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Roger Dewhurst

Jan 1, 1970
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larry moe 'n curly said:
Unfortunately I live in Phoenix, where the people in charge of our
libraries hate any books that aren't about pop psychology or idiot
sociology.

Perhaps you should move to Texas. I hear that they have bigger balls down
there.

R
 
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JeffM

Jan 1, 1970
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So I searched for an electronics course in my community.
Do you have public libraries there? Go to Dewey 621.384.
Rich Grise

You're being too specific.
621.384 is Radio (621.3848 is Radar).

621.3 is Electrical Stuff.
621.38 is Electronics.
621.39 is Digital Electronics.

(In the Library of Congress system,
Electrical Engineering and Electronics is under TK.)
 
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Pooh Bear

Jan 1, 1970
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Roger said:
Somebody has to do the design and manufacture. If it is all done in China,
or wherever, what will be exported to pay for the manufactured goods and/or
services? Countries cannot survive in the long term by simply taking in
their own washing. The average standard of living must depend solely on the
total value of goods and services produced.

You've just explained neatly why western economies are about to crash.

Now go explain it to the politicians !

Graham
 
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Pooh Bear

Jan 1, 1970
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Roger said:
In that case it will go the way that Britain is headed.

"When does the bubble burst? Britain's industry and agriculture are
diminishing by the day, service industries are being exported to India and
Kenya.

Kenya ? Is this some kind of joke ?
What will Britain export to pay for those things that were produced
in Britain? The jobs described in this article contribute nothing in goods
and services, they do however take people out of productive jobs and absorb
money that can only be paid for through the production of real goods and
services. Just how long can this Ponzi scheme carry on? Then of course
there is the immigration Ponzi scheme adding to Britain's long term
problems."

Margaret Thatcher started this idiocy when she dictated that Britain could exist
as a service economy only. Apparenly we are now 'post-industrial'.

Politicians shouldn't be allowed to run countries frankly. Especially one whose
idea of economics came from her father's corner shop ( Thatcher ).

Graham
 
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Roger Dewhurst

Jan 1, 1970
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Pooh Bear said:
Kenya ? Is this some kind of joke ?

No joke at all. Telephone a bank in Britain about your account and you are
likely to find yourself talking to some gentleman, with a limited command of
English, in Kenya or India. Some might think this is a joke. I do not
share that view.
Margaret Thatcher started this idiocy when she dictated that Britain could exist
as a service economy only. Apparenly we are now 'post-industrial'.

Possibly she started it but a string of idiots have carried on with it.
Politicians shouldn't be allowed to run countries frankly. Especially one whose
idea of economics came from her father's corner shop ( Thatcher ).

Do you have anarchy in mind or do you propose some other select group to run
the show?

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Roger Dewhurst

Jan 1, 1970
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Pooh Bear said:
You've just explained neatly why western economies are about to crash.

Now go explain it to the politicians !

By and large they are too thick to grasp the essentials, or, more probably,
desirous of getting their fingers in the till before the lid slams shut.

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Bill Gray

Jan 1, 1970
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Pooh said:
Roger Dewhurst wrote:




You've just explained neatly why western economies are about to crash.

Now go explain it to the politicians !

Graham

The voters talk with empty words. The manufacturers talk with cash
donations. Guess who gets listened to.

Bill,
Phoenix
 
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Rob B

Jan 1, 1970
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Pooh Bear said:
Kenya ? Is this some kind of joke ?

well i know from personal experience with software eng/development that when
india software sweat shops started becoming organized and high in demand
thus less economical, south africa was next great software sweat shop
migration/territory. There is apparently quite alot of technical skilled
workforce available. I suppose the fat cats will follow an exploitation
trail around the globe boosting the world economy at our own expense and
will eventually wind back into the US where the skilled work force will have
diminished greatly.

[snip]
 
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Rob B

Jan 1, 1970
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Roger Dewhurst said:
offered on

By and large they are too thick to grasp the essentials, or, more probably,
desirous of getting their fingers in the till before the lid slams shut.
they allready raided the till and have the escape plans to some low cost of
living country where they can retire like kings hire and armada of service
people and drone on about how they sucked the life out of a country.
 
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Bill Gray

Jan 1, 1970
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Roger said:
No joke at all. Telephone a bank in Britain about your account and you are
likely to find yourself talking to some gentleman, with a limited command of
English, in Kenya or India. Some might think this is a joke. I do not
share that view.




Possibly she started it but a string of idiots have carried on with it.




Do you have anarchy in mind or do you propose some other select group to run
the show?

R

How about no select group at all running the economy? Laissez-faire
created the UK and the USA and works every time it's allowed. Having a
government run an economy is like swimming with a lead weight around the
neck. Lead doesn't float, and governments can't create wealth.

Bill,
Phoenix
 
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Rob B

Jan 1, 1970
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Roger Dewhurst said:
Roger Dewhurst wrote:

message
It is becoming more difficult to find community college courses
in
electronics in most areas. These courses were typically
offered
for
"technicians" and this area of employment is shrinking.

In terminal decline would be more accurate.

Surely someone has design

Electical Engineers.

and repair electronic devices.

It's more a diagnose and replace activity now. It doesn't require a
lot
of training to do that.

People must get
some training somewhere. Industry, in a general sense, cannot
function
without technicians. Engineers may design things but technicians
are
necessary to build them and fix them when they go wrong.

As I said it's become a replacement activity.

Somebody has to do the design and manufacture. If it is all done in
China,
or wherever, what will be exported to pay for the manufactured goods
and/or
services? Countries cannot survive in the long term by simply taking
in
their own washing. The average standard of living must depend solely
on
the
total value of goods and services produced.

You've just explained neatly why western economies are about to crash.

Now go explain it to the politicians !

By and large they are too thick to grasp the essentials, or, more
probably,
desirous of getting their fingers in the till before the lid slams shut.

they allready raided the till and have the escape plans to some low
cost of
living country where they can retire like kings hire and armada of
service
people and drone on about how they sucked the life out of a country.
 
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larry moe 'n curly

Jan 1, 1970
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Roger said:
Perhaps you should move to Texas. I hear that they have bigger balls down
there.

Red states & learnin' don't seem to go together.
 
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Pooh Bear

Jan 1, 1970
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Rob said:
well i know from personal experience with software eng/development that when
india software sweat shops started becoming organized and high in demand
thus less economical, south africa was next great software sweat shop
migration/territory. There is apparently quite alot of technical skilled
workforce available. I suppose the fat cats will follow an exploitation
trail around the globe boosting the world economy at our own expense and
will eventually wind back into the US where the skilled work force will have
diminished greatly.

What puzzled me specifically was the mention of *Kenya* though. I've never heard
of anything being outsourced there.

I'm well familiar with India and China.

Graham
 
well i dont know what all the fuss is about outsourcing.

See if you had to buy a kilo of potatoes and its was on sale at one
counter for 20cents(The price in india) and at another for 2$ (im
assuming it costs that much in the US ..i could be wrong though) .

Which counter would you buy from.? Everyone wants to save a buck....its
only human..
 
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Jasen Betts

Jan 1, 1970
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You've just explained neatly why western economies are about to crash.

Now go explain it to the politicians !

you need to explain it to the electorate, do you think a politician that was
promising 100% or greater price rises on consumer goods would stand a chance?

when the economy is on the verge of collapse it could happen.

Bye.
Jasen
 
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Roger Dewhurst

Jan 1, 1970
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Bill Gray said:
How about no select group at all running the economy? Laissez-faire
created the UK and the USA and works every time it's allowed. Having a
government run an economy is like swimming with a lead weight around the
neck. Lead doesn't float, and governments can't create wealth.

Nice idea but how do you implement it?

R
 
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Rob B

Jan 1, 1970
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well i dont know what all the fuss is about outsourcing.

See if you had to buy a kilo of potatoes and its was on sale at one
counter for 20cents(The price in india) and at another for 2$ (im
assuming it costs that much in the US ..i could be wrong though) .

Which counter would you buy from.? Everyone wants to save a buck....its
only human..

well that is just the problem, india could not get a sack of potatoes to a
US counter for 20 cents a kilo, it would probably be about same price or
more than the local grown potatoe, then it is a quality and taste issue

professional service type jobs cost almost nothing to ship anywhere in the
world so it easy to exploit and bolster the economy of one area to the
demise of the economy somewhere else. And this is not to save any bucks it
is to make more bucks for the few priviledged people in positions that
profit from such actions ?

issues of money tend to be a capitalist nature
 
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Richard the Dreaded Libertarian

Jan 1, 1970
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well i dont know what all the fuss is about outsourcing.

See if you had to buy a kilo of potatoes and its was on sale at one
counter for 20cents(The price in india) and at another for 2$ (im
assuming it costs that much in the US ..i could be wrong though) .

Which counter would you buy from.? Everyone wants to save a buck....its
only human..

Potatoes are an awful example - they're more like 10 pounds for $2.39.

And, IIUC, 20 cents in India is about equivalent to two bucks in the US,
if all the sniveling from the outsourcophobiacs is to be believed.

Thanks,
Rich
 
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Pooh Bear

Jan 1, 1970
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Richard said:
Potatoes are an awful example - they're more like 10 pounds for $2.39.

And, IIUC, 20 cents in India is about equivalent to two bucks in the US,
if all the sniveling from the outsourcophobiacs is to be believed.

The ratio may be higher.

Some years back we were told that a typical wage for a factory worker where
we once got out stuff made ( in Mumbai ) was $80 pcm.

Graham
 
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