here we go again- FIOS

[spike]

Any one out there seen this new phone service and how it might work with
alarms? It's a Verizon fiber optic phone and internet service.

 

[Steve Ryckman]

Any one out there seen this new phone service and how it might work with
alarms? It's a Verizon fiber optic phone and internet service.

FIOS is just fiber to the premise. The only difference is that between
the CO and the premise it's on fiber instead of copper. It is NOT VOIP.

Have it at the house here as well as many of our employee's homes and no
equipment is the wiser. When they install they just reroute the wires
from the existing Dmarc to the FIOS ONT on the side of the house. All
internal wiring stays the same. Depending on how it was wired, they
might goof up the RJ31x wiring but other than that there should be no
issues with it.

 

[spike]

would the phone service be ok for upload and downloading of panels with a
modem too?
how do you like their internet service. really fast?

 

[Steve Ryckman]

would the phone service be ok for upload and downloading of panels with a
modem too?
how do you like their internet service. really fast?

Although I don't do uploading/downloading any longer since getting out
of the installing side of the business - I've dialed into customers with
PCAnywhere and other modem programs just fine with it. Faxing is fine
as well. All the voltages are proper and there is no echo or anything
like VOIP - it just sounds like a really really clean telephone line.
No crackling or pops like a regular copper POTS line gets in bad weather.

Although the speed is good - the real advantage to it is low latency
which lets you actually use the bandwidth to it's fullest advantage.
Oh, and my Internet connection has only been down once in the last two
years and thats because I was re-routing some wires in the attic.

If it's available in your area, I'd recommend to anyone they get it.

 

[Robert L Bass]

FIOS is just fiber to the premise.

Premise? :^)

Who provides power for the fiberoptic interface at the house -- telco or subscriber?

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Regards,
Robert L Bass

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Bass Home Electronics
941-866-1100
4883 Fallcrest Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34233
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
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[spike]

Who provides power for the fiberoptic interface at the house -- telco or
subscriber?

telco
http://www22.verizon.com/content/consumerfios/about+fiostv/about+fios.htm

 

[Robert L Bass]

It appears that the subscriber provides power for the device. If so, that leaves us with one of the same issues as VoIP -- loss of
communication during a power outage.

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Regards,
Robert L Bass

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Bass Home Electronics
941-866-1100
4883 Fallcrest Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34233
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
=============================>

 

[Steve Ryckman]

Who provides power for the fiberoptic interface at the house -- telco or subscriber?

They provide a small UPS that wall mounts on the inside of the
house/garage. Just plugs into an outlet. Their UPS only supplies power
for telco though. It lasts about 24hrs normally, just uses a standard 6
or 7ah battery. The Internet ant TV service drops when power goes out -
unless your a geek and have the ONT on your own backup power supply.

 

[Crash Gordon]

where's the voltage come from to run the analog inside phones?


| spike wrote:
| > would the phone service be ok for upload and downloading of panels with
a
| > modem too?
| > how do you like their internet service. really fast?
|
| Although I don't do uploading/downloading any longer since getting out
| of the installing side of the business - I've dialed into customers with
| PCAnywhere and other modem programs just fine with it. Faxing is fine
| as well. All the voltages are proper and there is no echo or anything
| like VOIP - it just sounds like a really really clean telephone line.
| No crackling or pops like a regular copper POTS line gets in bad weather.
|
| Although the speed is good - the real advantage to it is low latency
| which lets you actually use the bandwidth to it's fullest advantage.
| Oh, and my Internet connection has only been down once in the last two
| years and thats because I was re-routing some wires in the attic.
|
| If it's available in your area, I'd recommend to anyone they get it.
|
| --
| Steven M. Ryckman
| VP Technical Services
| SIMS, Inc.
|
|

 

[spike]

It appears that the subscriber provides power for the device. If so, that
leaves us with one of the same issues as VoIP -- loss of communication
during a power outage.

bzzzzttt. wrong again. the link I posted clearly states back up battery.

 

[nick markowitz]

I up down load and the fios operates just like a pots line have had no
issues at all.

 

[Robert L Bass]

24 hours of backup should be fine. If it handles alarm signals at least as well as POTS they've got a winner. The only problem
remaining I can see is it's Verizon. I don't know how well they perform in your neck of the woods but down here their service is
pretty bad.

BTW, I called my telco provider in Brazil to reactivate my phone lines and DSL (1 Gig upload / 3+ download). They report that they
finished the connection today. I'll know for certain when I arrive but that's one heck of a lot faster than Verizon in south
Florida. The last time took them almost a month and they still had problems. It's a sad state of affairs when one of the largest
providers in the USA is being outdone by a 3rd world telco.

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Regards,
Robert L Bass

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Bass Home Electronics
941-866-1100
4883 Fallcrest Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34233
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
=============================>

 

[Robert L Bass]

bzzzzttt. wrong again. the link I posted clearly states back up battery.

Bzzzttt. Correct. Give that boy a qubie doll!

 

[FIRETEK]

BTW, I called my telco provider in Brazil to reactivate my phone lines and DSL
(1 Gig upload / 3+ download).

What exactly do these figures represent? If it's "speed", you expect us to
believe that a third world country has better DSL than what's available in
North America?

According to www.dslreports.com/archive only one ISP in Brazil comes close
to the "download" connection speeds you've boasted.

They report that they
finished the connection today. I'll know for certain when I arrive but that's
one heck of a lot faster than Verizon in south Florida.

I'd suggest you "review" their speed claims when you're there too (and
demand a discount if they can't provide it):

"Down"
"Up"
www.virtua.com.br 1232 kbps 308 kbps
www.veloxzone.com.br 968 kbps 257 kbps
www.brasiltelecom.net.br 647 kbps 333 kbps
www.vivax.com.br 3144 kbps 484 kbps
www.telesp.net.br 615 kbps 98 kbps
www.gvt.net.br 689 kbps 191 kbps

The last time took them almost a month and they still had problems. It's a
sad state of affairs when one of the largest
providers in the USA is being outdone by a 3rd world telco.

Not quite as sad as some ninny lying about it all...

 

[Robert L Bass]

BTW, I called my telco provider in Brazil

What exactly do these figures represent?

I meant to type I called my telco provider in Brazil last week, etc.

If it's "speed", you expect us to believe that
a third world country has better DSL than
what's available in North America?

No. They offer pretty much the same speeds and QOS. The difference is they can complete the order faster than Verizon.

According to www.dslreports.com/archive
only one ISP in Brazil comes close to the
"download" connection speeds you've
boasted.

The provider I use has already demonstrated better speeds than what you quoted. However, that was not the point. I was simply
surprised, not to mention pleased, that they were able to get us connected so quickly, especially after the ridiculously long wait
to get Verizon to do anything.

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Regards,
Robert L Bass

=============================>
Bass Home Electronics
941-866-1100
4883 Fallcrest Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34233
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
=============================>

 

[Steve Ryckman]

The provider I use has already demonstrated better speeds than what you quoted. However, that was not the point. I was simply
surprised, not to mention pleased, that they were able to get us connected so quickly, especially after the ridiculously long wait
to get Verizon to do anything.

Typical install time for FIOS here is one to two weeks for a weekday
appointment and about three weeks for a Saturday or Sunday.

It's a completely different set of installers that are trained in FIOS
and they only do FIOS work. On all the installations they've done for
us they've gone out of their way to do things the "right" way and not
just slap it in like DSL/Cable techs have done before. If you get their
TV service, at a couple of our employee's homes they've completely
pulled new coax to all the jacks if there was a question about the
quality of the cabling there already.

 

[mikey]

It's actually not all that remarkable. I think his trick is that he actually
reads material before commenting on it.

bzzzzttt. wrong again. the link I posted clearly states back up battery.

Bzzzttt. Correct. Give that boy a qubie doll!

 

[Robert L Bass]

Sounds like I should find out if/when it is available in my area. You're right about their DSL installers. They screwed the job up
completely. I have DSL and cable modem in my US office just in case one goes down. In Brazil I only have DSL but it works pretty
much all the time. The only problems are infrequent power outages which so far have not lasted more than an hour or two. I doubt
it's as good in smaller cities though.

BTW, what have you been up to since last we met? Been made a vice-president yet?

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Regards,
Robert L Bass

=============================>
Bass Home Electronics
941-866-1100
4883 Fallcrest Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34233
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
=============================>

 

[Steve Ryckman]

BTW, what have you been up to since last we met? Been made a vice-president yet?

Oh, I've been here - just not feeding the trolls.

 

[Robert L Bass]

hahaha!! He was talking about -->you<--, ya fuckin' moron.

I see your "religious experience" lasted about as long as it usually does -- 3 days.