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Fugi hi tech built in obsolescence.

Discussion in 'Electronic Design' started by Ken S. Tucker, Aug 4, 2012.

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  1. Wife buys a Fuji S1500 camera 2.5 years ago, warranty 2 years.
    It began suffering faults a few weeks ago, though it is lightly
    used and well cared for. There is apparently no service available.
    It cost her ~$250 => $100/year.

    I did a minor examination of this camera and others and concluded,
    a "Hi-tech self destruct" internal IC times out and causes the
    fault(s) in succession.

    Camera companies (Fugi is Jap but Chink made) can't make $ on film
    now, so they can only make $ selling camera's. Naturally, a camera
    is easily built to last 10-20 years, but the profit margin dives,
    and there is NO LAW against self destruction circuitry, it's buyer

    I haven't - as yet - determined the self destruct algorithm, or how
    to reset the timer back to zero.

    Has anyone else figured that out yet?
  2. Rich Webb

    Rich Webb Guest

    Might be that it's part of Agenda 21. George Soros might even be
    involved, somehow.
  3. So what you're saying is that Fugi is incompetent, yet
    having used their products for >30 years I 'would have'
    recommended them until recently...things change.

    Conspiracy? Where on Earth is mentioned any criminal activity?
    Built in obsolescence is SOP.
    USB port stopped working 1st, then we temperature cycled gently,
    and other faults occurred during re-testing.
    How much did your "Canon" cost ya? May get them instead.
  4. Not us, this is not just our experience, and it's not just Fugi,
    Our survey indicates self destruct is common in many electronic
    Incidentally my company builds for maximum quality.
    Doesn't have nor need one.
  5. 1st was the USB port went dead, then LCD went dead after testing.
    Balance of Probability, via elimination of other causes.
  6. notbob

    notbob Guest

    Entirely possible. I bought a Olympus film SLR that lasted a mere 12
    mos, the metal shutters rusting two wks after the warrantee ran out.

  7. It is not Dr. Ken S. Tucker, it's Sloman puppet socking me.
    Sloman wouldn't know it has 4 AA battery's.
    The 4 were at 1.3V, replaced with 1.6V, the 2nd or 3rd
  8. Built in obsolescence is worth $billions on the bottom line.
    Of course some think the nice Japs and Chinks wouldn't want
    to LEGALLY profit from selling junk to us good Westerners.
  9. No they're not, anymore than calling me a canut whitey,
    hang you're fig leaves on underage school girls.
    Yank stuff is usually the best.
    Yanks got burned with built in obsolescence selling compact cars,
    but our Chrysler (Dodge Grand Caravan) is excellent.
  10. Have you ever trouble shot an advanced system?
  11. Internal memory = 23 Mb, we video rocket firings at 640x480 for
    ~28secs, worked ok on those occasions.
  12. Good point Mike, thanks for the heads up.
  13. Guest

    I had two of them ('85 and '90). Both sucked. Neither made it to 100Kmi.
  14. Tim Williams

    Tim Williams Guest

  15. Tim Williams

    Tim Williams Guest

    LOL, 23 megabits?! My old Canon S1 IS originally came with a whopping 128MB
    CF card -- can't buy those things anymore, heck, can hardly even find CF

  16. My Chinon/Kodak DC280 came with an 8MB CF card.

    There is a lot of equipment out there that requires a 128 or 256M CF
    maximum card- they're difficult to buy, but still available. For
    example, some Tek scopes and Yokogawa process instruments.

    Best regards,
    Spehro Pefhany
  17. Martin Brown

    Martin Brown Guest

    Penniless racist trailer trash like Tucker couldn't afford it.

    My first digital camera was a Kodak DC-120 "1Mpixel" - well made but
    looked more like a StarTrek tricorder than a camera. Ate AA batteries
    four at a time with a current draw of 1A for being on and 2A if the
    flash was charging. Even so it was a big advantage to going round the
    film/develop/scan or faster but more costly Polariod/scan loop. Still
    works 14 years later as does the original Canon Ixus that replaced it.

    Nothing wrong with Fuji's film or electronics either - they took the
    world market off Kodak & Polaroid in both fields one after the other.
    Kodak actually had the lead in pro digital imaging at one point but to
    protect film sales they deliberately underplayed their hand :(

    The Bayer digital camera sensor mask was a Kodak patented invention.
    Kodak PhotoCD was a brilliant image scanning product but they muddied
    the waters with manky PictureCD with the same initials. Most pros got
    caught out by it once and never came back. Nikon scanner sales soared.

    If you really want super service buy Swiss kit. They are obliged for
    electromechanical kit to keep spares for ISTR 25 years. Prices to match.

    Most dead digicams today are beyond economic repair. Lens servo or card
    contacts tend to be the first things to fail. Sometimes cleaning them
    will be enough. Tiny black thrips in the works is one mode of failure.
    I thought these days that they had largely solved that problem. US cars
    are just too heavy, with sloppy suspension, gross understeer and slow to
    be interesting. That is until you put >6L engines in them.
  18. Martin Brown

    Martin Brown Guest

    Generous given the price of early CF cards. The DC-120 had 4MB internal
    memory that allowed it to be shop demoed without having to insert an
    expensive small memory card. Digital cameras were very new and
    expensive. Only early adopters with rapid turnaround requirements even
    considered them at the outset since resolution was barely adequate.

    The hairlike male connectors for CF cards meant that the hamfisted could
    totally wreck an expensive unit by careless card insertion.
    Most stuff can handle up to the limit of FAT16 file systems, there is a
    handful of older devices that croak on anything above FAT12.

    Some firmware as recent as the early Pentax istD would baulk at memory
    cards larger than 1GB (actually it worked but only for the first GB).
    2GB bugs are a more normal gotcha on the signed/unsigned int boundary.
  19. Uwe Hercksen

    Uwe Hercksen Guest


    it is not possible to time the start of rusting with such precision.

  20. notbob

    notbob Guest

    I doubt very seriously if it was uniformally progressive from day one.
    I went out and took some pictures on two occassions about a month
    before the shutter rusted and I sent it in for repair. Both days were
    wettish, one foggy the other sprinkly, but the camera never came in
    direct contact with water. I know the metal blade shutter rusted
    because the factory repair station told me. Olympus wanted $10 more
    to repair it than I could buy new one. Nevermind. I never bought a
    camera with a metal blade shutter again. So, I'm sure it was not
    planned obsolescence as much as planned cheapness.

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