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  1. Foo Bar

    Foo Bar Guest

    Another newbie question here.

    House is a combo wired/wireless with an Ademco 20P panel. I have a
    problem protecting the attached 2 car garage. The main garage door, the
    door to the house and the back door are mag contact protected. The
    problem is that we have cats and sometimes want to bypass the back door
    to let them go in/out while away for a short time. Thus I need some sort
    of "space" protection to pick up someone who may enter via the
    bypassed/open back door. I first tried an Aurora PIR mounted just below
    the open rafters. Unfortunately, with small cats, if they climb into the
    rafters, they are close (and hot) enough to simulate a 40lb critter. I
    pulled the Ademco and replaced it with a microwave/PIR combo unit. Much
    better but still managed to false once. I guess I could be very careful
    in locating the PIR and masking out the usual location that the cats
    might be in, but I am hoping one of the pros can suggest a more
    cat-proof volume protection sensor.

    -Bill-
     
  2. I believe the 20P can use cross-zoning, although I've never done it with this particular panel. You install 2 motion detectors in one area, then program them as cross-zoned with each other. A trip on one will not cause an alarm unless the other one also trips within a certain time frame (usually programmable in the panel). Then with a little creative pir placement you're all set.
     
  3. Frank Olson

    Frank Olson Guest


    ..357 hollow points. Best "cat volume protection" around... :))
     
  4. Kinda sounds like they are his cats


     
  5. Foo Bar

    Foo Bar Guest

    Hi Crash;

    I did a quick scan of the manual and didn't see any zone type that that
    used 2 triggers to alarm, but my reading wasn't real complete. I suppose
    I could put in 2 detectors in a NO loop to effectively AND the signals.
    The downside is the on time of about 3 seconds would require the
    detectee to move through both detectors at about the same time. Thanks
    for the idea, I will look into using a small microprocessor to do what
    you suggest to combine multiple sensors with a time window.

    -Bill-
     
  6. Foo Bar

    Foo Bar Guest

  7. Don't AND them, not reliable - there was a lengthy discussion on this a month or so ago.

    Lemme find a V20P book, I could sworn I saw it in there.
     
  8. I prefer 6mm, nice flat shooter good fer vermits.
     
  9. Ok...never done it on Vista stuff... so..bear with me,,

    *85 field is where you set the cross-zone timer
    *81 is where you set up the Zone List...it looks like List 4 is where you set the zones to be cross-zoned.

    Read the *Install* Manual you should be able to figure it out from there.
     
  10. Foo Bar

    Foo Bar Guest

    In the garage??????


    -Bill-

     
  11. ....oh yeah...switch to my combat commander with hollow points or snake shot.
     
  12. Paul Ekins

    Paul Ekins Guest

    I know of a French idiot who used a .22 to rid his house of a mouse. Only
    problem was it took him 7 shots and it was in the kitchen.
     
  13. Foo Bar

    Foo Bar Guest

    Crash;

    Thanks much for the fast reply. I had missed the cross-zone stuff since
    it was in the zone list, not zone type.
    One question comes up, I am adding 2 PIR/WW sensors (zones x and y) that
    will go into zone list 4 (cross zones) The manual indicates that the x
    and y zones must be type 3, 4 or 5 (perimeter burglary, interior
    follower or day trouble/nitght alarm)
    Since we go into the garage when the alarm is armed stay, modes 3 and 5
    don't work as we would trigger the alarm. Mode 4 works, but would cause
    an instant alarm if armed away. Mode 10 (interior with delay) is my
    preferred mode but I don't know if it would work (problem with
    conflicting timers). Any suggestions?

    Thanks;

    -Bill-
     
  14. Foo Bar

    Foo Bar Guest

    A rural friend tried to plug a raccoon in his house with a Glock/.40SW
    The coon survived, the repairs were, shall we say, costly.
     
  15. I'd use as an interior follower (4).

    Interior with Delay should work too, what do you mean conflicting timers(?) [again I didn't read it all so you may know something I don't] you could set it to use second entry delay time too.

    | Crash;
    |
    | Thanks much for the fast reply. I had missed the cross-zone stuff since
    | it was in the zone list, not zone type.
    | One question comes up, I am adding 2 PIR/WW sensors (zones x and y) that
    | will go into zone list 4 (cross zones) The manual indicates that the x
    | and y zones must be type 3, 4 or 5 (perimeter burglary, interior
    | follower or day trouble/nitght alarm)
    | Since we go into the garage when the alarm is armed stay, modes 3 and 5
    | don't work as we would trigger the alarm. Mode 4 works, but would cause
    | an instant alarm if armed away. Mode 10 (interior with delay) is my
    | preferred mode but I don't know if it would work (problem with
    | conflicting timers). Any suggestions?
    |
    | Thanks;
    |
    | -Bill-
    |
    |
    | Crash Gordon® wrote:
    |
    | > Ok...never done it on Vista stuff... so..bear with me,,
    | >
    | > *85 field is where you set the cross-zone timer
    | > *81 is where you set up the Zone List...it looks like List 4 is where you set the zones to be cross-zoned.
    | >
    | > Read the *Install* Manual you should be able to figure it out from there.
    | >
    | >
    | >
    | >>Hi Crash;
    | >>
    | >>I did a quick scan of the manual and didn't see any zone type that that
    | >>used 2 triggers to alarm, but my reading wasn't real complete. I suppose
    | >>I could put in 2 detectors in a NO loop to effectively AND the signals.
    | >>The downside is the on time of about 3 seconds would require the
    | >>detectee to move through both detectors at about the same time. Thanks
    | >>for the idea, I will look into using a small microprocessor to do what
    | >>you suggest to combine multiple sensors with a time window.
    | >>
    | >> -Bill-
    | >>
    | >>
    | >>Crash Gordon® wrote:
    | >>
    | >>>I believe the 20P can use cross-zoning, although I've never done it with this particular panel. You install 2 motion detectors in one area, then program them as cross-zoned with each other. A trip on one will not cause an alarm unless the other one also trips within a certain time frame (usually programmable in the panel). Then with a little creative pir placement you're all set.
    | >>>
    | >>>
    | >>>
    | >>>
    | >>>>Another newbie question here.
    | >>>>
    | >>>>House is a combo wired/wireless with an Ademco 20P panel. I have a
    | >>>>problem protecting the attached 2 car garage. The main garage door, the
    | >>>>door to the house and the back door are mag contact protected. The
    | >>>>problem is that we have cats and sometimes want to bypass the back door
    | >>>>to let them go in/out while away for a short time. Thus I need some sort
    | >>>>of "space" protection to pick up someone who may enter via the
    | >>>>bypassed/open back door. I first tried an Aurora PIR mounted just below
    | >>>>the open rafters. Unfortunately, with small cats, if they climb into the
    | >>>>rafters, they are close (and hot) enough to simulate a 40lb critter. I
    | >>>>pulled the Ademco and replaced it with a microwave/PIR combo unit. Much
    | >>>>better but still managed to false once. I guess I could be very careful
    | >>>>in locating the PIR and masking out the usual location that the cats
    | >>>>might be in, but I am hoping one of the pros can suggest a more
    | >>>>cat-proof volume protection sensor.
    | >>>>
    | >>>> -Bill-
    | >>>
    | >>>
    | >
    | >
     
  16. alarman

    alarman Guest

    Too risky. I'd use a wrist rocket and a sack of walnuts. Those bad boys make
    an "impression" on kitty, even if they miss.
    js
     
  17. alarman

    alarman Guest

    Glasers.
    js
     
  18. why am i not overly surprised :))))


    | I know of a French idiot who used a .22 to rid his house of a mouse. Only
    | problem was it took him 7 shots and it was in the kitchen.
    |
    | | > In the garage??????
    | >
    | >
    | > -Bill-
    | >
    | >
    | > Crash Gordon® wrote:
    | > > I prefer 6mm, nice flat shooter good fer vermits.
    | > >
    | > >
    | | > >
    | > >>Too big, a 148 grain HBWC in a 38 special and light powder would be a
    | > >>better choice. But then who would star on the CatCam?
    | > >>
    | > >>http://www.rtcatranch.com/index_007.htm
    | > >>
    | > >> -Bill-
    | > >>
    | > >>
    | > >>Frank Olson wrote:
    | > >>
    | > >>
    | > >>>| > >>>
    | > >>>
    | > >>>
    | > >>>
    | > >>>>I am hoping one of the pros can suggest a more cat-proof volume
    | protection
    | > >>>>sensor.
    | > >>>
    | > >>>
    | > >>>
    | > >>>.357 hollow points. Best "cat volume protection" around... :))
    | > >>>
    | > >>
    | > >>>
    | > >
    | > >
    |
    |
     
  19. Walnuts?
    Interesting idea.


    | Crash Gordon® wrote:
    | > I prefer 6mm, nice flat shooter good fer vermits.
    |
    | Too risky. I'd use a wrist rocket and a sack of walnuts. Those bad boys make
    | an "impression" on kitty, even if they miss.
    | js
    |
    |
     
  20. Foo Bar

    Foo Bar Guest

    The notes section on zone programming says when creating a zone list 4
    "do not include zones that have delays (entry/exit zones, interior
    w/delay) or 24-hour zones as these zone types may produce unpredictable
    results and may not function as intended"
    I made the assumption that the small microprocessor used for the panel
    may only be able to track 1 or a limited number of timer events
    simultaneously. It may not be able to do the cross-zone timing while it
    is doing an entry delay even if 1 triggers the other. It looks like
    experiment time!!

    -Bill-

     
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