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  1. alarman

    alarman Guest

    Yeah. They're not exactly aerodynamic, but they hit like a bus.
    js
     
  2. Mark Leuck

    Mark Leuck Guest

    Zone list 4


    Don't AND them, not reliable - there was a lengthy discussion on this a
    month or so ago.

    Lemme find a V20P book, I could sworn I saw it in there.


    this particular panel. You install 2 motion detectors in one area, then
    program them as cross-zoned with each other. A trip on one will not cause an
    alarm unless the other one also trips within a certain time frame (usually
    programmable in the panel). Then with a little creative pir placement you're
    all set.
     
  3. Yah, I see what you mean.


    | The notes section on zone programming says when creating a zone list 4
    | "do not include zones that have delays (entry/exit zones, interior
    | w/delay) or 24-hour zones as these zone types may produce unpredictable
    | results and may not function as intended"
    | I made the assumption that the small microprocessor used for the panel
    | may only be able to track 1 or a limited number of timer events
    | simultaneously. It may not be able to do the cross-zone timing while it
    | is doing an entry delay even if 1 triggers the other. It looks like
    | experiment time!!
    |
    | -Bill-
    |
    |
    | Crash Gordon® wrote:
    |
    | > I'd use as an interior follower (4).
    | >
    | > Interior with Delay should work too, what do you mean conflicting timers(?) [again I didn't read it all so you may know something I don't] you could set it to use second entry delay time too.
    | >
    | > | Crash;
    | > |
    | > | Thanks much for the fast reply. I had missed the cross-zone stuff since
    | > | it was in the zone list, not zone type.
    | > | One question comes up, I am adding 2 PIR/WW sensors (zones x and y) that
    | > | will go into zone list 4 (cross zones) The manual indicates that the x
    | > | and y zones must be type 3, 4 or 5 (perimeter burglary, interior
    | > | follower or day trouble/nitght alarm)
    | > | Since we go into the garage when the alarm is armed stay, modes 3 and 5
    | > | don't work as we would trigger the alarm. Mode 4 works, but would cause
    | > | an instant alarm if armed away. Mode 10 (interior with delay) is my
    | > | preferred mode but I don't know if it would work (problem with
    | > | conflicting timers). Any suggestions?
    | > |
    | > | Thanks;
    | > |
    | > | -Bill-
    | > |
    | > |
    | > | Crash Gordon® wrote:
    | > |
    | > | > Ok...never done it on Vista stuff... so..bear with me,,
    | > | >
    | > | > *85 field is where you set the cross-zone timer
    | > | > *81 is where you set up the Zone List...it looks like List 4 is where you set the zones to be cross-zoned.
    | > | >
    | > | > Read the *Install* Manual you should be able to figure it out from there.
    | > | >
    | > | >
    | > | >
    | > | >>Hi Crash;
    | > | >>
    | > | >>I did a quick scan of the manual and didn't see any zone type that that
    | > | >>used 2 triggers to alarm, but my reading wasn't real complete. I suppose
    | > | >>I could put in 2 detectors in a NO loop to effectively AND the signals.
    | > | >>The downside is the on time of about 3 seconds would require the
    | > | >>detectee to move through both detectors at about the same time. Thanks
    | > | >>for the idea, I will look into using a small microprocessor to do what
    | > | >>you suggest to combine multiple sensors with a time window.
    | > | >>
    | > | >> -Bill-
    | > | >>
    | > | >>
    | > | >>Crash Gordon® wrote:
    | > | >>
    | > | >>>I believe the 20P can use cross-zoning, although I've never done it with this particular panel. You install 2 motion detectors in one area, then program them as cross-zoned with each other. A trip on one will not cause an alarm unless the other one also trips within a certain time frame (usually programmable in the panel). Then with a little creative pir placement you're all set.
    | > | >>>
    | > | >>>
    | > | >>>
    | > | >>>
    | > | >>>>Another newbie question here.
    | > | >>>>
    | > | >>>>House is a combo wired/wireless with an Ademco 20P panel. I have a
    | > | >>>>problem protecting the attached 2 car garage. The main garage door, the
    | > | >>>>door to the house and the back door are mag contact protected. The
    | > | >>>>problem is that we have cats and sometimes want to bypass the back door
    | > | >>>>to let them go in/out while away for a short time. Thus I need some sort
    | > | >>>>of "space" protection to pick up someone who may enter via the
    | > | >>>>bypassed/open back door. I first tried an Aurora PIR mounted just below
    | > | >>>>the open rafters. Unfortunately, with small cats, if they climb into the
    | > | >>>>rafters, they are close (and hot) enough to simulate a 40lb critter. I
    | > | >>>>pulled the Ademco and replaced it with a microwave/PIR combo unit. Much
    | > | >>>>better but still managed to false once. I guess I could be very careful
    | > | >>>>in locating the PIR and masking out the usual location that the cats
    | > | >>>>might be in, but I am hoping one of the pros can suggest a more
    | > | >>>>cat-proof volume protection sensor.
    | > | >>>>
    | > | >>>> -Bill-
    | > | >>>
    | > | >>>
    | > | >
    | > | >
     
  4. Not to mention the shrapnel and noise!
    Dang, it was horrible...the noise... the shrapnel flying overhead...oh, the humanity!!



    | Crash Gordon® wrote:
    | > Walnuts?
    | > Interesting idea.
    | >
    | >
    | > | >> Crash Gordon® wrote:
    | >>> I prefer 6mm, nice flat shooter good fer vermits.
    | >>
    | >> Too risky. I'd use a wrist rocket and a sack of walnuts. Those bad
    | >> boys make an "impression" on kitty, even if they miss.
    | >> js
    |
    | Yeah. They're not exactly aerodynamic, but they hit like a bus.
    | js
    |
    |
     
  5. alarman

    alarman Guest

    :)
    js
     
  6. petem

    petem Guest

    a plane pellet gun do marvel..

    with a good co2 cartridge in can send a cat running for a mile or 2 before
    stopping...
    it wont come back for weeks..and if you ever see it back just make the
    smallest noise and boom they go like if it was hit again...
     
  7. Mark Leuck

    Mark Leuck Guest

    What fun is that when you can't find whats left of the carcass? I say use a
    357 hollow point
     
  8. It can be done but it depends on your budget.
    Try a floor probe inside. The cats won't be able to set it off unless
    they are some really fat bastards.
     
  9. They work under concrete?...this is a garage he's talking about.


    | It can be done but it depends on your budget.
    | Try a floor probe inside. The cats won't be able to set it off unless
    | they are some really fat bastards.
    |
     
  10. This is why I said it depends on his budget.
     
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