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  1. Larry

    Larry Guest

    I am putting in a security system for a new home under construction.
    The house is 2 story, with all casement simulated divided lite windows,
    and several double french doors on both floors. It's for an older
    couple with 2 small dogs, no children.

    Normally I'd do the standard motions + contacts, but this time I was
    leaning toward a perimeter system with magnetic contacts on all doors
    and windows, and glass breaks near each window, probably Intellisense
    FG-1525's. Maybe a couple of motions for backup. The idea of sounding
    an alarm BEFORE the intruder was inside intrigued me.

    However, I've seen several comments that all glass break detectors will
    false if a heavy thunderstorm is near. This is North Carolina - there's
    often a heavy thunderstorm near in the summer.

    What is the experience out there with current glass break detectors? If
    they false when a thunderstorm is near, they'd be useless, right?
     
  2. Hi Larry,

    I've used glass break detectors for many years with very good results. My
    installations were mostly in southern New England where summer T-storms are
    common though certainly not as common as they are here (Florida). Visonic's
    glass breaks proved very good in terms of catch performance and limited
    false alarms.

    However, you are right about nearby thunderstorms. If there's a storm
    raging very close by, they will sometimes false. By "close" I mean directly
    overhead. The Visonics I used did not usually false unless the storm was
    very intense. I would not recommend them in Florida because T-storms are
    virtually a daily occurrence during summer here.

    Also note that Visonic now has a 1600 series of glass breaks. Having sold
    my alarm company several years ago, I now sell online and Visonic glass
    break detectors are among our most popular sensors. I've sold many hundreds
    of FG-1625 units and have had very few trouble reports.

    --

    Regards,
    Robert L Bass

    =============================>
    Bass Home Electronics
    2291 Pine View Circle
    Sarasota · Florida · 34231
    877-722-8900 Sales & Tech Support
    http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
    =============================>
     
  3. alarman

    alarman Guest

    I have had glass breaks false from barking dogs as well.
    js
     
  4. Mel

    Mel Guest

    Friend of mine has false alarms when the dishwasher is running and the
    plates and glasses jiggle around. This is a professionally installed high
    priced system, not a do-it-yerself, not an ADT free system.

    Bob
     
  5. Use better glass breaks. They are reliable. I have used Caddx 2000 series
    and Intellisense FG730's for many years with no problems. Tried the GE-RND
    and it does false with many household noises.
    Allan
     
  6. alarman

    alarman Guest

    It's the nature of the beast. Glass break detectors are microphones. Lots of
    household noises will set them off occasionally.
    js
     
  7. Glass break detectors are microphones. Lots of
    Correction -- Glass break detectors *contain* microphones. Good ones also
    contain circuitry to help them ignore most non-alarm sounds.

    --

    Regards,
    Robert L Bass

    =============================>
    Bass Home Electronics
    2291 Pine View Circle
    Sarasota · Florida · 34231
    877-722-8900 Sales & Tech Support
    http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
    =============================>
     
  8. I have hundreds (almost a thousand) of them out there...a good gb properly placed will reduce the chances of lightning falses.

    For instance you would NOT want to place a gb above the stainless steel kitchen sink..that kind thing.

    I've had a few go off from lightning storms...mostly from dishes falling, or people taking a shower then slamming the shower door shut. But far less falses than pirs.

    I use them in 99% of my installs - in conjunction with a *least* one pir.
     
  9. Mark Leuck

    Mark Leuck Guest

    Now thats being anal
     
  10. Now thats being anal

    I defer to your expertise.
     
  11. Correction--*Audio* Glass break
    Most non-acoustic glass breaks contain
    --

    Regards,
    Robert L Bass

    =============================>
    Bass Home Electronics
    2291 Pine View Circle
    Sarasota · Florida · 34231
    877-722-8900 Sales & Tech Support
    http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
    =============================>
     
  12. Norm Mugford

    Norm Mugford Guest

    Mark...In Mr.Bass's eyes that's not being anal.

    That's the code according to Bass......

    Norm Mugford
     
  13. mikey

    mikey Guest

    Are you putting them on 24hr loops?

    I have hundreds (almost a thousand) of them out there...a good gb properly
    placed will reduce the chances of lightning falses.

    For instance you would NOT want to place a gb above the stainless steel
    kitchen sink..that kind thing.

    I've had a few go off from lightning storms...mostly from dishes falling, or
    people taking a shower then slamming the shower door shut. But far less
    falses than pirs.

    I use them in 99% of my installs - in conjunction with a *least* one pir.
     
  14. In the beginning I used to put them on 24hr, but stopped after a few years. I put them on Perimeter zone...most of my people arm their systems Stay/Home when they're home...seems a good compromise.
     
  15. In the beginning I used to put them on 24hr, but stopped after a few
    I like to set them up as Interior-2 zones to prevent false alarms from
    family activity. These zones would be armed while away and at night but not
    during the evening when only the perimeter is set but no motion detectors
    are on.

    Some families prefer to have them armed whenever the system is on and I
    would abide by the client's wishes.

    --

    Regards,
    Robert L Bass

    =============================>
    Bass Home Electronics
    2291 Pine View Circle
    Sarasota · Florida · 34231
    877-722-8900 Sales & Tech Support
    http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
    =============================>
     
  16. I don't think my clients would be smart enough to understand that arrangement!
     
  17. I don't think my clients would be smart
    It's just a programming option on the Napco P9600. Press [Interior] once to
    for evening and twice for night mode. The display toggles between "I1",
    "I2", etc. Then arm the system.

    That one's simple compared to some of the residences we protected. When we
    did Orthodox Jewish homes I would run the power to motion and glass break
    detectors through a programmable relay. The relay would transfer while the
    system was disarmed, killing power to PIRs and GBs and then the system would
    auto-arm, leaving the interior detectors dead. This was necessary to make
    the system compliant with Orthodox rules concerning the Sabbath and various
    holy days.

    After a while even very complex installations seem almost mundane. :^)

    --

    Regards,
    Robert L Bass

    =============================>
    Bass Home Electronics
    2291 Pine View Circle
    Sarasota · Florida · 34231
    877-722-8900 Sales & Tech Support
    http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
    =============================>
     
  18. Norm Mugford

    Norm Mugford Guest

    Mr. Bass wrote (lied):

    "When we did Orthodox Jewish homes I would run the power to motion and glass
    break
    detectors through a programmable relay. The relay would transfer while the
    system was disarmed, killing power to PIRs and GBs and then the system
    would
    auto-arm, leaving the interior detectors dead. This was necessary to make
    the system compliant with Orthodox rules concerning the Sabbath and various
    holy days".

    Sure Mr. Bass. You always sold according to the customers religion!
    Lets see, on a catholic home you pointed the motion on the Virgin Mary.
    On a Baptist home you pointed the glassbreak towards the dinnerware,
    so that when they break bread it would be bypassed. And, on a Budist home
    you pointed the keypad towards Mecca..........

    You're so full of BS Mr. Bass...........The programmable relay that you
    supposedly installed was of course "approved" to operate as designed,
    right Mr. Bass. And was that written in the "Code of Bass?"

    Whooppsssssssssss......................Caught you again Mr. Bass

    You Lied, You Lied, You Lied, again Mr. Bass

    Tick, Tick, ti,,,,,,,,,,,................________________________


    Norm Mugford








     
  19. Frank Olson

    Frank Olson Guest


    <snip>

    Norm:

    You have obviously not dealt with anyone that's an orthodox Jew. Do a
    Google. On the Sabbath they're not supposed to push any buttons or use
    electricity (can't disarm their home security system, dial the phone or even
    turn on a light switch).

    http://judaism.about.com/od/sabbathdayshabb2/f/electricity.htm
    http://judaism.about.com/od/sabbathdayshabb2/f/car.htm
    http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6660239/
    http://www.science-halacha.com/elec/elec_eng_C1.htm
     
  20. Sure Mr. Bass. You always sold according
    I sold and designed systems to suit the client's needs. One of the systems
    which I designed for an Orthodox synagogue was featured in Napco's national
    newsletter.
    Isn't that Islam?
    Another "professional" contribution to the security newsgroup from the vice
    chair of the Florida ECLB. Nice wirk, Mr. Mugford.
    If you knew the first thing about Napco security systems you'd also know
    about their RB-3008 programmable relay boards. But then, it appears you
    have nothing to contribute here but abuse. "Out of the abundance of the
    heart the mouth speaks," eh?

    --

    Regards,
    Robert L Bass

    =============================>
    Bass Home Electronics
    2291 Pine View Circle
    Sarasota · Florida · 34231
    877-722-8900 Sales & Tech Support
    http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
    =============================>
     
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