GFCI again

[Tzortzakakis Dimitrios]

Today, I had to sign for someone because he needed to re-get electricity in
his premises to lent them.The new greek internal installation code says that
it is compulsory to install a GFCI breaker in the service panel.So I had
to.But the guy got really mad at me, probably because he thought it would be
too expensive, and said he would find another electician.And I needed 6
hours on the PC, autocad, to make the damned plan!At least, after a lot of
thinking, he hired me, fortunately, and the union got 67 euro,part of which
at the end of the year will be mine.In EU we don't have GFCI outlets.Only
breakers.

 

[Tzortzakakis Dimitrios]

BTW,GFCIs are called here RCCBs-Residual Current Circuit Breaker.The term in
greek would be literally greek to you.They can be wired either way-load up
and supply down or the other way.

 

[sQuick]

Today, I had to sign for someone because he needed to re-get electricity in
his premises to lent them.The new greek internal installation code says that
it is compulsory to install a GFCI breaker in the service panel.So I had
to.But the guy got really mad at me, probably because he thought it would be
too expensive, and said he would find another electician.And I needed 6
hours on the PC, autocad, to make the damned plan!At least, after a lot of
thinking, he hired me, fortunately, and the union got 67 euro,part of which
at the end of the year will be mine.In EU we don't have GFCI outlets.Only
breakers.

In EU we don't have GFCI outlets.Only breakers???????

So what are RCD protected socket outlets ?

sQuick..

 

[Andrew Gabriel]

In EU we don't have GFCI outlets.Only breakers.

In the UK we have both types.
Our GFCI outlets are expensive though, more expensive than
a single GFCI panel breaker, which can cover many outlets.

You can buy plug-in GFCI's here easily, and they're cheap.

 

[deanmk]

In the UK we have both types.
Our GFCI outlets are expensive though, more expensive than
a single GFCI panel breaker, which can cover many outlets.

You can buy plug-in GFCI's here easily, and they're cheap.

That's amazing on this side of the pond you could buy 3-5 GFCI receptacles
for the price of one GFCI breaker. And the GFCI outlets can protect
downstream non-GFCI receptacles.

Mike.
Mike

 

[art]

His last name must be Tzighounis, eh? Parata ton!
Art.

 

[Andrew Gabriel]

That's amazing on this side of the pond you could buy 3-5 GFCI receptacles
for the price of one GFCI breaker. And the GFCI outlets can protect
downstream non-GFCI receptacles.

In the UK, GFCI outlets don't have any connection for downstream
protected outlets. It wouldn't make much sense, as our outlets are
normally connected in a ring circuit anyway.

 

[Tzortzakakis Dimitrios]

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[sQuick]

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lot


I've never seen them.

Take a look here

http://www.electricalshop.net/acatalog/RCD_Protected.html

sQuick..

 

[John Gilmer]

In the UK, GFCI outlets don't have any connection for downstream
protected outlets. It wouldn't make much sense, as our outlets are
normally connected in a ring circuit anyway.

Really?

So if you want to add an outlet you have to loop both sides of the "ring"
to the new outlet?

Seens wasteful to me.

Note that in the US, better quality GFCI (still less that $10 each) have
ways of chaining with the line or load side. The electrician only has to
strip 1/2" of the wire, poke it in the hole, and tighten the screw.

 

[sQuick]

Really?

So if you want to add an outlet you have to loop both sides of the "ring"
to the new outlet?

Seens wasteful to me.

You can add an extra outlet by tapping off the ring, but usually as
the ring is fused at 32amps its not wasteful, but safer to take both
sides of the ring to every socket.

sQuick..

 

[Andrew Gabriel]

Really?

So if you want to add an outlet you have to loop both sides of the "ring"
to the new outlet?
Seens wasteful to me.

You don't have to. You can create spurs off the ring.
Generally, a newly installed ring won't have any spurs,
but later additions are often done that way.

 

[Airy R. Bean]

And on the basis that two cables take up little more
space than one, rather than taking a spur, you can extend
the ring after dividing it at the point that would otherwise have been
the spur take-off. But be careful, just as there are limitations on
the number of spurs, there are also limitations as to the maximum
size of a ring.