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Discussion in 'Security Alarms' started by Sharmon, Dec 26, 2003.

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  1. Sharmon

    Sharmon Guest

    Hi ,

    I want to install a safe in a convenience store that is tired of
    getting held up (8 times in 13 months). I am going to put in a
    dedicated panel (P832) with a shock sensor and 24 hr contact with
    keyswitch. This system will be totally separate from the main alarm
    system with it's own monitoring, panel and phoneline. Can somebody
    recommend a good shock sensor that will detect a tool attack but is
    adjustable enough to take a "normal" hit as in being accidentally
    bumped without falsing ? The safe will be bolted with 7 inch lags into
    the floor joists of the store and has a combination key/spindle 8 bolt
    door. I was thinking of using an FG-1525 GB as the safe has full glass
    inserts in two walls that would break with a direct attack.



    PS this is what the customer wants not what I suggested .
  2. Aegis

    Aegis Guest

    What the customer wants... You can attempt to educate him as to his
    mistakes, but ultimately you have a fiduciary responsibility to either walk
    away or give him what he asks for. Anything else can get you sued.
  3. RH.Campbell

    RH.Campbell Guest

    Sharmon, Paradox make a specific sensor designed for safes and the
    application you are describing. You might want to check it out with

  4. Quadrajet1 wrote
    I don't believe Smith and Wesson makes a "Model 357".
  5. Sharmon

    Sharmon Guest

    Thanks Bob , I'll go over on Monday. This poor woman has been held up
    with a gun 5 times , 2 times with a knife and once by a woman with an
    "Aids needle". I've already installed bars on the front door with a
    remote strike and and a second camera outside the store. In one
    instance she was held for 23 minutes while the scumbag worked on the
    dropsafe and seeing that the building has underground phonelines and I
    have 5 P832s that are doing nothing I suggested that the safe be wired
    up with a separate dedicated system as she now has a somewhat hardened
  6. RH.Campbell

    RH.Campbell Guest

    Cripes ! Hard to believe that sort of thing is happening in Ottawa...

    I have a corner confectionary store in Vanier that has been robbed about
    four times now, albeit only with physical threats - no weapon. You
    definately have to do some very out of the ordinary things to give these
    poor folks adequate protection (and even then it doesn't seem to help..)

    If you have the internet, go up to and you should also see
    the device for safes

    Home Security Metal Products
    Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
  7. Mark Leuck

    Mark Leuck Guest

    I could have swore the Canadian government took away all those guns to make
    the public safer? :)

    (running for cover)
  8. Rick Lalonde

    Rick Lalonde Guest

    They only took a little over a billion dollars of Canadian taxdollars money
    to set up the program....not quite finished yet. Unfortunately, the crack
    dealers, Jamaican gangs and Hell's Angels have yet to register their
    firearms. Meanwhile if you are a Legion branch that owns a decorative
    vintage Howitzer in the front of the town hall then you'd best get it
    registered, lest someone steal it and use it in a hold-up.
  9. RH.Campbell

    RH.Campbell Guest

    Well, we're all hoping our new Prime Minister will see the light as part of
    his major cost cutting moves. He's busy decimating all the feel good and
    other idiotic programs our last Prime Minister set up during his "reign".
    We're hoping the long gun registry will also go, but the anti-gun extremists
    are already busy in the background lobbying to make sure nothing is cut...

    I'm still trying to get all the foolishness done for my firearms, but it's
    not going so well (two years after the date...). One day soon, I expect to
    have them knocking on my door saying "hand 'em over".....

  10. RH.Campbell

    RH.Campbell Guest

    As I remember Bob, this safe sensor is some form of 24 device that goes
    under that safe and detects only certain types of shocks that would indicate
    a direct attack on the unit. Since I can't remember much about it (and don't
    intend to research it...hey...I'm on holidays !!...), I don't know how this
    is any better than a conventional 24 hour loop. But knowing Paradox, it must
    be a good unit that has some real legitimacy for it's stated
    purpose...(geez..does this sound like a "plug" for Paradox...:)))

  11. RH.Campbell wrote
    Well if you register them, it's only a matter of time.
  12. RH.Campbell

    RH.Campbell Guest

    Problem is, they were already registered under the old legislation. Now you
    are required to do so AGAIN under the new legislation, but not without going
    through all sorts of hoops first. So they know I have them....

    But if they didn't.......:))))))

  13. Sharmon

    Sharmon Guest

    Because the phonelines are protected and this way I can make each
    panel a protected loop of the other on opposite sides of the building.
    This makes it really hard to defeat with a hammer.
  14. RH.Campbell wrote
    It'd be a real shame if they were all stolen. ;-)
  15. racer

    racer Guest

  16. Mark Leuck

    Mark Leuck Guest

    I can watch em for ya Robert :)

  17. RH.Campbell

    RH.Campbell Guest

    Is your house that big....:)))


  18. RH.Campbell wrote
    I'll take the overflow here, Robert. I'll keep them clean, and exercise
    them regularly. :)
  19. Mark Leuck

    Mark Leuck Guest

    I have a garage :)

  20. RH.Campbell

    RH.Campbell Guest

    You got it dead right !! Truer words were never spoken.....!!!!!!!!


    The beginning of the "slippery slope"


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