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Mark Aitchison

Jan 1, 1970
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Homer said:
This thread belongs on sci.electronics.design and I wasn't the one who
'drifted' it.

Hmmm, I wasn't sure it was a design question, but I suppose the needs of
designers were a factor in why those companies selling surplus or
cheap/bulk components evaporated, along with some regular electronics
parts mail-order places I remember in the UK, while some shot up in size
(like Arrow).

I understand now what happened to PolyPaks, but still suspect there must
have been a trend to explain why the others (Bi-Pak and Bi-Pre-Pak for
example) didn't evolve into bulk suppliers on good components, as they
were obviously set up with stock and delivery systems, and a good
customer base.

The UK companies I recall from the 1970's that sold quality components
were many (of which only Maplin seems to have any decent following now,
as I see it from a distance - correct me if I'm wrong. Remember Trampus
Electronics, Bi-Pak, Chromasonic Electronics, Z & I Aero Services or
Electrovalue? It looks like Watford Electronics lasted until very
recently, and some others have some references on the Internet that may
or may not still be valid. Some changed their name, what they sell, and
where they are... probably some interesting stories in there, but none
as interesting as the Clive Sinclair saga, I guess.

There is a great book by Trace Kidder (Soul of a New Machine) which
covers an important transition time in computers... there should be a
similar book on the electronics industry. Maybe there is (let me know).

Mark A.
 
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Eeyore

Jan 1, 1970
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Mark said:
The UK companies I recall from the 1970's that sold quality components
were many (of which only Maplin seems to have any decent following now,
as I see it from a distance - correct me if I'm wrong. Remember Trampus
Electronics, Bi-Pak, Chromasonic Electronics, Z & I Aero Services or
Electrovalue? It looks like Watford Electronics lasted until very
recently, and some others have some references on the Internet that may
or may not still be valid.

Electrovalue's gone too (2005).

I hadn't heard about Watford though. It was only on the 7th it has to be said.

Graham
 
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kell

Jan 1, 1970
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Where does the /720 bit come from then ?
The Scholastic Aptitude Test (SAT), which is a standardized test used
here in the U.S.A. for college admissions, has two parts: math and
verbal. On either part, 800 is the highest score. I expressed the
scores as 800/720, in other words 800 math, 720 verbal.
 
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Fred Bloggs

Jan 1, 1970
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I got an 800 on my math SAT (but only 720 on the verbal) but that was
before they dumbed it down. Taking multiple-choice tests like this is
a peculiar talent.

Aren't those just dumb multiple choice tests of mundane high school
level subject matter. There was a time when high school was partitioned
into "tracks" like A, B, C, and only the A track was preparing for
college studies. Some high schools went so far as to call themselves
"preparatory" schools, meaning the whole school was A track. The SAT was
originally intended to quantify the level of preparedness of the
candidate so that the college admissions office could assess the
likelihood of success for the student in their program. All that has
been thrown out the window these days. Now it is much more important to
make a determination of gender, socioeconomic status, race,and sexual
orientation, these are the preeminent considerations for modern higher
education where the Bachelor/Bachelorette degree has been reduced to
something less than a certificate. I hope you're happy about how much
damned damage you have done!!!
 
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Fred Bloggs

Jan 1, 1970
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Fred said:
Aren't those just dumb multiple choice tests of mundane high school
level subject matter. There was a time when high school was partitioned
into "tracks" like A, B, C, and only the A track was preparing for
college studies. Some high schools went so far as to call themselves
"preparatory" schools, meaning the whole school was A track. The SAT was
originally intended to quantify the level of preparedness of the
candidate so that the college admissions office could assess the
likelihood of success for the student in their program. All that has
been thrown out the window these days. Now it is much more important to
make a determination of gender, socioeconomic status, race,and sexual
orientation, these are the preeminent considerations for modern higher
education where the Bachelor/Bachelorette degree has been reduced to
something less than a certificate. I hope you're happy about how much
damned damage you have done!!!

Actually they should start calling those things Batchlore degrees in
recognition of the mass production aspect...Masters sounds way too much
like a male/slave owner type of thing, maybe should call those EOY
degrees for Extra One Year, and PhD, hmmmm....
 
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Michael Black

Jan 1, 1970
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Homer J Simpson" ([email protected]) said:
This thread belongs on sci.electronics.design and I wasn't the one who
'drifted' it.
Of course you did, bozo.

It was only sci.electronics.components until you replied. There
were about two replies to the actual question, and then "Salmon
Egg" replied with his post about chemistry, and you replied to
that off-topic post, and tossed in sci.electronics.design:

Subject: Re: History of bulk electronic components suppliers
From: Salmon Egg <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: sci.electronics.components
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 10:57:35 -0800

From: "Homer J Simpson" <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: sci.electronics.components,sci.electronics.design
Subject: Re: History of bulk electronic components suppliers
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 19:43:37 GMT

Note that the people in .design never even saw the original question
because your crossposting reply wasnt about "hey, this is a neat thread,
let's see what people can add" it was about making some off-topic reply
that will do nothing but mess up the newsgroups.

Michael
 
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John Larkin

Jan 1, 1970
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The trouble is that nowhere I can think of is reading books presented as
worthwhile 'entertainment' any more.

Graham

Drop in on any good bookstore, during normal hours or for an author's
reading. You'll find lots of people who enjoy reading. On cable TV
here, we have a book channel that spends most of its time discussion,
well, books. The Sunday paper has a separate book review section.
Amazon is one of the few boom-days dot.com survivors.

This town is jammed with bookstores, from big chains like Borders and
Barnes&Noble to obscure antiquarian and specialty shops. Stacey's is
the high-end scientific and professional store, on Market Street. The
one just down the hill from us, across from the public library, has
book readings and nighttime jazz sessions.

Powell's in Seattle is a pilgrimage. I always allow an extra day when
I'm up there, just to hang out in the main store, a full city block,
or the science/engineering annex around the corner. Last time, I was
looking for the Patrick O'Brian books and couldn't fine them in
Fiction. That bummed me out - how the hell could they skip those? -
when somebody lead me to a room full of seafaring books.

Opamp Bookstore in LA is pretty good. Silicon Valley is mostly
disappointing, as bookstores go. I did go into a used technical book
store in Cambridge (MA) just a few blocks from MIT, and asked about
RadLab books. They'd never heard of them.

John
 
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John Larkin

Jan 1, 1970
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The Scholastic Aptitude Test (SAT), which is a standardized test used
here in the U.S.A. for college admissions, has two parts: math and
verbal. On either part, 800 is the highest score. I expressed the
scores as 800/720, in other words 800 math, 720 verbal.

My post, about a dozen up in the stack, stated the two scores
separately. Shape up, Eeyore!

John
 
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Eeyore

Jan 1, 1970
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John said:
Drop in on any good bookstore, during normal hours or for an author's
reading. You'll find lots of people who enjoy reading. On cable TV
here, we have a book channel that spends most of its time discussion,
well, books. The Sunday paper has a separate book review section.
Amazon is one of the few boom-days dot.com survivors.

But these are for ppl who already enjoy reading. Maybe in the above I should
have used the word promoted. Do you ever see a TV programme presenting reading a
novel in a positive light ?

Graham
 
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Homer J Simpson

Jan 1, 1970
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I understand now what happened to PolyPaks, but still suspect there must
have been a trend to explain why the others (Bi-Pak and Bi-Pre-Pak for
example) didn't evolve into bulk suppliers on good components, as they
were obviously set up with stock and delivery systems, and a good customer
base.

Radio Shack still sells their limited range but they are less 'enthusiastic'
than they once were about it. Of course I still can't figure out why anyone
would buy the high end stuff they really want to sell from them, but maybe
if they are the only game in town?
 
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John Larkin

Jan 1, 1970
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But these are for ppl who already enjoy reading. Maybe in the above I should
have used the word promoted. Do you ever see a TV programme presenting reading a
novel in a positive light ?

I can't recall such. I don't suspect many regular TV shows would tell
their own audiences to turn off the idiot box and pick up a book. The
sponsors wouldn't like that.

You have a good point: you almost never see people reading, or buying
books, or even writing, on regular TV shows. You do see people
driving, smoking, driving, playing video games, driving, watching TV,
and driving.

But if some people enjoy being stupefied by the absurd crap on TV...

John
 
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Homer J Simpson

Jan 1, 1970
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How many scientific Nobel prizes has Canada scored lately? I can't
remember seeing a Canadian electronic or scientific instrument that
looks worth buying. There certainly must be some, but there's no
obvious glaring intellectual advantage that Canada's advanced social
policies have created. You may dislike Americans, but to claim the US
is short on intelligence and knowledge is, well, stupid.

I didn't. I claimed that the US has failed every one of it's 'wars' such as
those on poverty, drugs, terrorism, children left behind and many more, but
the unannounced war on intelligence and knowledge is proceeding well as
shown by the influence of the ID crackpots and by it's
know-nothing-and-proud-of-it president.

At least 2% of Americans are very intelligent. However the other 98% are as
dumb as rocks as you well know.




The list of Canadian Nobel laureates since the prize was first awarded
includes:



1999 Economics
Robert Mundell, a native of Kingston, Ont., earned the prize for his
analysis of exchange rates and how they affect monetary policies. The
theories of Mundell, a professor at Columbia University in New York, helped
create a common currency for the European Union. Mundell did his most
important work in the 1960s.

1997 Economics
Myron Scholes, born in Timmins, Ont., was co-winner of the prize for
devising a formula for pricing derivatives such as stock options. A U.S.
citizen and professor emeritus at Stanford University in California, Scholes
shared the prize with Harvard professor Robert Merton. Scholes received his
undergraduate degree in economics from McMaster University in 1962 and an
honorary Doctor of Laws in 1990. He earned a PhD in economics at the
University of Chicago in 1969.


1996 Economics
William S. Vickrey was born in Victoria, British Columbia, in 1914. His
elementary and secondary education were in Europe and the United States,
with graduation from Phillips Andover Academy in 1931. He received a B.S. in
mathematics from Yale in 1935, followed by graduate work in economics at
Columbia University from 1935 to 1937, when he received the M.A. degree. He
then worked for the National Resources Planning Board in Washington and the
Division of Tax Research in the U.S. Treasury Department.


1994 Physics
Bertram Brockhouse, of McMaster University in Hamilton shared the prize
with Clifford Shull, 79, of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology in
Cambridge, Mass., for pioneering contributions to the development of neutron
scattering techniques for studies of matter. The scientists made their
contributions at the first nuclear reactors in Canada and the United States
in the 1940s and '50s. Nobel Prize winning Canadian physicist Dr. Bertram
Brockhouse has died at 85, on october 2003.

1993 Chemistry
Michael Smith, a British-born Canadian citizen, and Kary Mullis of the
United States. Smith, director of the Biotechnology Laboratory at the
University of British Columbia in Vancouver, won for his work on a method
for altering DNA to determine its function.

1992 Chemistry
Montreal-born Rudolph Marcus, a U.S. citizen, for his contributions to the
theory of how sub-atomic particles known as electrons are transferred
between molecules. Educated at McGill University, a professor at California
Institute of Technology when he received prize.

1990 Physics
Richard Taylor, a native of Medicine Hat, Alta., living in Palo Alto,
Calif., with Jerome Friedman and Henry Kendall of the United States, for
finding the first evidence of quarks, now believed to be basic building
blocks of matter.

1989 Chemistry
Yale University professor Sidney Altman, a U.S. citizen from Montreal, for
the discovery of catalytic properties of the genetic material RNA. Shared
the prize with Thomas Cech, University of Colorado.

1986 Chemistry
German-born John Polanyi of the University of Toronto, for showing how
basic chemical reactions take place. Shared prize with Americans Dudley
Herschbach and Yuan Lee.

1983 Chemistry
Saskatoon-born Henry Taub, for studies in the transfer of electrons in
metals. Graduated from University of Saskatchewan, on staff of Stanford
University in California when received prize.

1981 Physics
University of Toronto PhD Arthur Schawlow for development of
spectroscopes, basic tools for studying atomic structure. Shared with fellow
U.S. citizen Nicolass Boembergen and Kai Siegbahn of Sweden.

1981 Medicine
Dr. David Hubel, a native of Niagara Falls, Ont., for information
processing in the visual system. Graduated from McGill University in
Montreal before continuing his career in the United States.

1976 Literature
Saul Bellow was born in Lachine, Quebec, a suburb of Montreal, in 1915,
and was raised in Chicago. He attended the University of Chicago, received
his Bachelor's degree from Northwestern University in 1937, with honors in
sociology and anthropology, did graduate work at the University of
Wisconsin, and served in the Merchant Marine during World War II.

1971 Chemistry
German-born Gerhard Herzberg for work with ''free radicals'' - molecular
fragments which take part in chemical reactions. Taught at University of
Saskatchewan 1935-45, went to United States, returned 1948 to National
Research Council in Ottawa.

1966 Medicine
Charles Brenton Huggins, a Halifax native, graduate of Acadia University,
Wolfville, N.S., head of Ben May Cancer Research Laboratory of the
University of Chicago, for research into role of hormones in the control of
human cancer. Shared award with Peyton Rous of the Rockefeller University.

1957 Peace
Lester B. Pearson, before becoming prime minister, for proposing a United
Nations peacekeeping force as a means for easing the British and French out
of Egypt.

1949 Chemistry
William Giauque, a native of Niagara Falls, Ont., for investigating the
properties of matter under extremely low temperatures.

1923 Medicine
Sir Frederick Banting and J. R. Macleod, for the development of insulin,
used in the treatment of diabetes, at the University of Toronto.



Source: Toronto Star, October 13, 1999.
 
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John Larkin

Jan 1, 1970
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I didn't. I claimed that the US has failed every one of it's 'wars' such as
those on poverty, drugs, terrorism, children left behind and many more, but
the unannounced war on intelligence and knowledge is proceeding well as
shown by the influence of the ID crackpots and by it's
know-nothing-and-proud-of-it president.

At least 2% of Americans are very intelligent. However the other 98% are as
dumb as rocks as you well know.




The list of Canadian Nobel laureates since the prize was first awarded
includes:



1999 Economics
Robert Mundell, a native of Kingston, Ont., earned the prize for his
analysis of exchange rates and how they affect monetary policies. The
theories of Mundell, a professor at Columbia University in New York, helped
create a common currency for the European Union. Mundell did his most
important work in the 1960s.

1997 Economics
Myron Scholes, born in Timmins, Ont., was co-winner of the prize for
devising a formula for pricing derivatives such as stock options. A U.S.
citizen and professor emeritus at Stanford University in California, Scholes
shared the prize with Harvard professor Robert Merton. Scholes received his
undergraduate degree in economics from McMaster University in 1962 and an
honorary Doctor of Laws in 1990. He earned a PhD in economics at the
University of Chicago in 1969.


1996 Economics
William S. Vickrey was born in Victoria, British Columbia, in 1914. His
elementary and secondary education were in Europe and the United States,
with graduation from Phillips Andover Academy in 1931. He received a B.S. in
mathematics from Yale in 1935, followed by graduate work in economics at
Columbia University from 1935 to 1937, when he received the M.A. degree. He
then worked for the National Resources Planning Board in Washington and the
Division of Tax Research in the U.S. Treasury Department.


1994 Physics
Bertram Brockhouse, of McMaster University in Hamilton shared the prize
with Clifford Shull, 79, of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology in
Cambridge, Mass., for pioneering contributions to the development of neutron
scattering techniques for studies of matter. The scientists made their
contributions at the first nuclear reactors in Canada and the United States
in the 1940s and '50s. Nobel Prize winning Canadian physicist Dr. Bertram
Brockhouse has died at 85, on october 2003.

1993 Chemistry
Michael Smith, a British-born Canadian citizen, and Kary Mullis of the
United States. Smith, director of the Biotechnology Laboratory at the
University of British Columbia in Vancouver, won for his work on a method
for altering DNA to determine its function.

1992 Chemistry
Montreal-born Rudolph Marcus, a U.S. citizen, for his contributions to the
theory of how sub-atomic particles known as electrons are transferred
between molecules. Educated at McGill University, a professor at California
Institute of Technology when he received prize.

1990 Physics
Richard Taylor, a native of Medicine Hat, Alta., living in Palo Alto,
Calif., with Jerome Friedman and Henry Kendall of the United States, for
finding the first evidence of quarks, now believed to be basic building
blocks of matter.

1989 Chemistry
Yale University professor Sidney Altman, a U.S. citizen from Montreal, for
the discovery of catalytic properties of the genetic material RNA. Shared
the prize with Thomas Cech, University of Colorado.

1986 Chemistry
German-born John Polanyi of the University of Toronto, for showing how
basic chemical reactions take place. Shared prize with Americans Dudley
Herschbach and Yuan Lee.

1983 Chemistry
Saskatoon-born Henry Taub, for studies in the transfer of electrons in
metals. Graduated from University of Saskatchewan, on staff of Stanford
University in California when received prize.

1981 Physics
University of Toronto PhD Arthur Schawlow for development of
spectroscopes, basic tools for studying atomic structure. Shared with fellow
U.S. citizen Nicolass Boembergen and Kai Siegbahn of Sweden.

1981 Medicine
Dr. David Hubel, a native of Niagara Falls, Ont., for information
processing in the visual system. Graduated from McGill University in
Montreal before continuing his career in the United States.

1976 Literature
Saul Bellow was born in Lachine, Quebec, a suburb of Montreal, in 1915,
and was raised in Chicago. He attended the University of Chicago, received
his Bachelor's degree from Northwestern University in 1937, with honors in
sociology and anthropology, did graduate work at the University of
Wisconsin, and served in the Merchant Marine during World War II.

1971 Chemistry
German-born Gerhard Herzberg for work with ''free radicals'' - molecular
fragments which take part in chemical reactions. Taught at University of
Saskatchewan 1935-45, went to United States, returned 1948 to National
Research Council in Ottawa.

1966 Medicine
Charles Brenton Huggins, a Halifax native, graduate of Acadia University,
Wolfville, N.S., head of Ben May Cancer Research Laboratory of the
University of Chicago, for research into role of hormones in the control of
human cancer. Shared award with Peyton Rous of the Rockefeller University.

1957 Peace
Lester B. Pearson, before becoming prime minister, for proposing a United
Nations peacekeeping force as a means for easing the British and French out
of Egypt.

1949 Chemistry
William Giauque, a native of Niagara Falls, Ont., for investigating the
properties of matter under extremely low temperatures.

1923 Medicine
Sir Frederick Banting and J. R. Macleod, for the development of insulin,
used in the treatment of diabetes, at the University of Toronto.



Source: Toronto Star, October 13, 1999.

Amazing how many Canadian Nobelists have left Canada for the US.

Of course the US is wild, raunchy, crude, and dangerous. It has always
attracted the most intelligent, creative, rebelious, restless, and
unmanagable people from the whole world. You deplore this, but I think
of it as a public service to humanity.

Why do you think Westerns are so popular?

John
 
Bill Sloman thinks it should be.

Not true. Encouraging people to use 555's should be a misdemeanour,
but there are (rare) situations where the the 555 could be the right
solution. I've not run into one in thirty years of design work, but I
suppose there must be a few applications where it is still the right
choice.
 
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martin griffith

Jan 1, 1970
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On 13 Feb 2007 01:38:49 -0800, in sci.electronics.design
Not true. Encouraging people to use 555's should be a misdemeanour,
but there are (rare) situations where the the 555 could be the right
solution. I've not run into one in thirty years of design work, but I
suppose there must be a few applications where it is still the right
choice.

I'm just about to try syncing 3 little smps together. Of course the
555 was the first thing that came into my head as a master clock, say
80K, what would you suggest?

I'm certainly not going to use a PIC


martin
 
I'm just about to try syncing 3 little smps together. Of course the
555 was the first thing that came into my head as a master clock, say
80K, what would you suggest?

I'm certainly not going to use a PIC

The 74121 and 74221 both produce more stable delays than the 555, with
less jitter.

I'd be more likely to stick a crystal oscillator onto a PLD.
 
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Rich Grise

Jan 1, 1970
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On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 18:20:42 +0000, Eeyore

"Reading Rainbow":
http://gpn.unl.edu/rainbow/
I can't recall such. I don't suspect many regular TV shows would tell
their own audiences to turn off the idiot box and pick up a book. The
sponsors wouldn't like that.

You have a good point: you almost never see people reading, or buying
books, or even writing, on regular TV shows. You do see people
driving, smoking, driving, playing video games, driving, watching TV,
and driving.

But if some people enjoy being stupefied by the absurd crap on TV...

It seems like every time there's a book on a sitcom, it's some kind
of McGuffin - i.e., it or its use becomes the core gag for the show,
typically a kid that can't do their homework, or the wife joins a
book club and wants to drag her hubby to it.

Thanks,
Rich
 
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