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Fun and games with autotransformers

Discussion in 'General Electronics Discussion' started by (*steve*), Nov 21, 2014.

  1. (*steve*)

    (*steve*) ¡sǝpodᴉʇuɐ ǝɥʇ ɹɐǝɥd Moderator

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    I am the proud owner of a device advertised as:

    Code:
    Device: 12A 12101604
    * AC Voltage Taps 204V,210V,216V,221V,240V
    Size(LBHmm):120 x 120 x 45
    Mounted on a base plate
    Weight: 4.2kg
    ** Note these Transformers are
    new and un-used but have been
    pulled out of equipment.
    The transformer has a mass of leads and the markings on the transformer are not at all helpful in determining how to connect it.

    So what I did was attach an AC source (6.3VAC, but it actually measured 7.06VAC on my meter) to various combinations of taps and found the following:

    • There are 2 separate windings.
    • One winding, with 7.06VAC across red and grey, reads (wrt red) red=0V, brown=3.95V, yellow=4.68V, blue=5.87V, and grey=7.06V
    • The other winding (black and white) is separate and measures 40.5VAC.
    • There are two grey wires.
    • There are two black wires
    • There are an additional 2 thinner red wires
    • There are an additional 2 thinner black wires
    • All wires of the same colour appear to be connected together.
    • The thick wires are labelled as 750VAC
    It took a while to figure out this puzzle, maybe you can do it faster.

    questions:
    1. Is it an autotransformer?
    2. If not, what is the secondary voltage (assume primary is 240V)?
    3. If so, how should it be connected?
    Notes:
    • The voltages above are how I measured it.
    • Murphy's law applies.
    I'll try to get you a photo as well...

    IMG_6554b (Custom).JPG IMG_6553b (Custom).JPG
     
    Last edited: Nov 21, 2014
  2. KJ6EAD

    KJ6EAD

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    So it's a typical power transformer with a multitap primary to accommodate various input line voltages and multiple secondaries? What's unusual?
     
  3. Anon_LG

    Anon_LG

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    Don't you mean: "what's unusual, sir" :D
     
  4. BobK

    BobK

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    I have the answer:

    It is an autotransformer. But there is not quite enough information to determine the connections. We need the phase relationship between the B and W and the R and G coils.

    In any case, here is how to connect it:

    Connect either the B or W to the G so that they are in phase.

    Connect the 240AC to the R and the other of the B and W.

    Now, with respect to the B or W not connected to G we have:

    Brown = 220V
    Yellow = 216V
    Blue = 210V
    Gray = 204V

    Edit: And damn you Steve for wasting 1 1/2 Hours of my time!

    Bob
     
    Last edited: Nov 21, 2014
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  5. (*steve*)

    (*steve*) ¡sǝpodᴉʇuɐ ǝɥʇ ɹɐǝɥd Moderator

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    Bob has it right. Given the time it took him, I'm no longer so embarrassed about how long it took me.

    As for the phasing, it might help if I note that the thick leads have spade connectors on them, and reiterate that there are a pair of grey, and a pair of black connectors, and that there are some thinner black and red wires...

    Knowing the answer it's almost obvious, however I got the phasing wrong the first time.
     
  6. BobK

    BobK

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    In my defense, I actually took much less time than that to figure it out, but them kept messing up my calculations to check it.

    Bob
     
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