HD CCTV?

[Matt Ion]

Okay, wanting to know if anyone knows of a CCTV-style video camera with actual
HD output that could feed (preferably in 1080p) directly into an HDTV receiver,
whether it be component, HDMI, etc. - basically something that's JUST a video
camera, relatively compact, no recording.

Only option I've been able to come up with so far is ONE Sony 'handycam'-type
unit with HDMI output - most HD camcorders only only seem to output standard
composite/S-video for monitoring and HD is just transferred to the computer via
Firewire.

Hi-res IP cameras are an outside option, but that requires a computer to get the
picture onto an HDTV - sort of unwanted extra complexity and expense.

 

[Robert L Bass]

Okay, wanting to know if anyone knows

of a CCTV-style video camera with actual HD output that could feed (preferably in
1080p) directly into an HDTV receiver, whether it be component, HDMI, etc. -
basically something that's JUST a video camera, relatively compact, no recording.

Sony makes a model DRC-H700 camera with 1080i HD output. They refer to it as a robotic camera. The intended use is for video
conferencing. We sell it online.

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Regards,
Robert L Bass

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Bass Home Electronics
941-866-1100
4883 Fallcrest Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34233
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
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[Matt Ion]

What is your application?

I'm not 100% sure. I'm told the client wants something he can plug into his
existing HDTV. Apparently he doesn't understand why he needs a computer to view
an IP camera as well... *sigh*

 

[Matt Ion]

Sony makes a model DRC-H700 camera with 1080i HD output. They refer to it as a robotic camera. The intended use is for video
conferencing. We sell it online.

I think that's the one my boss already found... no, I'm not buying anything from
you.

 

[Matt Ion]

I think that's the one my boss already found... no, I'm not buying
anything from you.

Hmm, nope, not the same one he found. And US$9k list is a little beyond the
price range, especially when a suitable IP camera would only need a $300
computer behind it...

 

[Robert L Bass]

I think that's the one my boss already

found... no, I'm not buying anything from you...

They're available through distribution. I was trying to help.

 

[Robert L Bass]

Hmm, nope, not the same one he found.

And US$9k list is a little beyond the price
range, especially when a suitable IP
camera would only need a $300 computer
behind it...

Your client wants HD. Does he
think he's going to get it for cheap?

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Regards,
Robert L Bass

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Bass Home Electronics
941-866-1100
4883 Fallcrest Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34233
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
=============================>

 

[Robert L Bass]

They're available through distribution.
I was trying to help you locate the correct
product. Best of luck finding something.

 

[Chingas]

I think that's the one my boss already found... no, I'm not buying anything from
you.

Atta boy...

Anyway, does the customer *really* need 1080p???? Very few monitors
will display it, and besides --- how much movement is happening to
justify that kind of bandwidth?

Look around for the cams they use to 'film' documentaries on the
Discovery Channel and such - the cams are surprisingly cheap.

http://digitalcontentproducer.com/cameras/prods/



Consumer grade HD:
http://www.camcorderinfo.com/conten...-Less-Expensive-HDR-FX7-with-3-CMOS-Chips.htm


-cracker

 

[Matt Ion]

Your client wants HD. Does he
think he's going to get it for cheap?

No, but I hardly think we'll be able to sell him on $9k for a single camera.

 

[Matt Ion]

Atta boy...

Don't get too excited... I'm not hopping on the anti-Bass bandwagon just yet,
but I also don't like being pandered to. Obviously I'm not just some DIY shmoe
dropping by here for Bass to sell stuff to. I asked for suggestions, not sources.

Anyway, does the customer *really* need 1080p???? Very few monitors
will display it, and besides --- how much movement is happening to
justify that kind of bandwidth?

Well, I finally got some more details on the "project". It's a, uh... shall we
say, 'service facility' (no, nothing tawdry, just don't want to give away too
many details on a POTENTIAL client) where they want to display live events on an
existing big-screen flatpanel *and* projector within the facility. Still
waiting for details on each to find out what they even have for inputs.

Of course, since we originally pushed the IP-camera idea, they've decided that
since they needed to have a computer anyway, they should also want to be able to
webcast AND burn off DVDs for the departing customers as well, but of course,
they want it all to be "easy", and I can't come up with any way to really do
this with an IP camera - recording to the PC and then transcoding and authoring
a DVD is just too time-consuming and not particularly mindless.

Tentative idea at this point is to use a Sony HDR-SR1, which can output via HDMI
(only one I've found so far with that capability) to the big display, record in
SD to an internal hard drive in MPEG-2 format (that can then be readily dumped
to the PC via USB for DVD authoring), and ultimately I suppose, streamed to web
through a simple video-capture box from the composite output.

Whether they REALLY need 1080p, I don't know... I guess it's more a matter of,
their existing TV is capable of it, so they want to use it all. Frankly, I'm
not even convinced that they really even need better than SD, but hey, it's
their money - mine is not to reason why.

Look around for the cams they use to 'film' documentaries on the
Discovery Channel and such - the cams are surprisingly cheap.

http://digitalcontentproducer.com/cameras/prods/



Consumer grade HD:
http://www.camcorderinfo.com/conten...-Less-Expensive-HDR-FX7-with-3-CMOS-Chips.htm

Thanks, I'll check those out...

 

[spike]

No, but I hardly think we'll be able to sell him on $9k for a single
camera.

don't forget your markup.

 

[Robert L Bass]

No, but I hardly think we'll be able to

sell him on $9k for a single camera.

Explain what HD vs. "hi res" costs and show him a hi res conventional image. He'll be happy to order from you. And no, I won't
sell you anything.

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Regards,
Robert L Bass

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Bass Home Electronics
941-866-1100
4883 Fallcrest Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34233
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
=============================>

 

[Robert L Bass]

Don't get too excited... I'm not hopping on the anti-Bass bandwagon just yet, but I also don't like being pandered to. Obviously

I'm not just some DIY shmoe dropping by here for Bass to sell stuff to. I asked for suggestions, not sources.

I assumed you were a dealer and offered a suggestion. I had no intention of sourcing anything for you since presumably you can
order the same places I do.

No. He probably saw how great TV looks in HD and assumed CCTV would be just as good without realizing how much HD costs.

Lots of monitors will display it. The problem is they're also very expensive and for CCTV it's not worth the cost.

Of course, since we originally pushed
the IP-camera idea, they've decided that since they needed to have a computer
anyway, they should also want to be
able to webcast AND burn off DVDs for
the departing customers as well, but of
course, they want it all to be "easy",
and I can't come up with any way to
really do this with an IP camera...

You may find it easier to implement using
an Internet-ready DVR such as Speco's
new one. I mentioned it recently (don't
recall which thread). The customer uses
a web browser to view / operate the DVR.
Connect a few conventional or IP cameras
to the DVR. Let them use the PC's
built-in DVD burner and you won't have to
service it.

Whether they REALLY need 1080p,
I don't know...

Probably not but you really need to find
that out for sure first or you'll price yourself
out of the job trying to accommodate a
want that isn't a need.

Ignoring the original rudeness in return
for replying to your request for help, I'm
not trying to sell you anything. If you
happen to need something I sell I'll
give you the number of my distributor.
However, I neither said nor did anything
to deserve your rude response.