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Larry

Jan 1, 1970
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I am putting in a security system for a new home under construction.
The house is 2 story, with all casement simulated divided lite windows,
and several double french doors on both floors. It's for an older
couple with 2 small dogs, no children.

Normally I'd do the standard motions + contacts, but this time I was
leaning toward a perimeter system with magnetic contacts on all doors
and windows, and glass breaks near each window, probably Intellisense
FG-1525's. Maybe a couple of motions for backup. The idea of sounding
an alarm BEFORE the intruder was inside intrigued me.

However, I've seen several comments that all glass break detectors will
false if a heavy thunderstorm is near. This is North Carolina - there's
often a heavy thunderstorm near in the summer.

What is the experience out there with current glass break detectors? If
they false when a thunderstorm is near, they'd be useless, right?
 
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Robert L. Bass

Jan 1, 1970
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Hi Larry,

I've used glass break detectors for many years with very good results. My
installations were mostly in southern New England where summer T-storms are
common though certainly not as common as they are here (Florida). Visonic's
glass breaks proved very good in terms of catch performance and limited
false alarms.

However, you are right about nearby thunderstorms. If there's a storm
raging very close by, they will sometimes false. By "close" I mean directly
overhead. The Visonics I used did not usually false unless the storm was
very intense. I would not recommend them in Florida because T-storms are
virtually a daily occurrence during summer here.

Also note that Visonic now has a 1600 series of glass breaks. Having sold
my alarm company several years ago, I now sell online and Visonic glass
break detectors are among our most popular sensors. I've sold many hundreds
of FG-1625 units and have had very few trouble reports.

--

Regards,
Robert L Bass

=============================>
Bass Home Electronics
2291 Pine View Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34231
877-722-8900 Sales & Tech Support
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
=============================>
 
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alarman

Jan 1, 1970
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Larry said:
I am putting in a security system for a new home under construction.
The house is 2 story, with all casement simulated divided lite
windows, and several double french doors on both floors. It's for an
older couple with 2 small dogs, no children.

Normally I'd do the standard motions + contacts, but this time I was
leaning toward a perimeter system with magnetic contacts on all doors
and windows, and glass breaks near each window, probably Intellisense
FG-1525's. Maybe a couple of motions for backup. The idea of sounding
an alarm BEFORE the intruder was inside intrigued me.

However, I've seen several comments that all glass break detectors
will false if a heavy thunderstorm is near. This is North Carolina -
there's often a heavy thunderstorm near in the summer.

What is the experience out there with current glass break detectors?
If they false when a thunderstorm is near, they'd be useless, right?

I have had glass breaks false from barking dogs as well.
js
 
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Mel

Jan 1, 1970
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alarman said:
I have had glass breaks false from barking dogs as well.
js
Friend of mine has false alarms when the dishwasher is running and the
plates and glasses jiggle around. This is a professionally installed high
priced system, not a do-it-yerself, not an ADT free system.

Bob
 
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Allan Waghalter

Jan 1, 1970
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Use better glass breaks. They are reliable. I have used Caddx 2000 series
and Intellisense FG730's for many years with no problems. Tried the GE-RND
and it does false with many household noises.
Allan
 
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alarman

Jan 1, 1970
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Mel said:
Friend of mine has false alarms when the dishwasher is running and the
plates and glasses jiggle around. This is a professionally installed
high priced system, not a do-it-yerself, not an ADT free system.

Bob

It's the nature of the beast. Glass break detectors are microphones. Lots of
household noises will set them off occasionally.
js
 
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Robert L. Bass

Jan 1, 1970
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Glass break detectors are microphones. Lots of
household noises will set them off occasionally.

Correction -- Glass break detectors *contain* microphones. Good ones also
contain circuitry to help them ignore most non-alarm sounds.

--

Regards,
Robert L Bass

=============================>
Bass Home Electronics
2291 Pine View Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34231
877-722-8900 Sales & Tech Support
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
=============================>
 
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Crash Gordon®

Jan 1, 1970
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I have hundreds (almost a thousand) of them out there...a good gb properly placed will reduce the chances of lightning falses.

For instance you would NOT want to place a gb above the stainless steel kitchen sink..that kind thing.

I've had a few go off from lightning storms...mostly from dishes falling, or people taking a shower then slamming the shower door shut. But far less falses than pirs.

I use them in 99% of my installs - in conjunction with a *least* one pir.
 
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Mark Leuck

Jan 1, 1970
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Robert L. Bass said:
Correction -- Glass break detectors *contain* microphones. Good ones also
contain circuitry to help them ignore most non-alarm sounds.

Now thats being anal
 
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Robert L. Bass

Jan 1, 1970
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Now thats being anal

I defer to your expertise.
 
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Robert L. Bass

Jan 1, 1970
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Correction--*Audio* Glass break
detectors contain microphones.

Most non-acoustic glass breaks contain
piezo sensors. Care to guess what
those do and how they function? They
work just like ... you guessed it ...
microphones. :^)

--

Regards,
Robert L Bass

=============================>
Bass Home Electronics
2291 Pine View Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34231
877-722-8900 Sales & Tech Support
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
=============================>
 
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Norm Mugford

Jan 1, 1970
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Mark...In Mr.Bass's eyes that's not being anal.

That's the code according to Bass......

Norm Mugford
 
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mikey

Jan 1, 1970
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Are you putting them on 24hr loops?

I have hundreds (almost a thousand) of them out there...a good gb properly
placed will reduce the chances of lightning falses.

For instance you would NOT want to place a gb above the stainless steel
kitchen sink..that kind thing.

I've had a few go off from lightning storms...mostly from dishes falling, or
people taking a shower then slamming the shower door shut. But far less
falses than pirs.

I use them in 99% of my installs - in conjunction with a *least* one pir.
 
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Crash Gordon®

Jan 1, 1970
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In the beginning I used to put them on 24hr, but stopped after a few years. I put them on Perimeter zone...most of my people arm their systems Stay/Home when they're home...seems a good compromise.
 
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Robert L. Bass

Jan 1, 1970
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In the beginning I used to put them on 24hr, but stopped after a few
years. I put them on Perimeter zone...most of my people arm their systems
Stay/Home when they're home...seems a good compromise.

I like to set them up as Interior-2 zones to prevent false alarms from
family activity. These zones would be armed while away and at night but not
during the evening when only the perimeter is set but no motion detectors
are on.

Some families prefer to have them armed whenever the system is on and I
would abide by the client's wishes.

--

Regards,
Robert L Bass

=============================>
Bass Home Electronics
2291 Pine View Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34231
877-722-8900 Sales & Tech Support
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
=============================>
 
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Crash Gordon®

Jan 1, 1970
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I don't think my clients would be smart enough to understand that arrangement!
 
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Robert L. Bass

Jan 1, 1970
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I don't think my clients would be smart
enough to understand that arrangement!

It's just a programming option on the Napco P9600. Press [Interior] once to
for evening and twice for night mode. The display toggles between "I1",
"I2", etc. Then arm the system.

That one's simple compared to some of the residences we protected. When we
did Orthodox Jewish homes I would run the power to motion and glass break
detectors through a programmable relay. The relay would transfer while the
system was disarmed, killing power to PIRs and GBs and then the system would
auto-arm, leaving the interior detectors dead. This was necessary to make
the system compliant with Orthodox rules concerning the Sabbath and various
holy days.

After a while even very complex installations seem almost mundane. :^)

--

Regards,
Robert L Bass

=============================>
Bass Home Electronics
2291 Pine View Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34231
877-722-8900 Sales & Tech Support
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
=============================>
 
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Norm Mugford

Jan 1, 1970
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Mr. Bass wrote (lied):

"When we did Orthodox Jewish homes I would run the power to motion and glass
break
detectors through a programmable relay. The relay would transfer while the
system was disarmed, killing power to PIRs and GBs and then the system
would
auto-arm, leaving the interior detectors dead. This was necessary to make
the system compliant with Orthodox rules concerning the Sabbath and various
holy days".

Sure Mr. Bass. You always sold according to the customers religion!
Lets see, on a catholic home you pointed the motion on the Virgin Mary.
On a Baptist home you pointed the glassbreak towards the dinnerware,
so that when they break bread it would be bypassed. And, on a Budist home
you pointed the keypad towards Mecca..........

You're so full of BS Mr. Bass...........The programmable relay that you
supposedly installed was of course "approved" to operate as designed,
right Mr. Bass. And was that written in the "Code of Bass?"

Whooppsssssssssss......................Caught you again Mr. Bass

You Lied, You Lied, You Lied, again Mr. Bass

Tick, Tick, ti,,,,,,,,,,,................________________________


Norm Mugford








Robert L. Bass said:
I don't think my clients would be smart
enough to understand that arrangement!

It's just a programming option on the Napco P9600. Press [Interior] once to
for evening and twice for night mode. The display toggles between "I1",
"I2", etc. Then arm the system.

That one's simple compared to some of the residences we protected. When we
did Orthodox Jewish homes I would run the power to motion and glass break
detectors through a programmable relay. The relay would transfer while the
system was disarmed, killing power to PIRs and GBs and then the system would
auto-arm, leaving the interior detectors dead. This was necessary to make
the system compliant with Orthodox rules concerning the Sabbath and various
holy days.

After a while even very complex installations seem almost mundane. :^)

--

Regards,
Robert L Bass

=============================>
Bass Home Electronics
2291 Pine View Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34231
877-722-8900 Sales & Tech Support
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
=============================>
 
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Frank Olson

Jan 1, 1970
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Norm Mugford said:
Mr. Bass wrote (lied):

"When we did Orthodox Jewish homes I would run the power to motion and
glass
break
detectors through a programmable relay. The relay would transfer while
the
system was disarmed, killing power to PIRs and GBs and then the system
would
auto-arm, leaving the interior detectors dead. This was necessary to make
the system compliant with Orthodox rules concerning the Sabbath and
various
holy days".

Sure Mr. Bass. You always sold according to the customers religion!


<snip>

Norm:

You have obviously not dealt with anyone that's an orthodox Jew. Do a
Google. On the Sabbath they're not supposed to push any buttons or use
electricity (can't disarm their home security system, dial the phone or even
turn on a light switch).

http://judaism.about.com/od/sabbathdayshabb2/f/electricity.htm
http://judaism.about.com/od/sabbathdayshabb2/f/car.htm
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6660239/
http://www.science-halacha.com/elec/elec_eng_C1.htm
 
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Robert L. Bass

Jan 1, 1970
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Sure Mr. Bass. You always sold according
to the customers religion!

I sold and designed systems to suit the client's needs. One of the systems
which I designed for an Orthodox synagogue was featured in Napco's national
newsletter.
... on a Budist home you pointed the
keypad towards Mecca..........

Isn't that Islam?
You're so full of BS Mr. Bass...........

Norm Mugford

Another "professional" contribution to the security newsgroup from the vice
chair of the Florida ECLB. Nice wirk, Mr. Mugford.
The programmable relay that you supposedly
installed was of course "approved" to operate
as designed, right Mr. Bass.

If you knew the first thing about Napco security systems you'd also know
about their RB-3008 programmable relay boards. But then, it appears you
have nothing to contribute here but abuse. "Out of the abundance of the
heart the mouth speaks," eh?

--

Regards,
Robert L Bass

=============================>
Bass Home Electronics
2291 Pine View Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34231
877-722-8900 Sales & Tech Support
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
=============================>
 
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