Global Warming hits the Eastcoast !

[John Larkin]

Grahm,
Hot is hot, no matter how you "analyze" it. Today's cars generate much
more heat and there is many more cars than 30 years ago. No science
involved Sherlock, just plain old common sense, I was blessed with and
you.........

In about a minute of googling a couple of numbers, and without even
using a calculator, you can compute the approximate amount of heat
dumped by all the cars in the usa, expressed relative to the net solar
heat influx. That calculation will hint at the utility of "No science
involved, just common sense."

John

 

[Pooh Bear]

Grahm,
Hot is hot, no matter how you "analyze" it. Today's cars generate much
more heat and there is many more cars than 30 years ago. No science
involved Sherlock, just plain old common sense, I was blessed with and
you.........

I was simply pointing out that the heat generated is in direct relation to
the quantity of fuel used, as opposed to internal working temperatures
where higher temps often means improved efficiency which actually reduces
the overal heat output, like for like.

Of course if certain countries in particular would consider using smaller
engined vehicles then this problem could be vastly ameliorated. Many of
today's cars have power well beyond what is actually reasonably *required*
for personal transportation and as such, this profiligate use of energy
can be considered to be a luxury use.

Graham

 

[Jim Thompson]

I was simply pointing out that the heat generated is in direct relation to
the quantity of fuel used, as opposed to internal working temperatures
where higher temps often means improved efficiency which actually reduces
the overal heat output, like for like.

Of course if certain countries in particular would consider using smaller
engined vehicles then this problem could be vastly ameliorated. Many of
today's cars have power well beyond what is actually reasonably *required*
for personal transportation and as such, this profiligate use of energy
can be considered to be a luxury use.

Graham

Naaah! I find 340 HP and 333 ft-lb just right ;-)

...Jim Thompson
--
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| Phoenix, Arizona Voice480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
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Yellow Journalism has returned with a new definition... I'm afraid!

 

[carneyke]

Graham , Jim & John
Sorry for being rude and ignorant. This thread is really going all
kinds of places, which makes debate interesting as these Off Topic
subjects often do. I have a lot of respect for you Engineers and don't
have the brain power to compete (I'm a lowly tech !). In the last 25
years I've noticed some things and have pointed them out in this
thread. Yes, we may be having an overall warming of our climate but we
just broke records with this snowfall. Maybe the cars have nothing to
do with it, maybe they do. Maybe the banning of pesticides has brought
back migratory birds but has rendered many outdoor activities obsolete.
All this in 25 years ! Recycling is a great thing except all the trash
blown out of there bins and landing on the side of the road. I do agree
we need to do something about pollution and our energy usage (I am
playing with a solar heating project this winter). I have always had a
4 cylinder car and didn't get AC until my wife came down with Asthma
(smoker) 6 years ago. I think my point is for everything we do there
will always be a "bad" side and its a shame it gets so political. So
please accept my appollogy for being rude and as Jim wrote "Ignorant".
Sorry Jim.....

 

[Jim Thompson]

Graham , Jim & John
Sorry for being rude and ignorant. This thread is really going all
kinds of places, which makes debate interesting as these Off Topic
subjects often do. I have a lot of respect for you Engineers and don't
have the brain power to compete (I'm a lowly tech !). In the last 25
years I've noticed some things and have pointed them out in this
thread. Yes, we may be having an overall warming of our climate but we
just broke records with this snowfall. Maybe the cars have nothing to
do with it, maybe they do. Maybe the banning of pesticides has brought
back migratory birds but has rendered many outdoor activities obsolete.
All this in 25 years ! Recycling is a great thing except all the trash
blown out of there bins and landing on the side of the road. I do agree
we need to do something about pollution and our energy usage (I am
playing with a solar heating project this winter). I have always had a
4 cylinder car and didn't get AC until my wife came down with Asthma
(smoker) 6 years ago. I think my point is for everything we do there
will always be a "bad" side and its a shame it gets so political. So
please accept my appollogy for being rude and as Jim wrote "Ignorant".
Sorry Jim.....

"Ignorant" simply means "without knowledge". You'll get over it ;-)

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

Yellow Journalism has returned with a new definition... I'm afraid!

 

[Richard the Dreaded Libertarian]

Yep. And Cheney was practicing up today also ;-)

...Jim Thompson

Yeah, with "friends" like that, who the hell needs enemies?

Thanks,
Rich

 

[Richard the Dreaded Libertarian]

On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 22:57:32 +0000, Ken Smith wrote:
[snipped global warming hysteria rants]

... we
have concluded that it is best to "play it safe".

First, who's "we"? Got a mouse in your pocket?

And what, exactly, does "play it safe" mean, when discussing this
"global warming" crapola? Curtail all human activity? Make everybody
move into caves and become hunter-gatherers? Prohibit combustion?

And then, after we've all descended into the savagery that seems to
be the Chicken Littles' agenda, what do you recommend that "we" do
when it turns out that it hasn't made any difference at all?

Is that an experiment we really want to undertake?

Thanks,
Rich

 

[Pig Bladder]

Very true.

Even the US contingent that say it's *not* due to human activity don't dismiss
the effect of CO2 in the atmosphere though AFAIK. They simply dispute how much
an influence it is.

The sane conclusion therefore is to limit CO2 ( and other greenhouse gas )
emissions since it can at worst do no harm to do so !

Graham

Yeah, that's it! Plug up all of the volcanoes!

 

[Richard the Dreaded Libertarian]

[...]
We also don't all understand the biology of bird flu or the chemstry of
chemical weapons, nor the physics of atomic ones. On each of these we
have concluded that it is best to "play it safe".

"We"??

I am afraid that *I* do not know exactly who "we" are and I do not quite now
what "safe" is either, except for simple cause-effect things.

There are such things in life as real risk and imagined risk - the problem
is that the information processing part of the mind is heavily linked to the
emotion system (for speed and efficiency in front of large animals with
teeth) so the risk that invokes the most emotion is seen as the larger one
even when it is plainly ludicrous. The imagined risk is larger because it
has more emotional clout.

Behavourial scientists f.ex. have managed to sell more life insurances
covering the risk of getting killed in a terrorist attack on an airline than
the alternative insurance of dying on an airline (which of course cover
terrorism as well as obesity and heart disease i.e. *real* risks with high
probabilities).

Media these days feed on selling emotion, not information. The same does
politicians. Positive feedback is set up. I an few years boredom sets in,
emotion dissipates, and "the problem" will disappear. The "war on terror"
will go the way of "the war on drugs". "Global Warming" mutates into
"Climate Change" and then .... it disappears as no emotional mileage can be
gained from it.

I give it Five Years, Tops.

Unfortunately, while the hysteria may pass, the government agencies go on
and on, like a bad penny, or a curse. "The war on drugs" might not be on
the top of everybody's terror list, but the DEA is still there, and there
are still a lot of people in prison for the "crime" of merely _HAVING_
drugs.

And apparently, you're a nonsmoker or don't live in America - the war on
smokers is getting more intense day by day - and if there's any unholy
jihadish crusade, that's it. But, like all religious cults, their faith
overrides any actual scientific fact. That should be obvious - 43% of the
citizens still approve of Bush!

Does George suck Dick?

Thanks,
Rich

 

[Richard the Dreaded Libertarian]

We don't care about elsewhere ;-)

Yes, Jim, We all know you care about nothing but your own fat, satisfied,
white, analog savant ass.

You _do_ tend to get tiresome after a while of listening to you play the
same track over and over and over and over and over and over and over...

Thanks,
Rich

 

[Richard the Dreaded Libertarian]

It's sad that some people feel the need to discredit the attempts by
so-called "liberals" to protect our planet from those who would deplete its
resources, wreak havoc on the environment, and leave a legacy of great
hardships on future generations.

Maybe, but it's a lot less sad than the scenario where the fanatics
install a global totaliarian dictator to shoot people who light a fire
or fart without permission.

Thanks,
Rich

 

[Richard the Dreaded Libertarian]

...funding available).

Ladies and gentlefolk, I believe we have a winner!

Cheers!
Rich

 

[Richard the Dreaded Libertarian]

And you...? You are ignorant.

Yes, Jim. That means he's "teachable". You, on the other hand, are merely
a fool.

Good Luck!
Rich

 

[Richard the Dreaded Libertarian]

Sorry. That was a little pompous on my part.

Don't ever apologize for exposing the folly of a fool. ;-P

And learn how to operate googlegroups - don't click the "reply" link at
the bottom of the post - scroll up to the top of the post, at the header,
and click the "show options" link - then, click _that_ "reply" link, and
google will quote context for you.

Thanks!
Rich

 

[Richard the Dreaded Libertarian]

I was simply pointing out that the heat generated is in direct relation to
the quantity of fuel used, as opposed to internal working temperatures
where higher temps often means improved efficiency which actually reduces
the overal heat output, like for like.

Of course if certain countries in particular would consider using smaller
engined vehicles then this problem could be vastly ameliorated. Many of
today's cars have power well beyond what is actually reasonably *required*
for personal transportation and as such, this profiligate use of energy
can be considered to be a luxury use.

Graham

Hey! That's it! Tax The Rich!

Wonder howcome nobody's thought of that yet? ;-P

Cheers!
Rich (not "the" rich, that's just my name. )-; )

 

[Richard the Dreaded Libertarian]

I was simply pointing out that the heat generated is in direct relation to
the quantity of fuel used, as opposed to internal working temperatures
where higher temps often means improved efficiency which actually reduces
the overal heat output, like for like.

Of course if certain countries in particular would consider using smaller
engined vehicles then this problem could be vastly ameliorated. Many of
today's cars have power well beyond what is actually reasonably *required*
for personal transportation and as such, this profiligate use of energy
can be considered to be a luxury use.

Naaah! I find 340 HP and 333 ft-lb just right ;-)
[/QUOTE]

Have you beat the train to the crossing yet? ;-)

Conspicuous consumption is, after all, the hallmark of the rich, white,
fat, happy idiot savants.

Good Luck!
Rich

 

[Richard the Dreaded Libertarian]

Graham , Jim & John
Sorry for being rude and ignorant.

You're sucking up to the wrong trolls.

"Ignorant" means "teachable." "Stupid" means "I refuse to learn".
Graham, Jim, and at least one of the Johns around here are kind of
brain-damaged, and need adult supervision.

And just because some neocon weenie calls you "rude" doesn't mean
you're supposed to bow and scrape before them - don't cast your
pearls before swine, and all that.

Cheers!
Rich

 

[John Larkin]

Of course if certain countries in particular would consider using smaller
engined vehicles

Countries don't use vehicles, people use vehicles. But yes, all those
Land Rovers and Rolls and Jags are energy hogs.

John

 

[John Larkin]

You're sucking up to the wrong trolls.

"Ignorant" means "teachable." "Stupid" means "I refuse to learn".
Graham, Jim, and at least one of the Johns around here are kind of
brain-damaged, and need adult supervision.

I always welcome adult supervision, as long as they work for me.

John

 

[Reg Edwards]

But yes, all those

Land Rovers and Rolls and Jags are energy hogs.

=================================

Amongst the most polluting of energy hogs are aircraft engines.

Ban all motor vehicles and airliners and let the World slow down!