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Martin H. Eastburn

Jan 1, 1970
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Just for those that don't know History - Geologic history or have logic.
We are still retreating from the last ice age.

There have been years without summer and years without winter.
Those were 1880's as an example.

Martin

Martin Eastburn
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NRA LOH & Endowment Member
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John Popelish

Jan 1, 1970
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Don Klipstein wrote:
(snip)
Looks like some recent record-big blizzards did not stop the world from
having its hottest year on record as a continuation of a recent-decades
upward trend, and less lignificantly the USA from having its hottest
January on record - should one more blizzard make much difference?

Global warming does not necessarily imply less snow, since warmer air
holds more moisture than colder air, allowing it to deliver more snow.
Only when global warming brings a particular location above the
freezing point, does it imply rain instead of snow. Expect places
that normally have had dry, cold winters to have warmer winters with
lots more snow. Till it gets lots warmer.
 
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Pooh Bear

Jan 1, 1970
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John said:
Don Klipstein wrote:
(snip)

Global warming does not necessarily imply less snow, since warmer air
holds more moisture than colder air, allowing it to deliver more snow.
Only when global warming brings a particular location above the
freezing point, does it imply rain instead of snow. Expect places
that normally have had dry, cold winters to have warmer winters with
lots more snow. Till it gets lots warmer.

The warming is best measured by sea temp not air temp. There's a lot more
energy tied up in seawater than the atmosphere.

Note also that Katrina was as bad as it was due to higher sea temps in the
Atlantic and Gulf that also ensured that the air was moisture-laden thus
helping to increase the severity of the Hurricane.

Graham
 
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Paul E. Schoen

Jan 1, 1970
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It's sad that some people feel the need to discredit the attempts by
so-called "liberals" to protect our planet from those who would deplete its
resources, wreak havoc on the environment, and leave a legacy of great
hardships on future generations. With the recent evidence of poor ethics and
rampant greed on the part of many corporate executives, there is a
continuing need for a counterbalancing effort. If it sometimes seems too
sensitive to seemingly insignificant causes, the environmentalists at least
err on the side of caution. As members of a technological community, we have
an opportunity, and perhaps a duty, to do what we can to promote energy
efficiency and care for our environment. They are small minded people who
smirk about an isolated weather phenomenon such as this storm and believe it
proves years of research to be wrong.

I personally enjoyed the upper body workout provided by shoveling a couple
tons of barely frozen water and slush, for only the second time this season.
The snow covered trees were beautiful to see, but the sagging power lines
were of some concern. Now it looks like the end of the week will see
temperatures again above normal, in the 50s.

Paul E. Schoen
www.peschoen.com
 
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Frithiof Andreas Jensen

Jan 1, 1970
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carneyke said:
Looks like Global Warming has really taken it's toll on the East Coast
today.

"Global Warming" is soo yesterday! The PC name nowadays is "Climate
Change" - a much broader concept that happen to fit the data much better (a
sort of straddle on the research funding available).
 
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Gunner

Jan 1, 1970
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Nah, you've been reading the leftist NY (Pinko) Times and the Bean-Town
(what was that smell) GLOBE again. No snow at all here. ...not one flake.


We got lots of flakes here..but no snow.

<G>

Gunner



"A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them;
the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences."
- Proverbs 22:3
 
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Gunner

Jan 1, 1970
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Top-posting NRA fathead !

Graham

So Pooh..why did you take shit for a nym?

That should be Bear Pooh btw.

Gunner



"A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them;
the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences."
- Proverbs 22:3
 
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Gunner

Jan 1, 1970
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Top-posting NRA fathead !

Snipping Bear Shit!!!

Gunner



"A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them;
the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences."
- Proverbs 22:3
 
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Gunner

Jan 1, 1970
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Top-posting NRA fathead !

Snipping Bear Shit!!!

Gunner



"A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them;
the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences."
- Proverbs 22:3
 
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Frithiof Andreas Jensen

Jan 1, 1970
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Ken Smith said:
The warming isn't very disputed. It is the cause that is being argued
about these days.

So, assuming no dispute and solid science, why is it that the term "Climate
Change" is becoming the preffered term these days??
We also don't all understand the biology of bird flu or the chemstry of
chemical weapons, nor the physics of atomic ones. On each of these we
have concluded that it is best to "play it safe".

"We"??

I am afraid that *I* do not know exactly who "we" are and I do not quite now
what "safe" is either, except for simple cause-effect things.

There are such things in life as real risk and imagined risk - the problem
is that the information processing part of the mind is heavily linked to the
emotion system (for speed and efficiency in front of large animals with
teeth) so the risk that invokes the most emotion is seen as the larger one
even when it is plainly ludicrous. The imagined risk is larger because it
has more emotional clout.

Behavourial scientists f.ex. have managed to sell more life insurances
covering the risk of getting killed in a terrorist attack on an airline than
the alternative insurance of dying on an airline (which of course cover
terrorism as well as obesity and heart disease i.e. *real* risks with high
probabilities).

Media these days feed on selling emotion, not information. The same does
politicians. Positive feedback is set up. I an few years boredom sets in,
emotion dissipates, and "the problem" will disappear. The "war on terror"
will go the way of "the war on drugs". "Global Warming" mutates into
"Climate Change" and then .... it disappears as no emotional mileage can be
gained from it.

I give it Five Years, Tops.

PS:

See Kahneman and Twersky on wikipedia (down now, of course).
 
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carneyke

Jan 1, 1970
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Yeah, I am a little behind the times (Climate Change terminology being
in Vouge). On a serious note, this summer I read an article on
automobile registration in the USA. In 1975 (year I graduated from High
School) there were roughly 130 million cars registered. Today it is
around 280 million cars (I may be off on these numbers slightly).
Anyway, if you remember, cars ran at 160 degree F back then and today
they run at 200 degree F. They also have that hot little catalytic
converter. I truly believe, the doubling of cars (with catalytic
converters) and the 25 % increase in engine temperature must have some
effect on the atmosphere. I know this has been kicked around but the
article really opened my eyes to the heat generated by cars. I guess
this is a case of fixing one problem and creating another. Take Care
......
 
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Pooh Bear

Jan 1, 1970
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carneyke said:
Yeah, I am a little behind the times (Climate Change terminology being
in Vouge). On a serious note, this summer I read an article on
automobile registration in the USA. In 1975 (year I graduated from High
School) there were roughly 130 million cars registered. Today it is
around 280 million cars (I may be off on these numbers slightly).
Anyway, if you remember, cars ran at 160 degree F back then and today
they run at 200 degree F. They also have that hot little catalytic
converter. I truly believe, the doubling of cars (with catalytic
converters) and the 25 % increase in engine temperature must have some
effect on the atmosphere. I know this has been kicked around but the
article really opened my eyes to the heat generated by cars. I guess
this is a case of fixing one problem and creating another. Take Care

That's pretty bad science.

The *thermal pollution* caused by cars is in direct relation to the qty of
fuel burnt. The temperature of various parts doesn't matter at all.

Improved mpg results in lower thermal pollution.

Graham
 
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Ken Smith

Jan 1, 1970
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So, assuming no dispute and solid science, why is it that the term "Climate
Change" is becoming the preffered term these days??

I'll answer that if you tell me why they don't say weightless about people
in orbit anymore.



Mankind, the human race or those reading this will do as the referent for
"we". Pick which ever you like the statement is correct in each case.
I am afraid that *I* do not know exactly who "we" are

Have you seen anyone about these unreasonable fears? :)
 
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carneyke

Jan 1, 1970
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Grahm,
Hot is hot, no matter how you "analyze" it. Today's cars generate much
more heat and there is many more cars than 30 years ago. No science
involved Sherlock, just plain old common sense, I was blessed with and
you.........
 
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Jim Thompson

Jan 1, 1970
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Grahm,
Hot is hot, no matter how you "analyze" it. Today's cars generate much
more heat and there is many more cars than 30 years ago. No science
involved Sherlock, just plain old common sense, I was blessed with and
you.........

And you...? You are ignorant.

...Jim Thompson
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carneyke

Jan 1, 1970
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25 years ago when every town sprayed for mosquitos you could camp /
hike / hunt anywhere without being infested with ticks. Then all
pesticide usage was stopped (early 1980's). Today the Northeast is
covered with ticks making most forested areas useless other than taking
pictures of or painting. I will admit the migratory bird hunting has
gotten better, although the deer are covered with ticks when you get
one. I am not advicating the use of pesticides but some things done in
the early 80's haven't worked out very well.
 
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