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Discussion in 'Electronic Basics' started by nescafe, Aug 14, 2012.

  1. nescafe

    nescafe Guest

    Hi.

    I want to charge my capacitor bank with 72V-20A DC source.

    The idea is to store 1KW in this capacitor bank and then to use this
    power to run some 450V electronics.

    DC source is constant so capacitors can be "recharged" all the time.
    The capacitor bank should be made of 450V / 400uF capacitors and normal
    power consumption of our electronics is around 800 - 900W.

    Does anyone has some DIY project on this or maybe some guide how to start ?

    Regards !
     
  2. nescafe

    nescafe Guest

    btw 100000uf of stronger can also be used.
     
  3. Uwe Hercksen

    Uwe Hercksen Guest

    Hello,

    it is not possible to store 1 kW in a capacitor bank, even if it is a
    very large one. But if you want to store 1 kWh this may be done, if
    there are enough capacitors of a suitable capacity and voltage. The bank
    might be much too large, heavy and expensive.

    Bye
     
  4. nescafe

    nescafe Guest

    -------------------------
    First off, do you mean that you want to draw 1 kW from the capacitors ?
    -yes that's what i want

    The bank might be much too large, heavy and expensive
    - i agree that this could be a problem.

    But i do have some additional questions.
    e.g. if i dismantle some 12/220 - 2kw - DC/AC converter and if i measure
    voltage on exit capacitor i will get around 250V.
    Ok.
    If i want to use this 250V to run some 2kw application ( working on this
    voltage ) everything works OK. I tested this.

    So as far as i understand this i can make the same stuff but with 450V
    capacitor and with less electronic. Maybe i dont need capacitor bank ?
     
  5. nescafe

    nescafe Guest

    Can you tell us what you're trying to achieve,
    -- to run one 450V circuit. This circuit is used as some kind of
    controller and you can power it with 450VDC source.

    To run properly the circuit needs minimum 300W.
    ---------------------
     
  6. Jasen Betts

    Jasen Betts Guest

    If you can replace the rectifier on the main transformer of the 2KW
    inverter with one that gives twice the voltage you'd be close to a
    solution, you'd then need to mess with the feedback to reduce the
    output voltage to 450V.

    sounds dangerous and potentially expensive/exciting, especially if you don't
    have a schematic and understanding of how the inverter is supposed to
    work.

    it might be better to put autotransformr on the inverter output to
    step it up and rectify the result.

    This is for what? A battery powered "toob" amp?
     
  7. nescafe

    nescafe Guest

    Are you trying to use a car battery inverter to step the voltage up to
    450V?
    - yes. I'v done this before and it worked.
    There are of course few problems regarding this approach.
    Safety would be on the first place, but if the you do this with some
    basic/extra precaution then everything works ok.
    And it's quite exciting :)
    ---------------------
    Like Phil suggested if i go with capacitor bank i will not get what i
    need and beside this i would spend bunch on money for nothing.
    -------------------
    What im doing
    ---------------------
    I'v made electric car with reg. breaking.
    Its using 3phase 11kw motor and the only thing that i need is stronger
    DC/DC converter.
    I dont have time to explain how all this works but to control the motor
    i need 420 - 500V DC input.
    DC /DC converter is connected to this motor control. Btw. 3 phase
    approach is waaaay better then DC motor but as you can see there are
    some problems. I can rewind motor or use some other controller or do
    something else, but then again, that would not be me :). To run the car
    smoothly in first gear i need around 2,5kw ( first gear with fast start
    and small hill ) afterwards normal consumption is much lower.
    ---------------------
    Back to the problem ( and guys, please stay on this topic, we can talk
    about EV later ).
    ---------------------
    I firstly connected 2x 2KW AC/DC 12/220V converters ( galvanic separated
    ) and it worked OK
    Then i was thinking, damn, there must be a way just to change the output
    capacitor and rectifier ( like Jasen suggested ) to make this work. So
    my next plan is to buy some 72V DC/AC inverter and to do just that.
    Change the capacitor and rectifier part.
     
  8. Fred Abse

    Fred Abse Guest

    How do you propose getting 450V from 72? Some sort of series-parallel
    switching?
    That would appear to preclude switching , as described above. Define "all
    the time".
     
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