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Eeyore

Jan 1, 1970
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Never seen this before.

A HDD of mine (IBM Deskstar 20GB IC35L020AVER07-0) 'died' when I restarted
Windows (XP btw FWIW). Windows shut down OK seemingly but wouldn't restart.

It totally 'locked up' the PC with no error message. Never seen anything quite
like that before so it took me a little while to pinpoint it. The BIOS found the
drive OK btw.

Anyway, I got things sorted and then re-attached it as a secondary drive.

Trying to look at it, Windows Explorer 'froze' for a bit but it did load a drive
icon eventually. However Windows Explorer was of no further help.

I then used XP's command.com and got the cryptic message 'cyclic redundancy
error'.

Any ideas what's up ? Is the drive destined for silicon hell or is it
recoverable ? I'm wondering if the system area's data's been trashed for
example.

Graham
 
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martin griffith

Jan 1, 1970
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Never seen this before.

A HDD of mine (IBM Deskstar 20GB IC35L020AVER07-0) 'died' when I restarted
Windows (XP btw FWIW). Windows shut down OK seemingly but wouldn't restart.

It totally 'locked up' the PC with no error message. Never seen anything quite
like that before so it took me a little while to pinpoint it. The BIOS found the
drive OK btw.

Anyway, I got things sorted and then re-attached it as a secondary drive.

Trying to look at it, Windows Explorer 'froze' for a bit but it did load a drive
icon eventually. However Windows Explorer was of no further help.

I then used XP's command.com and got the cryptic message 'cyclic redundancy
error'.

Any ideas what's up ? Is the drive destined for silicon hell or is it
recoverable ? I'm wondering if the system area's data's been trashed for
example.

Graham
try a linux cd-live boot disk, may be of some help.Some linux things
state they can recover windoze stuff
FWIW I tried the latest Ubuntu CD live yesterday, thought it was not
very good, possibly a bit joe public!

Knoppix may be better ,more nerdy, (Warning 1980's graphics)



martin
 
E

Eeyore

Jan 1, 1970
0
martin said:
try a linux cd-live boot disk

I did that a while back.

Neither Ubuntu or Xubuntu would work. I'm very unimpressed.

Graham
 
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Meat Plow

Jan 1, 1970
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Never seen this before.

A HDD of mine (IBM Deskstar 20GB IC35L020AVER07-0) 'died' when I restarted
Windows (XP btw FWIW). Windows shut down OK seemingly but wouldn't restart.

It totally 'locked up' the PC with no error message. Never seen anything quite
like that before so it took me a little while to pinpoint it. The BIOS found the
drive OK btw.

Anyway, I got things sorted and then re-attached it as a secondary drive.

Trying to look at it, Windows Explorer 'froze' for a bit but it did load a drive
icon eventually. However Windows Explorer was of no further help.

I then used XP's command.com and got the cryptic message 'cyclic redundancy
error'.

Any ideas what's up ? Is the drive destined for silicon hell or is it
recoverable ? I'm wondering if the system area's data's been trashed for
example.

If the drive spins up and locks in RPM and the actuator does click or
thrash and it's recognized by the BIOS then the data is recoverable by you
with the right software. The CRC is an error that the data you're trying
to read does not pass a redundant check so you may have some bad blocks on
the drive. Saw that much times with IBM drives in my IT pro days most
recently with a 20 gig Travelstar laptop drive.
 
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Meat Plow

Jan 1, 1970
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I did that a while back.

Neither Ubuntu or Xubuntu would work. I'm very unimpressed.

Graham

Doesn't surprise me especially if it was formatted in NTFS.
 
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Eeyore

Jan 1, 1970
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Meat said:
If the drive spins up and locks in RPM and the actuator does click or
thrash and it's recognized by the BIOS then the data is recoverable by you
with the right software.

That's sort of what I was thinking. The drive is very quiet so it's not easy to
determine if it's spinning even. That's why I had it ! Even head movement is near
silent normally.

There's certainly no 'thrashing' though.

The CRC is an error that the data you're trying to read does not pass a redundant
check so you may have some bad blocks on the drive.

Again, that was roughly my thought. In years past I'd have used Norton disktools with
some certaintly that it would find what's up. Not sure what to do now. It's formatted
as FAT(32) not NTFS if that helps.


Graham
 
E

Eeyore

Jan 1, 1970
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Meat said:
Doesn't surprise me especially if it was formatted in NTFS.

It wasn't. FAT32. Call me a 'stick in the mud' if you like but I like stuff I
know works.

Graahm
 
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Meat Plow

Jan 1, 1970
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It wasn't. FAT32. Call me a 'stick in the mud' if you like but I like stuff I
know works.

Well the linux kernel has no problems mounting FAT partitions. I use my
FAT formatted SD camera card here in Kubuntu all the time. And I prefer
NTFS over FAT any day.
 
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James Sweet

Jan 1, 1970
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Eeyore said:
That's sort of what I was thinking. The drive is very quiet so it's not
easy to
determine if it's spinning even. That's why I had it ! Even head movement
is near
silent normally.

There's certainly no 'thrashing' though.



Again, that was roughly my thought. In years past I'd have used Norton
disktools with
some certaintly that it would find what's up. Not sure what to do now.
It's formatted
as FAT(32) not NTFS if that helps.


Graham

There's some really good tools out there, unfortunately I forget the name of
the one I used, but I found a free demo of it online a couple years ago.
Google for data recovery software and try one out. A word of caution though,
if the data is valuable, take the drive to a pro, you risk destroying it
beyond recovery by attempting to recover it yourself.
 
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Eeyore

Jan 1, 1970
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Meat said:
Well the linux kernel has no problems mounting FAT partitions. I use my
FAT formatted SD camera card here in Kubuntu all the time. And I prefer
NTFS over FAT any day

My reason for sticking with FAT was that I wanted W98 compatability.

Graham
 
E

Eeyore

Jan 1, 1970
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James said:
There's some really good tools out there, unfortunately I forget the name of
the one I used, but I found a free demo of it online a couple years ago.
Google for data recovery software and try one out. A word of caution though,
if the data is valuable, take the drive to a pro, you risk destroying it
beyond recovery by attempting to recover it yourself.

Thanks for the input. There's nothing on it of such value that I can't live
without it !

I am however curious since I've not come across such a fault before and I'd like
to attempt a fix if only as an exercise.

I've never previously 'lost' or needed to 're-install' an installation of
Windows you see. Short of total mechanical/electrical failure I'd like to
maintain that record.


Graham
 
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Meat Plow

Jan 1, 1970
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My reason for sticking with FAT was that I wanted W98 compatability.

Ah Win98, that's fair. Some like the simplicity of it. I use linux for
internet and XP for video/audio production.
 
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msg

Jan 1, 1970
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There's some really good tools out there, unfortunately I forget the name of
the one I used, but I found a free demo of it online a couple years ago.

I recommend tools from Ontrack (A well-known hard disk software and data
recovery company located here in my home state); I frequently
use ODRN (Ontrack Data Recovery for Netware) and it has worked wonders
to salvage file systems despite significant bad blocks and failing servo
tracks. There are other versions of ODR for other O/S platforms.
FWIW I also use an antique version of Norton Diskedit (DOS) to work at
the sector level on scsi drives.

Regards,

Michael
 
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Eeyore

Jan 1, 1970
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Meat said:
Ah Win98, that's fair. Some like the simplicity of it. I use linux for
internet and XP for video/audio production.

I'm keen to explore Linux but my results to date haven't been very promising. It seems
to me that the much-touted 'live' CDs require a fairly modern PC to run. The trouble
is that they give no indication of whether or not the PC can support it or not.

I will keep trying though. I have another 'box' in mind.


Graham
 
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Robert Adsett

Jan 1, 1970
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There's some really good tools out there, unfortunately I forget the name of
the one I used, but I found a free demo of it online a couple years ago.
Google for data recovery software and try one out. A word of caution though,
if the data is valuable, take the drive to a pro, you risk destroying it
beyond recovery by attempting to recover it yourself.

The disk drive manufacturers often have recovery tools. I had to do
that recently. Made a DOS disk booted to the recovery tool and sent it
discovering and marking bad sectors. I had symptoms similar to Grahams,
the machine was locked in a continuous reboot cycle. After marking the
bad sectors the machine booted and recovered the lost files (one of the
few things I appreciate about XP). I then transferred to a new HD.

Robert
 
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Spurious Response

Jan 1, 1970
0
try a linux cd-live boot disk, may be of some help.Some linux things
state they can recover windoze stuff
FWIW I tried the latest Ubuntu CD live yesterday, thought it was not
very good, possibly a bit joe public!

Knoppix may be better ,more nerdy, (Warning 1980's graphics)



martin


Jeez! 300GB UDMA drives are $59 now for the high end.

Why would ANYONE still be pounding around on a sub 100GB drive?!

OLD...

SLOW...

AND DAMN LIKELY TO FAIL SOON!
 
E

Eeyore

Jan 1, 1970
0
msg said:
I recommend tools from Ontrack (A well-known hard disk software and data
recovery company located here in my home state);

They're still around ?

I have used Ontrack tools in the past but I imagined they'd gone the way of all
things.

I frequently use ODRN (Ontrack Data Recovery for Netware) and it has worked
wonders
to salvage file systems despite significant bad blocks and failing servo
tracks. There are other versions of ODR for other O/S platforms.
FWIW I also use an antique version of Norton Diskedit (DOS) to work at
the sector level on scsi drives.

Yes. If only a modern OS would let you do that !

I well recall a specific instance where I'd goofed slightly due to poor
documentation (jumper settings in the early days of IDE master/slave drives) and
thankfully didn't panic and **** up. Norton sorted it. But then again, Norton
wasn't Symantec back in those days.

Don't you love it when Norton says 'this drive has a damaged partition table.
Would you like to recover it ?'

Graham
 
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Spurious Response

Jan 1, 1970
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I did that a while back.

Neither Ubuntu or Xubuntu would work. I'm very unimpressed.

Graham


Those are live/install CDs.

Try KNOPPIX 5.1.1

It was the first, and is the best live bootable, useable as a recovery
tool CD (from a certain POV).
 
E

Eeyore

Jan 1, 1970
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Spurious said:
Eeyorewrote:

Those are live/install CDs.

Yes. And that is a good or bad thing in exactly what way ?

Try KNOPPIX 5.1.1

It was the first, and is the best live bootable, useable as a recovery
tool CD (from a certain POV).

Ok. I'll take a peek at that.

Graham
 
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