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GreenPower won't be so green any more?

Discussion in 'Hobby Electronics' started by David L. Jones, Mar 19, 2009.

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  1. For those, like me, currently paying a premium for 100% Green Power in some
    form, this is depressing http://www.smh.com.au/environment/g...y-purchases-in-vain-choice-20090309-8sxz.html

    So I'll now be paying FOR big business, with no additonal gain in green
    power generation? :-(

    Although I guess if you think the whole carbon thing is a load of bunk, and
    just want your power from a renewable source, that extra energy must still
    be generated into the grid under the current acceditation scheme (as before,
    depending upon which GreenPower scheme you are on). So, for example, all
    things being equal, if the carbon targets are all met, and the green power
    sources are maxed out - paying extra for 100% new Green Power should still
    mean additional new green power delivered onto the grid? Unless they plan on
    chaning the GreenPower guidelines too?

    It's hard to make heads or tails of this mess.

    Dave.
     
  2. Mauried

    Mauried Guest

    The real mess is in fact whether the green power scheme is a
    legitimate scheme or a scam.
    You really need to know exactly where the extra money you are paying
    for green power actually goes.
    For example does it really go into helping promote the prodution of
    green energy, or does it simply go into driving up the profits of
    existing producers of green power.
     
  3. Yes, you have to be careful.
    See:
    http://www.alternatezone.com/files/GreenPower1.jpg
    http://www.alternatezone.com/files/GreenPower2.jpg

    The Origin Energy GreenEarth Solar/Wind plans consistently come out #1 in
    all audits, and also came out as the best in my own (actually my wife who
    knows the in's and out's of these things) investgations, so I've been with
    Origin Energy 100% Wind scheme from day one.

    One of the original "pioneers" of Green Power in Australia, Jack Green, is
    one of the worst offenders. A lot of poeple signed up to them thinking they
    are making a difference.

    Dave.
     
  4. terryc

    terryc Guest

    Isn't that how it works anyway?
    As demand rises, the existing producers increase their profits until more
    pople decide it is worth investing money in green power generation
    infrastructure to get their hands on a share of the profits.
     
  5. No. Read the article I provided in a previous post.
    To be fully greenpower accedited there are bunch of requirements you have to
    meet, including:
    "the renewable energy supplied must not be part of the retailer's mandatory
    renewable energy supply component."
    and
    "the supply must meet the customers energy demands"

    This is the case with the higher priced energy plans, but there are many
    plans that advertise as being "green" but don't meet these criteria. I don't
    believe there are any laws stopping this, provided it's all in the fine
    print somewhere.
    So if you pay the extra and sign up for a 100% green plan then your energy
    *must* come from "new" infrastructure (build after 1997) that is outside of
    what they are required to provide. If there is not sufficient capacity then
    the providers *must* build or source.
    So at the moment you can actually effect change by buying 100% power, but
    this may change under this new proposed scheme.

    Dave.
     
  6. No. Read the article I provided in a previous post.
    To be fully greenpower accedited there are bunch of requirements you have to
    meet, including:
    "the renewable energy supplied must not be part of the retailer's mandatory
    renewable energy supply component."
    and
    "the supply must meet the customers energy demands"

    This is the case with the higher priced energy plans, but there are many
    plans that advertise as being "green" but don't meet these criteria. I don't
    believe there are any laws stopping this, provided it's all in the fine
    print somewhere.
    So if you pay the extra and sign up for a 100% green plan then your energy
    *must* come from "new" infrastructure (build after 1997) that is outside of
    what they are required to provide. If there is not sufficient capacity then
    the providers *must* build or source.
    So at the moment you can actually effect change by buying 100% power, but
    this may change under this new proposed scheme.

    Dave.
     
  7. Eeyore

    Eeyore Guest

  8. I don't need to, thanks.
    I like knowing my extra money is currently going toward wind power
    generation.

    Dave.
     
  9. MisterE

    MisterE Guest

    Its simple: You either tax ALL fossil fuels at their source, or you don't.
    Emission 'trading' is just another way to for the goverment to intercept a
    portion of commerce and recreate more needless regulation and new goverment
    departments.
     
  10. Mauried

    Mauried Guest

    Basically correct, except that its political suicide.
    Taxing coal for example would mean that we wouldnt be able to export
    any as no one would buy it as it would be too expensive compared with
    other countries who dont tax it.
    No coal exports wipes out the State of queesland and would hit NSW
    very hard as well.
     
  11. terryc

    terryc Guest

    The information I have heard is that the greatest competition Australian
    coal exporters face is each other. The tax(royalty on coal is miniscule,
    about 20c/ton(?) and it does not cover the cost of infrastructure to ship
    it out.
     
  12. Davo

    Davo Guest

    That probably explains why ships were queuing a year or so ago, the
    mining companies were waiting for the taxpayer to build bigger ports,
    and it didn't happen.
     
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