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HDD 'died' cyclic redundancy error

Discussion in 'Electronic Repair' started by Eeyore, Jul 19, 2007.

  1. Eeyore

    Eeyore Guest

    Never seen this before.

    A HDD of mine (IBM Deskstar 20GB IC35L020AVER07-0) 'died' when I restarted
    Windows (XP btw FWIW). Windows shut down OK seemingly but wouldn't restart.

    It totally 'locked up' the PC with no error message. Never seen anything quite
    like that before so it took me a little while to pinpoint it. The BIOS found the
    drive OK btw.

    Anyway, I got things sorted and then re-attached it as a secondary drive.

    Trying to look at it, Windows Explorer 'froze' for a bit but it did load a drive
    icon eventually. However Windows Explorer was of no further help.

    I then used XP's command.com and got the cryptic message 'cyclic redundancy
    error'.

    Any ideas what's up ? Is the drive destined for silicon hell or is it
    recoverable ? I'm wondering if the system area's data's been trashed for
    example.

    Graham
     
  2. try a linux cd-live boot disk, may be of some help.Some linux things
    state they can recover windoze stuff
    FWIW I tried the latest Ubuntu CD live yesterday, thought it was not
    very good, possibly a bit joe public!

    Knoppix may be better ,more nerdy, (Warning 1980's graphics)



    martin
     
  3. Eeyore

    Eeyore Guest

    I did that a while back.

    Neither Ubuntu or Xubuntu would work. I'm very unimpressed.

    Graham
     
  4. Meat Plow

    Meat Plow Guest

    If the drive spins up and locks in RPM and the actuator does click or
    thrash and it's recognized by the BIOS then the data is recoverable by you
    with the right software. The CRC is an error that the data you're trying
    to read does not pass a redundant check so you may have some bad blocks on
    the drive. Saw that much times with IBM drives in my IT pro days most
    recently with a 20 gig Travelstar laptop drive.
     
  5. Meat Plow

    Meat Plow Guest

    Doesn't surprise me especially if it was formatted in NTFS.
     
  6. Eeyore

    Eeyore Guest

    That's sort of what I was thinking. The drive is very quiet so it's not easy to
    determine if it's spinning even. That's why I had it ! Even head movement is near
    silent normally.

    There's certainly no 'thrashing' though.

    Again, that was roughly my thought. In years past I'd have used Norton disktools with
    some certaintly that it would find what's up. Not sure what to do now. It's formatted
    as FAT(32) not NTFS if that helps.


    Graham
     
  7. Eeyore

    Eeyore Guest

    It wasn't. FAT32. Call me a 'stick in the mud' if you like but I like stuff I
    know works.

    Graahm
     
  8. Meat Plow

    Meat Plow Guest

    Well the linux kernel has no problems mounting FAT partitions. I use my
    FAT formatted SD camera card here in Kubuntu all the time. And I prefer
    NTFS over FAT any day.
     
  9. James Sweet

    James Sweet Guest

    There's some really good tools out there, unfortunately I forget the name of
    the one I used, but I found a free demo of it online a couple years ago.
    Google for data recovery software and try one out. A word of caution though,
    if the data is valuable, take the drive to a pro, you risk destroying it
    beyond recovery by attempting to recover it yourself.
     
  10. Eeyore

    Eeyore Guest

    My reason for sticking with FAT was that I wanted W98 compatability.

    Graham
     
  11. Eeyore

    Eeyore Guest

    Thanks for the input. There's nothing on it of such value that I can't live
    without it !

    I am however curious since I've not come across such a fault before and I'd like
    to attempt a fix if only as an exercise.

    I've never previously 'lost' or needed to 're-install' an installation of
    Windows you see. Short of total mechanical/electrical failure I'd like to
    maintain that record.


    Graham
     
  12. Meat Plow

    Meat Plow Guest

    Ah Win98, that's fair. Some like the simplicity of it. I use linux for
    internet and XP for video/audio production.
     
  13. msg

    msg Guest

    I recommend tools from Ontrack (A well-known hard disk software and data
    recovery company located here in my home state); I frequently
    use ODRN (Ontrack Data Recovery for Netware) and it has worked wonders
    to salvage file systems despite significant bad blocks and failing servo
    tracks. There are other versions of ODR for other O/S platforms.
    FWIW I also use an antique version of Norton Diskedit (DOS) to work at
    the sector level on scsi drives.

    Regards,

    Michael
     
  14. Eeyore

    Eeyore Guest

    I'm keen to explore Linux but my results to date haven't been very promising. It seems
    to me that the much-touted 'live' CDs require a fairly modern PC to run. The trouble
    is that they give no indication of whether or not the PC can support it or not.

    I will keep trying though. I have another 'box' in mind.


    Graham
     
  15. The disk drive manufacturers often have recovery tools. I had to do
    that recently. Made a DOS disk booted to the recovery tool and sent it
    discovering and marking bad sectors. I had symptoms similar to Grahams,
    the machine was locked in a continuous reboot cycle. After marking the
    bad sectors the machine booted and recovered the lost files (one of the
    few things I appreciate about XP). I then transferred to a new HD.

    Robert
     

  16. Jeez! 300GB UDMA drives are $59 now for the high end.

    Why would ANYONE still be pounding around on a sub 100GB drive?!

    OLD...

    SLOW...

    AND DAMN LIKELY TO FAIL SOON!
     
  17. Eeyore

    Eeyore Guest

    They're still around ?

    I have used Ontrack tools in the past but I imagined they'd gone the way of all
    things.

    Yes. If only a modern OS would let you do that !

    I well recall a specific instance where I'd goofed slightly due to poor
    documentation (jumper settings in the early days of IDE master/slave drives) and
    thankfully didn't panic and **** up. Norton sorted it. But then again, Norton
    wasn't Symantec back in those days.

    Don't you love it when Norton says 'this drive has a damaged partition table.
    Would you like to recover it ?'

    Graham
     

  18. Those are live/install CDs.

    Try KNOPPIX 5.1.1

    It was the first, and is the best live bootable, useable as a recovery
    tool CD (from a certain POV).
     
  19. Eeyore

    Eeyore Guest

    Made by whom ?

    Graham
     
  20. Eeyore

    Eeyore Guest

    Yes. And that is a good or bad thing in exactly what way ?

    Ok. I'll take a peek at that.

    Graham
     
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