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  1. P E Schoen

    P E Schoen Guest

    "benj" wrote in message
    Except you fail to provide a cite for this accusation. Here's what I found:
    http://thinkprogress.org/climate/20...ek-nasa-james-hansen-deniers-climate-science/
    http://blog.chron.com/sciguy/2008/06/james-hansen-wants-to-send-energy-ceo-deniers-to-jail/
    http://westcoastclimateequity.org/2...proposal-the-peoples-climate-stewardship-act/
    http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080208095230AAakklS
    http://articles.washingtonpost.com/...1_climate-change-climate-model-normal-climate

    But considering the fact that deniers may be responsible for the deaths of
    millions of people if they succeed at allowing Big Energy to continue its
    attempts to bypass environmental safeguards for their profit-based agenda, a
    death sentence may very well be appropriate. Even if the evidence for AGW
    were not quite so overwhelming, and even if it were found to be wrong, the
    present "business as usual" of irresponsible burning of a precious and
    irreplaceable resource (crude oil), is simply WRONG. And the so-called
    "clean coal" and natural gas from fracking are environmentally damaging. Why
    are deniers such as yourself so adamant and vociferous in your attacks on
    those who advocate renewable energy and the adoption of major efficiency
    improvements? What do those cost you, compared to the probability of
    environmental disasters of increasing frequency and unprecedented magnitude?
    The mind boggles, and there is simply no possibility of rational discussion
    with you and your ilk.

    Paul
     
  2. Guest

    The hysterical AGW doomsayers...sigh. Panicked over something that'll
    never happen, but in utter denial over real, calculable fiscal
    realities such as U.S.' overspending (1.84x revenues so far this
    year). Emotion over math.

    Fossil-haters are likely to kill countless millions in Africa, India,
    China, etc., when all's said and done, condemning billions more to
    abject, miserable poverty.

    Burning food to make Al Gore's ethanol already has killed countless
    masses in poor countries all over, and likely affected (if not
    effected) the Arab instabilities last year.
     
  3. P E Schoen

    P E Schoen Guest

    wrote in message
    Those who recognize the reality of AGW, or even the mostly uncontested fact
    of global warming from whatever cause, are hardly as hysterical as the
    deniers, who tend to flail their arms wildly and scream obscenities and
    tremble in fear of an imagined global conspiracy much larger and more
    heinous than the very real and dangerous collusion of Big Energy in their
    quest for profit with no regard for environmental damage and the human toll
    that exacts.
    How does the adoption of sustainable energy sources and greater efficiency
    cause all these deaths and poverty? You are clearly delusional.
    Yes, ethanol from corn was not a wise choice, but there are better sources,
    and your claim of millions killed is crazy talk. The ultimate answer will be
    much improved energy efficiency and reduced per capita consumption by means
    of cooperative living arrangements and reduction of the dependency on
    individual transportation and unreasonably long commutes. If we eliminate
    our presence in the Persian Gulf we will diminish funding of terrorists and
    their targeting of US interests.

    Paul
     
  4. Guest

    There is no contradiction here. Both are leftist/statist power grab
    strategies.
    Even if the oceans don't rise, taxes will. Ever notice how more taxes
    are the solution to *every* problem, real or perceived?
    The left only talks about caring.
     
  5. tm

    tm Guest

    The hysterical AGW doomsayers...sigh. Panicked over something that'll
    never happen, but in utter denial over real, calculable fiscal
    realities such as U.S.' overspending (1.84x revenues so far this
    year). Emotion over math.

    Fossil-haters are likely to kill countless millions in Africa, India,
    China, etc., when all's said and done, condemning billions more to
    abject, miserable poverty.

    Burning food to make Al Gore's ethanol already has killed countless
    masses in poor countries all over, and likely affected (if not
    effected) the Arab instabilities last year.

    --
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Isn't worldwide population reduction one of the lefts' ultimate goals?

    You know, save the earth.
     
  6. Guest

    There aren't enough caves for all 4,000,000,000.
     
  7. Guest

    Can't use them. They're not "natural".
     
  8. Wally W.

    Wally W. Guest

    Isn't worldwide population reduction one of the lefts' ultimate goals?
    I doubt they have worked this out well.

    Surely, they would want the best of health care and many toys, both
    require substantial technology bases. Then there would be
    entertainment of various types: movies, concerts, multiple TV
    channels, literature. Transportation, building, agriculture, energy
    production, resource acquistion (don't say "mining" to a greenie)
    would all need workers. Not to mention protection from all the
    wildlife the weasels admire from afar. Many specialists would be
    unsustainable. The shining lights who are one in a billion now
    wouldn't exist in their "paradise."

    I question whether the world the monsters say they want could be
    maintained with 500 million people.
     
  9. Wally W.

    Wally W. Guest

    There would be fewer without the infrastructure to allow the ones who
    do contribute to technology and science.

    If those who do contribute to technology and science had to spend more
    time doing laundy, mowing the grass, and shoveling snow, they would
    produce less technology and science. They would have less time and
    less energy to do so.

    As the productivity of tech/science sources diminished, the advances
    and maintenance in the medical care and toys of the super rich would
    diminish.

    The level of technology in use would spiral downward due to lack of
    sustainability.

    The world created (or stolen) by those who worship at the altar of
    sustainability would be unsustainable.
    To the extent that it is true (and I am not fully conceding that it
    is), it doesn't extend to 6.5 / 7 = 93% of the world population.

    What about the shining light who was one in a billion and came from
    Africa?

    We can't know who in the world is expendable:

    The Butterfly Effect - Part 3
    Especially starting at time stamp 7:10
     
  10. benj

    benj Guest

    Well, yes, but the invention of AIDS has done remarkable things toward
    the goals in both Africa AND California! India seems to be dealing with
    it's own positive feedback meltdown.
    Why given the new powers, HE is the one who will decide who lives and
    dies!
    And this is the problem with Eugenics. The Malthusian theory is that if
    you need to depopulate the earth, one might as well get rid of the
    undesirables first. The only problem with this idea is that under such a
    program Tesla, Edison, Steinmetz, Hawking and so many others would have
    all been killed. Hitler, of course, after learning of American Eugenics
    theories became a HUGE fan, setting up gas chambers complete with fake
    showerheads etc, but logical thinking was never his strong suite. So he
    kicked all the Jews out of the Reich and they all went to America where
    as Rectal Swartz would say there was the Manhattan project with more Jews
    per square meter than anywhere in the world assuring that even had he WON
    the battle of the bulge, his wondrous Reich would have still ended up
    toast.

    Point being that trying to get rid of "undesirables" is just as likely to
    get rid of your salvation, because you can't really tell just WHO will
    eventually come up with something really important.
     
  11. Wally W.

    Wally W. Guest

    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+1:46&version=KJV
    Can there any good thing come out of Nazareth?
     
  12. George Orr

    George Orr Guest

    Can you change the present/future? (note the nym this was posted with)
     
  13. Wally W.

    Wally W. Guest

    I don't think it *can* work.
    Among those "more mouths to feed" is an occasional outlier.

    And all those "more mouths to feed" are human beings with a birthright
    to dignity.

    Which is not the highest value in all contexts.
    Many who don't "value science and technology" are "removing the yoke
    of the mundane chores of living" from *someone* every day.
    That can't be known. History seems to suggest otherwise.

    The top-level control you suggest is ultimately destructive.

    Their "Utopia" would not be safe from revolution without it.

    Most people don't engrave their brain farts on stone as a shrine.
     
  14. Mahipal

    Mahipal Guest

    Thanks for the warning. What's that saying... Do onto others before
    they do onto you? As if living wasn't fearful enough already.
    Marilyn Monroe sure did get around a lot, the slut, the blonde, I
    mean. Was there anyone in her era not in her dress? O wait... she had
    no time to need to wear one. All are born nude, she even exited stage
    left that wa(y).

    Who else besides Einstein ever got a Rock Star treatment? Some
    questions, like this one, are rhetorical. Media History speaks for
    itself.
    Why "provide the intelligent a living" when the ones allegedly capable
    of controlling the providing, really need and want, the adoring
    intelligence challenged masses to daily tweet in their praises of
    them. Volume of people serves their egos deeply in their otherwise
    lonely existence.

    Enjo(y)... Cheers!
     
  15. Mahipal

    Mahipal Guest

    Precisely why we engineers are resorting to building women.
    Explains why the unemployment rates are at an all time low the Earth
    over.

    Geeks are still not very "social" no matter how they've hijacked the
    business and technology world to exact their revenge. To Serve Man is
    to Social Media. Thanks Geeks! Hey, cool sunglasses? What augmented
    reality glasses? Only projects images of yourself -- how predictable
    -- I mean sweet.
    Don't forget to like and share everything on the geek turf.

    Enjo(y)... Cheers!
     
  16. Mahipal

    Mahipal Guest

    Are you really that cheap geek -- wait that's redundant -- that you
    could not leave my short paragraph intact? Well, that you dissected it
    already answers my question. Running short on bits inventory... I
    presume.

    I've not been in my new neighbor's house on any night either. So what?
    That the geeks are social in The Monk's Kettle and are all the while
    exacting further revenge still. Over beers at that. Nice. What did
    they conspire Friday yesterday?

    I too like to drink. WIll stop by The Monk's Kettle when next in their
    town. Fairly certain, the geeks will be too preoccupied checking
    themselves out in their narcissistic augmented reality glasses to even
    notice my physical presence next to them. Their social texting virtual
    projected self tailored world trumps daily actual reality. Perhaps
    another bar will serve me better.

    Enjo(y)... Cheers!
     
  17. P E Schoen

    P E Schoen Guest

    "Marvin the Martian" wrote in message
    If you read the content of the inscriptions, it does not advocate genocide.
    Such a population reduction could be achieved within one or two generations
    merely by offering voluntary sterilization or an annual tax credit or bonus
    for remaining childless. Perhaps such a condition should be mandatory for
    anyone receiving public assistance. Thus only those who have the
    intelligence, work ethics, and other skills required to contribute to
    society, and raise a child properly, would find it financially possible to
    have children.

    The drastic cutbacks proposed by "righteous" conservatives to welfare and
    health care is a crueler form of population control, and could be labeled
    genocide.
    There is an unhealthy attitude toward intelligence and achievement,
    especially in the ghetto culture where gangs and violence and criminal
    activity is glorified, and it extends somewhat into suburban culture through
    the admiration of gangsta rap and video games and violent sports, that
    glorify blood and gore and rebellion against established authority. But
    there are also many who admire the likes of Bill Gates and Steve Jobs and
    realize that science and technology can provide a means to a very
    comfortable lifestyle.
    That is a very reasonable proposal. It also coincides with my belief that we
    will need to adopt a system of intentional communities which may be formed
    on the basis of some common interests. There should also be some diversity,
    and it will be necessary to balance intellectual ability with some level of
    athletics, physical fitness, and team sports, as well as appreciation for
    nature and the roles we play in the perpetuation and advancement of our
    species. We need to live in harmony with each other and the environment.

    Paul
    www.newkoinonia.com
     
  18. Mahipal

    Mahipal Guest

    The high unemployment rates prove altruism is dead.

    I wish you the best of times with your friends John. Salute.

    You did not know this, but I hate it when posters edit the content of
    others' posts, not just mine, when responding. When you edit my
    paragraphs, you change my meaning for those who may read downstream.
    It's like you feign you are doing the downstreamers a favor. So nice
    of you. In fact, such mindless or not editing, is a misrepresentation
    and a disservice. By default, I assume posters who edit this way, are
    being manipulative -- not just saving bits.

    Now that I've explained myself... all the best and happy New Years!

    Enjo(y)... Cheers!
     
  19. Guest

    The above makes absolutely NO sense.

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