GPS Phone madness

[David L. Jones]

Looks like using GPS phones will be banned in Vic, even if it's in a cradle:
http://www.itwire.com/content/view/27916/532/

Madness, as only the bureaucrats can come up with.

Dave.

 

[Trevor Wilson]

Looks like using GPS phones will be banned in Vic, even if it's in a
cradle:
http://www.itwire.com/content/view/27916/532/

Madness, as only the bureaucrats can come up with.

**Yeah? Wait'll you get tapped in the arse by some idiot punching a
destination into his GPS. IF a GPS can be made to only operate by a
passenger, or when the car is stationary, then I have no problems with their
use. As long as drivers can use them, then we're all in trouble.

PS: My 'phone is GPS equipped, so I will be affected by any forthcoming
legislation. I ONLY operate it when my car is stationary. Driving a car in
Sydney requires 100% concentration.

 

[David L. Jones]

**Yeah?

Yep, please explain how it makes sense to have a purpose designed GPS device
in a cradle legal, yet a mobile phone (often running the same GPS software)
in the same cradle will be illegal to use.

Wait'll you get tapped in the arse by some idiot punching a
destination into his GPS.

They can do that with purpose designed GPS's too, yet they ain't nabbing
people for using those.

IF a GPS can be made to only operate by a
passenger, or when the car is stationary, then I have no problems
with their use. As long as drivers can use them, then we're all in
trouble.
PS: My 'phone is GPS equipped, so I will be affected by any
forthcoming legislation. I ONLY operate it when my car is stationary.

So do I. I plug in the address and then let the voice prompt do the rest.

Driving a car in Sydney requires 100% concentration.

Indeed.

Dave.

 

[David L. Jones]

Yep, please explain how it makes sense to have a purpose designed GPS
device in a cradle legal, yet a mobile phone (often running the same
GPS software) in the same cradle will be illegal to use.


They can do that with purpose designed GPS's too, yet they ain't
nabbing people for using those.


So do I. I plug in the address and then let the voice prompt do the
rest.

Indeed.

Dave.

Also:
http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2009/08/using-iphone-satnav-apps-while-driving-is-actually-illegal/

"Under Rule 300 of the Australian Road Rules, which prohibits the use of a
hand held device while driving, if the unit is a mobile phone then any
function connected to the phone would be classified as use and this includes
GPS.
Rule 299, of the Australian Road Rules permits a GPS but not one connected
to a mobile phone. A smart phone is still a mobile phone regardless of what
else it may be capable of."

Dave.

 

[Trevor Wilson]

Yep, please explain how it makes sense to have a purpose designed GPS
device in a cradle legal, yet a mobile phone (often running the same GPS
software) in the same cradle will be illegal to use.

**Perhaps you misunderstood the thrust of my argument. ALL GPS units ('phone
and non-'phone types) need to be subject to the same restrictions.

They can do that with purpose designed GPS's too, yet they ain't nabbing
people for using those.

**See above.

So do I. I plug in the address and then let the voice prompt do the rest.


Indeed.

**Which is why ALL GPS units need to be treated the same.

 

[F Murtz]

**Perhaps you misunderstood the thrust of my argument. ALL GPS units ('phone
and non-'phone types) need to be subject to the same restrictions.



**See above.


**Which is why ALL GPS units need to be treated the same.

As long as operating radio,cd player setting clock, adjusting heater or
air con,trip meter, electric mirrors or manual rear vision mirror or any
of the other myriad things that are part of driving are also banned.

 

[Tom]

**Which is why ALL GPS units need to be treated the same.

So you think people looking up UBD on their knees or steering wheel are safer?

Tom

 

[Trevor Wilson]

So you think people looking up UBD on their knees or steering wheel are
safer?

**Are you a complete moron, or just wilfully stupid?

 

[Trevor Wilson]

As long as operating radio,cd player setting clock, adjusting heater or
air con,trip meter, electric mirrors or manual rear vision mirror or any
of the other myriad things that are part of driving are also banned.

**None of those takes as much concentration as punching an address into a
GPS. I've seen people do it and I've been the victim of an idiot who did it
whilst driving.

 

[Trevor Wilson]

:
::> Looks like using GPS phones will be banned in Vic, even if it's in a
:> cradle:
:> http://www.itwire.com/content/view/27916/532/
:>
:> Madness, as only the bureaucrats can come up with.
:
:**Yeah? Wait'll you get tapped in the arse by some idiot punching a
:destination into his GPS. IF a GPS can be made to only operate by a
assenger, or when the car is stationary, then I have no problems with
their
:use. As long as drivers can use them, then we're all in trouble.
:
S: My 'phone is GPS equipped, so I will be affected by any forthcoming
:legislation. I ONLY operate it when my car is stationary. Driving a car
in
:Sydney requires 100% concentration.

Wouldn't you be a lot happier living somewhere like Singapore?

****** that. It's a dictatorship, where capital punishment is enshrined in
law. I am anti-capital punishment. Singapore has the worst weather on the
planet too.

They love having endless laws, with harsh penalties.
Sounds like it'd be right up your alley.

**After YOU get rear-ended by some fuckwit playing with his GPS, get back to
me. Idiots cannot be trusted to use GPS' responsibly. The law is essential.
I watched this idiot plough into me a few months ago. I could see him
fiddling with his GPS. I had absolutely no-where to go. I just waited for
the crunch. Then I waited for my car to be repaired. It was a PITA. All his
fault, that doesn't make up for the inconvenience.

Walk a mile in my shoes, BEFORE you shoot your mouth off.

 

[Tom]

**Are you a complete moron, or just wilfully stupid?

Last summer I was hit in a back by a guy looking up his way in refedex while driving a car. You must be a moron if you cannot imagine that happen. It was a young fellow in old Falcon so I suspect not everyone can afford or is willing steal a GPS for his car.

Just trying to point out that banning anything won't solve a problem. I've seen women putting make up while driving - would you ban lipstick and mascara from drivers hanbags? It would make sense (at least for me) if the cops here target idiotic and dangerous behaviour on the road and not particular devices. Somehow it is too hard to understand that idots are the danger, not a GPS or a mobile phone.

Tom

 

[Jasen Betts]

**None of those takes as much concentration as punching an address into a
GPS. I've seen people do it and I've been the victim of an idiot who did it
whilst driving.

great! get a GPS phone and you can send txt messages and claim you
were adjusting it...







..

 

[Mr.T]

"Under Rule 300 of the Australian Road Rules, which prohibits the use of a
hand held device while driving, if the unit is a mobile phone then any
function connected to the phone would be classified as use and this includes
GPS.

If it's in a cradle it's no longer "hand held" is it. And what about hands
free kits for mobile phones. Are they now banned as well?

MrT.

 

[Mr.T]

****** that. It's a dictatorship, where capital punishment is enshrined in
law. I am anti-capital punishment. Singapore has the worst weather on the
planet too.


**After YOU get rear-ended by some fuckwit playing with his GPS, get back to
me. Idiots cannot be trusted to use GPS' responsibly. The law is essential.
I watched this idiot plough into me a few months ago. I could see him
fiddling with his GPS. I had absolutely no-where to go. I just waited for
the crunch. Then I waited for my car to be repaired. It was a PITA. All his
fault, that doesn't make up for the inconvenience.

Simply ban cars then, IF they want to ban devices rather than the real
cause, *stupid drivers*. That would fix your problem. Would that make you
happy too? If so just sell your car now and your problem is solved!

MrT.

 

[Trevor Wilson]

Simply ban cars then, IF they want to ban devices rather than the real
cause, *stupid drivers*. That would fix your problem. Would that make you
happy too? If so just sell your car now and your problem is solved!

**As long as the government sees fit to allow complete morons the right to
drive a car, then we needs laws to ensure that they do not injure others.

BTW: Idiots using a GPS can injure pedestrians too.

Like I said before: Walk a mile in my shoes. Wait 'till some idiot rams you
up the arse, because he was mucking about with his GPS. You'll be screaming
for legislation too. I was dead lucky. No injuries and not much damage to my
car. Next time and idiot decides to play Russian roulette with MY life, I
may not be so lucky. Nor, I might add, might you be.

We either get ALL the idiots off the road, or we use draconian laws to keep
the idiots in line. Those of us with common-sense don't read maps, text or
use a GPS whilst we're driving.

 

[Mr.T]

**As long as the government sees fit to allow complete morons the right to
drive a car, then we needs laws to ensure that they do not injure others.

How stupid! IF you don't prevent the truly stupid from driving in the first
place, NO law is going to prevent them injuring others.

BTW: Idiots using a GPS can injure pedestrians too.

Since intelligent people only touch it *before* they drive, I can't see how.
Maybe you think high levels of radiation? Continually trying to figure
out where you are and where you are going is probably more distracting IMO.

Like I said before: Walk a mile in my shoes. Wait 'till some idiot rams you
up the arse, because he was mucking about with his GPS.

I've been run into the back of 3 times by people not watching what they were
doing! NONE of them was playing with a GPS. You STILL do not understand the
difference between poor driving, inattention and a singular piece of
technology that MAY cause some *morons* to crash, when they'd just find some
other way to do it anyhow.

You'll be screaming for legislation too.

I've been screaming for tougher driving tests, and retests every ten years
at least. Have been doing so for decades with no result. The government
makes FAR too much money fining morons to want to get rid of them
beforehand.
I am NOT screaming for bans on GPS usage however.

I was dead lucky. No injuries and not much damage to my
car. Next time and idiot decides to play Russian roulette with MY life, I
may not be so lucky. Nor, I might add, might you be.

EVERY time you drive on the road you are playing Russian roulette, since the
government actually believes advanced driver traing is a BAD thing :-(

We either get ALL the idiots off the road, or we use draconian laws to keep
the idiots in line.

The bigger the idiot, the less likely they are to obey the law anyway. Good
luck with your "osteriech" false sense of security.

Those of us with common-sense don't read maps, text or
use a GPS whilst we're driving.

GPS "usage" while driving doesn't involve touching it at all, and is no more
dangerous than listening to the radio!

MrT.

 

[Mr.T]

The only draconian measure we need is in relation to population control.
Indeed.

But that won't happen, until it's forced upon us.

By who? Our stupid pollies are busy paying baby bonuses to encourage
*greater* levels of over-population!
(and the subsequent increases in GHG emissions)
They simply refuse to believe there is any correlation between emissions and
7+ Billion people on the planet. They also believe we can reduce emissions
by increasing population. That is propagated by the insistence of measuring
output per person rather than globally, per country and per square km as it
should be done. So they can claim success in reductions per person while the
total amount continues to increase :-(
(Just as they do with water usage as well. "Hey we've hit 155 litres pp/pd,
too bad if the dams are dry because we have doubled the population since the
last dam was built, and there are no more rivers being built to dam anyway


I think the world is at it's zenith, I'm afraid it must be pretty much
downhill from here as far as quality of life for most people is concerned.

MrT.

 

[keithr]

****** that. It's a dictatorship, where capital punishment is enshrined in
law. I am anti-capital punishment. Singapore has the worst weather on the
planet too.

Is there anything much that you aren't against Trevor?

**After YOU get rear-ended by some fuckwit playing with his GPS, get back to
me. Idiots cannot be trusted to use GPS' responsibly. The law is essential.
I watched this idiot plough into me a few months ago. I could see him
fiddling with his GPS. I had absolutely no-where to go. I just waited for
the crunch. Then I waited for my car to be repaired. It was a PITA. All his
fault, that doesn't make up for the inconvenience.

Like many of the others here, I've been rear ended a couple of times by
idiots who didn't need a GPS or phone to help them. Its part of life in
the big city which is one of the reasons that I no longer live in a big
(or even a small) city.

Walk a mile in my shoes, BEFORE you shoot your mouth off.

No thanks Trev, I would never want to get that pedantic. Speaking of
which, shouldn't that be 1.6 kilometres in your shoes?

 

[David L. Jones]

Indeed.

Ditto indeed.
Overpopulation is by far the biggest threat facing this planet and our
future standard of living, ignoring nukes and rogue asteroids of course.
Although somewhat ironically, both of those are rather effective at solving
population control :->

Dave.

 

[David L. Jones]

I think the world is at it's zenith, I'm afraid it must be pretty much
downhill from here as far as quality of life for most people is
concerned.

Well, it's going to have to change at least, in many ways.
The reliance on cheap and plentiful oil is the thing most likely to hit the
fan first for most societies. It'll be a real hoot, even better than the
GFC!

Dave.