============================>
    Bass Home Electronics
    941-866-1100
    4883 Fallcrest Circle
    Sarasota · Florida · 34233
    http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
    =============================>
     
  5. FIRETEK

    FIRETEK Guest

    Did you ever consider that the homeowner may share in the responsibility for
    this installation? It's sort of what you get for accepting the lowest bid
    and not doing your homework/due diligence. Then they "whine" about the poor
    service, installation, and false alarms. Many so called "rich people" are
    the biggest tightwads. I guess that's why they're rich. :)


    looking at homes under construction. I didn't check the
    There's a 2 million dollar home off Clarke Rd not far from
    (including sliders, French doors, overheads and regular
    There's a wimpy little siren in a closet -- no outside horn
     
  6. Did you ever consider that the homeowner
    The homes I was referring to were being built on spec. No homeowner was involved in selecting anything. I looked for a new
    construction home when I first decided to move to Florida. Builders almost invariably select the lowest bidder. The homeowner
    doesn't even know who did the work until he buys the place.

    I found the same practice when looking for a larger home a couple of years ago. That the place I finally bought was prewired by
    some sub-contractor during construction but the original owner didn't sign up for service so they never finished the job. I'll have
    to run new wires to eight sliders facing onto the lanai since the "technician" didn't bother to wire them. The house has 3,800 sf
    under air plus 2,200 sf of lanai and a 3-car garage. All they wired for were three doors and a couple of motion detectors. Idiots!
    I wonder what would make someone "so-called" rich. I can afford whatever I need but I don't consider myself rich. I would never
    settle for a half-olsoned job like these people did though.

    --

    Regards,
    Robert L Bass

    =============================>
    Bass Home Electronics
    941-866-1100
    4883 Fallcrest Circle
    Sarasota · Florida · 34233
    http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
    =============================>
     
  7. Crash Gordon

    Crash Gordon Guest

    Yep. We see this a lot.

    A million dollar home that the contractor let the electrician wire because
    he was there with Cat5...no keypads, no power, no siren, just doors &
    windows...or worse than cat5; everything wired with duece...two conductor
    keypads and motions.

    Yep any old monkey can do it.



    |> Did you ever consider that the homeowner
    | > may share in the responsibility for this
    | > installation?
    |
    | The homes I was referring to were being built on spec. No homeowner was
    involved in selecting anything. I looked for a new
    | construction home when I first decided to move to Florida. Builders
    almost invariably select the lowest bidder. The homeowner
    | doesn't even know who did the work until he buys the place.
    |
    | I found the same practice when looking for a larger home a couple of years
    ago. That the place I finally bought was prewired by
    | some sub-contractor during construction but the original owner didn't sign
    up for service so they never finished the job. I'll have
    | to run new wires to eight sliders facing onto the lanai since the
    "technician" didn't bother to wire them. The house has 3,800 sf
    | under air plus 2,200 sf of lanai and a 3-car garage. All they wired for
    were three doors and a couple of motion detectors. Idiots!
    |
    | > Many so called "rich people" are
    |
    | I wonder what would make someone "so-called" rich. I can afford whatever
    I need but I don't consider myself rich. I would never
    | settle for a half-olsoned job like these people did though.
    |
    | --
    |
    | Regards,
    | Robert L Bass
    |
    | =============================>
    | Bass Home Electronics
    | 941-866-1100
    | 4883 Fallcrest Circle
    | Sarasota · Florida · 34233
    | http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
    | =============================>
    |
    |
     
  8. Jim

    Jim Guest

    Yeah, I love it when the keypads are prewired to boxes set at light
    switch heights and motion detectors are all looking at the windows. Two
    inch wire coming out of the hinge side of the door jams from a 1/4 inch
    hole. Wire coming out from behind the outer edge of the molding by the
    windows on the bottom only.

    Then the builder asks, how'd ya know the electrician did it?
     
  9. Crash Gordon

    Crash Gordon Guest

    Ranger American installs the keypads at switch height...really dumb when you
    install an LCD keypad...client has to get down on their knees to read the
    display. So it aint just the electricians..but yah..electricians should
    stick to pulling romex and leave the skinny wires to us:)

    I'm gonna have to start carrying my camera to job sites again...we should
    start a museum of alarm installation oddities.

    Like installing the panel in the back of a tiny hall closet, 7 feet high
    with the damn shelf hitting you in the face...idiots. Turns a half hour
    panel trim into 2 hours of backbreaking cursing.


    |
    | Crash Gordon wrote:
    | > Yep. We see this a lot.
    | >
    | > A million dollar home that the contractor let the electrician wire
    because
    | > he was there with Cat5...no keypads, no power, no siren, just doors &
    | > windows...or worse than cat5; everything wired with duece...two
    conductor
    | > keypads and motions.
    | >
    | > Yep any old monkey can do it.
    | >
    | >
    | Yeah, I love it when the keypads are prewired to boxes set at light
    | switch heights and motion detectors are all looking at the windows. Two
    | inch wire coming out of the hinge side of the door jams from a 1/4 inch
    | hole. Wire coming out from behind the outer edge of the molding by the
    | windows on the bottom only.
    |
    | Then the builder asks, how'd ya know the electrician did it?
    |
     
  10. Doug

    Doug Guest

    I once had an electrical inspector insist that a keypad/annunciator for a
    commercial fire alarm be installed at switch height, citing ADA
    requirements, the Fire Marshall insisted that it should be at 60" AFF.
    The electrical inspector claimed that since it was in effect a switch that
    controlled the operation of the fire alarm then it had to go at 48"AFF so
    that a person in a wheelchair could access it, the fire guy claimed it was
    for Fire Dept use and they didn't have any active fire fighters in
    wheelchairs. They went round and round for several minutes, with the end
    result that the FIre Dept got their way.

    Doug
     
  11. LOL!
    Clients think you're clairvoyant when they call complaining how the
    alarm has suddenly damaged their phone lines and you ask if the phone
    company was there recently.
    Or when the front door won't clear and you ask if the trouble started
    when the door was replaced.
    "Oh, how did you know?"
    It's the crystal ball, baby, it's the crystal ball.
     
  12. Doug

    Doug Guest

    Yes we just had the front door replaced but that shouldn't affect it, there
    is something wrong with your alarm, not my new door.

    Doug
     
  13. Crash Gordon

    Crash Gordon Guest

    I refused to fix a woman's system due to attic rats (real ones). They had
    chewed all the insulation off the alarm wires AND electric wires to the AC
    unit and a lot of other stuff. Plus there was 2 inches of rat shit
    everywhere. I told her she HAD to get an electrician there and a pest
    control guy first as that stuff was way more important. Also told her I
    wasn't gonna have my guys crawl around in the rat poop (this was back during
    the Hanta virus thing) so they needed to get that cleaned out too.

    A month later she calls and wants the alarm fixed...I go over there and it
    was same deal...nothing was done...so we left and never went back.


    | Yes we just had the front door replaced but that shouldn't affect it,
    there
    | is something wrong with your alarm, not my new door.
    |
    | Doug
    |
    | --
    |
    | |
    | > Clients think you're clairvoyant when they call complaining how the
    | > alarm has suddenly damaged their phone lines and you ask if the phone
    | > company was there recently.
    | > Or when the front door won't clear and you ask if the trouble started
    | > when the door was replaced.
    | > "Oh, how did you know?"
    | > It's the crystal ball, baby, it's the crystal ball.
    | >
    |
    |
     
  14. Ranger American installs the keypads
    They want the client to get used to that
    position in case he needs to call for
    service. :^)
    I've seen electricians do excellent alarm
    work and horrible alarm work. I've also
    seen excellent and horrible work done by
    alarm installers.
    Stevens used to have an online album
    of alarm installations that were totally
    jiminexed.
    I've seen that and I've also seen panels
    installed 2" above the floor in a hall
    closet full of shoes and God knows
    what crawling around.
    At least Jiminex would be happy. :^)

    --

    Regards,
    Robert L Bass

    =============================>
    Bass Home Electronics
    941-866-1100
    4883 Fallcrest Circle
    Sarasota · Florida · 34233
    http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
    =============================>
     
  15. Jim

    Jim Guest

    I donno about that being the worse thing that could happen.

    I'd rather that ...... than finding them alive. Or as a matter for
    fact, anything larger than a mouse alive ........

    Didja ever find a bee's nest in a siren box or an attic? I don't
    think anything will raise the hair on the back of your neck like
    hearing that HMMMMMMMMM, right next to your ear, when your up in an
    attic with a very tiny attic hatch behind you allllllll tthhhhe
    waaaaaaay at the other end of the attic.
     
  16. Crash Gordon

    Crash Gordon Guest

    They don't rot out here, they mummify...which is even scarier when you see
    them in the dark attic....rat mummies.


    | It is much better to reach into a dark attic or crawlspace and feel
    | something wet only to find you have put your hand into a bait tray full of
    | decaying rat carcasses. Stew just never looks the same after that.
    | | >I refused to fix a woman's system due to attic rats (real ones). They had
    | > chewed all the insulation off the alarm wires AND electric wires to the
    AC
    | > unit and a lot of other stuff. Plus there was 2 inches of rat shit
    | > everywhere. I told her she HAD to get an electrician there and a pest
    | > control guy first as that stuff was way more important. Also told her I
    | > wasn't gonna have my guys crawl around in the rat poop (this was back
    | > during
    | > the Hanta virus thing) so they needed to get that cleaned out too.
    | >
    | > A month later she calls and wants the alarm fixed...I go over there and
    it
    | > was same deal...nothing was done...so we left and never went back.
    | >
    | >
    | > | > | Yes we just had the front door replaced but that shouldn't affect it,
    | > there
    | > | is something wrong with your alarm, not my new door.
    | > |
    | > | Doug
    | > |
    | > | --
    | > |
    | > | | > |
    | > | > Clients think you're clairvoyant when they call complaining how the
    | > | > alarm has suddenly damaged their phone lines and you ask if the
    phone
    | > | > company was there recently.
    | > | > Or when the front door won't clear and you ask if the trouble
    started
    | > | > when the door was replaced.
    | > | > "Oh, how did you know?"
    | > | > It's the crystal ball, baby, it's the crystal ball.
    | > | >
    | > |
    | > |
    | >
    | >
    |
    |
     
  17. spike

    spike Guest

    I raised the ceiling tile in a country store on etime and stuck my head up
    and was face to face with a LARGE snake. Man I dropped off that ladder
    without hitting a step. By the time I got my courage back and looked up
    there the snake was long gone.
     
  18. Jim

    Jim Guest

    Courage back up ?

    My response would be ..... hey there, mister owner?

    Could you please remove that ceiling tile for me while I go out
    to the truck for a minute? As a matter of fact .... could you
    please remove all of them?
     
  19. I'd rather that ...... than finding them alive.
    Scary, huh Jimbo?
    Several times. That's what hornet spray is for.
    Almost as frightening as the thought of some
    competitor meeting you on the street, eh?
     
  20. It would be a surprise, wouldn't it? Oh wait - you're to fucking fat
    to get in an attic and your criminal record excludes you from getting
    a licence to actually visit a customer's premises. <---- did I use
    that correctly in context, fuckwit?>
    Do they make bASS spray? I think so - it's available here:
    http://preview.tinyurl.com/378ogm

    Ha! There are dozens of comperitors he meets everyday on the street
    I'm sure. You don't classify yourself as his competitor, do you?
     
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