Free power from hi-V power lines?

[tom]

We've all seen the demonstration where you take a flourescent light-tube

under high-voltage power lines at night and see it glow --- such is the
strength of the field around those hi voltage lines.
OK, if the R/F field is so strong, what if one were to rig up some kind
of 'induction - collecter' setup designed to pick up as much current
from the field as reasonably possible. Could you get a significant
amount of power from a setup like this? Any power?
What makes me wonder about this are stories from people living under
those lines who report painful shocks from even small metallic objects
like doorknobs, and the power companies telling them to ground basically
every piece of metal in their homes.
If power companies are blasting this R/F
field at us whether we want it or not, is it not prudent that we attempt

to derive some benefit from it? Maybe it's not harmful radiation, maybe
it's free power!

 

[Hunan]

We've all seen the demonstration where you take a flourescent light-tube

under high-voltage power lines at night and see it glow --- such is the
strength of the field around those hi voltage lines.
OK, if the R/F field is so strong, what if one were to rig up some kind
of 'induction - collecter' setup designed to pick up as much current
from the field as reasonably possible. Could you get a significant
amount of power from a setup like this? Any power?
What makes me wonder about this are stories from people living under
those lines who report painful shocks from even small metallic objects
like doorknobs, and the power companies telling them to ground basically
every piece of metal in their homes.
If power companies are blasting this R/F
field at us whether we want it or not, is it not prudent that we attempt

to derive some benefit from it? Maybe it's not harmful radiation, maybe
it's free power!

Think of it more as static electricity, the field is high, but current very
low.
You have enough to light up a flourecent lite, not much more. worth about
1/4 an AAA cell.
5,000 V at 0.000001 amp or so. (called cold flourecient lighting, not hot)

 

[B J Conner]

People have powered lighting systems for houses using large coils of wire in
there attic. They have used many turns of wire parallel to the line. I
believe they were only able to operate flourscent lighting.
Some of the people who did it caught and proscuted by the power company.
Examples of it are used in some electrical engineering classes. Stealing
power is however still stealing .
How they were caught I don't know. IF you live near a radio transmitter it
might be ok to tap their signal for power. The difference is the power
company is there for power and the radio station is putting out the signal
to be used.
Examples of these are pretty well know and brought up in classes
electromagnetic wave theory.

 

[TimPerry]

We've all seen the demonstration where you take a flourescent light-tube

under high-voltage power lines at night and see it glow --- such is the
strength of the field around those hi voltage lines.
OK, if the R/F field is so strong, what if one were to rig up some kind
of 'induction - collecter' setup designed to pick up as much current
from the field as reasonably possible.

the EM field is not wasted energy it is a needed component of the
transmission system. the waste is in the form of heat losses.

Could you get a significant

amount of power from a setup like this? Any power?

if you could they would find a way to bill you for it.

What makes me wonder about this are stories from people living under
those lines who report painful shocks from even small metallic objects
like doorknobs,

I doubt that I could devise a means to cause an inert object the size and
shape of a doorknob to generate an electric shock without physically
connecting something to it. im not talking about a static charge which is
built up in the person doing the touching.
Metal doors and frames can act as antennas in high RF envirnments.

and the power companies telling them to ground basically

every piece of metal in their homes.

i mostly use plastic forks anyway... saves on dishwasher energy

If power companies are blasting this R/F
field at us whether we want it or not, is it not prudent that we attempt

its not RF... RF starts at about 30 kHz.
60 Hz is audio or AF

you can't "blast" RF... you can emit it, radiate it, transmit it, and do
quite a number of other things with it, but it just has no blasting power

to derive some benefit from it? Maybe it's not harmful radiation, maybe
it's free power!

you can look at it as ALL energy is free... it just has to be stolen from
somewhere like the ground, the sun, the gravity well, the wind, the tides
and so on. (i wouldn't bother with the ionosphere, we need it for other uses
<grin>)

now here is you homework assignment: research the inverse square law and
explain how it applies to electromagnetic radiation.

 

[SQLit]

I have a 250kv line close enough to experiment with. The question is really how
much can you get without encroaching on the right of way. ;-)
Would a reasonable test be to wrap a flourecent tube with x turns of wire and
set it up near the ROW?
Connect each end of your coil to one of the contacts on each end?

You will never get anything usable until you get close enough for induction.
That would be closer that 250 inches. ROT, 1 inch per thousand for
insulation. The ROW will be more than that. Besides if the power company
spies your contraption, expect a visit from their attorneys.

Can I take an insurance policy out on you?

 

[John C]

safe clearance from a 250Kv line???

33Kv is .8m

 

[Kafir]

These poles are about 80' high so I doubt I am in any serious electrocution
danger. I was just wondering if there was enough field to make an F-40 glow a
little with a coil of wire. I know I am not running my toaster.
BTW I will take all the "suing" these folks want to throw at me if I am not on
the ROW and I am just collecting stray fields (that they try to say doesn't
exist).
They sure don't want me to hire a "powerlines are killing us" attorney.
In real life I doubt I could make a F40 glow from the 70' or so away I can get
to from the ground

your coil would have to be tuned to 60 hz, which is rather big.

 

[daestrom]

These poles are about 80' high so I doubt I am in any serious
electrocution
danger. I was just wondering if there was enough field to make an F-40
glow a
little with a coil of wire. I know I am not running my toaster.
BTW I will take all the "suing" these folks want to throw at me if I am
not on
the ROW and I am just collecting stray fields (that they try to say
doesn't
exist).

Even if you're not on their ROW, if you setup/establish an inductive 'link'
to their system for the purpose of drawing off power, the courts have
repeatedly found this to be an illegal tap onto their line. When you setup
such a system, you actually *increase* the amount of energy being
drawn/radiated from the line. And that is an illegal, induction tap. The
courts consider it very similar to if you had a direct wire leading away
from their line (except you survived the connection).

But hey, don't take my word for it, google for the court cases.

daestrom

 

[Dwayne]

If you try to draw a significant amount of power from the line, it will show
up in the distribution system as an increase in loss. So it would be a
matter of how much energy you could capture before the power company sends
some one out to investigate (the increase in loss). The power company and
the courts would consider this as theft of electrical energy.

Dwayne

Note: Electrical power is generated at 50 or 60Hz, this is nowhere near RF
(Radio Frequency).

 

[ssparling]

Check out the net for a gentleman named Dr Nicola Tesla.

A good Biography on him is called Nicola Tesla- Man out of Time by Margaret
Cheney.

 

[TimPerry]

says...


I've had that blasted RF from Rubber Ducks CB mess up my TV, note

Northstar

the duck must be runnin one of them there lynnears and then peaked up to
150% modulation... and maybe even one o them 3 phase power mikes.

 

[Steve Cothran]

the duck must be runnin one of them there lynnears and then peaked up to
150% modulation... and maybe even one o them 3 phase power mikes.

That's "leen-yer".

And with all that modulation, you probably have little SWR's running
along the an-teeena like boogers.

 

[TimPerry]

That's "leen-yer".

And with all that modulation, you probably have little SWR's running
along the an-teeena like boogers.

perish the thought, i have solved the SWR issue forever by using
non-conductive radiators and transmission lines.


the zero return loss always gives me a match that better then 1:1


once i have figured out how the power the rig from the 7 Hz DC you can get
by shock exciting the ionisphere ill be all set for hours of intergalactic
QSOs without running down the nicads.

come to think of it, with the US govt. giving the nod to BPL (broadband over
power lines) a whole new internet security issue will arise. we are already
inundated with cable descrambler scams... just think if the new e-mail we
will see: $10 plans for FREE internet interceptors.

 

[Roy Q.T.]

I've never seen an F40 glow under a Utilites Company Power Line, an
RF/UHF Transmitter, Yes.

Before I Tap into your Creative side I don't want to distract you,
Focus, Perhaps.

I've been slightly busy with this type web interface for some yrs now,
for a couch potato unit it's been good to me & comfy research &
compliance.

Well: I found a website of some guys Claiming enough power to get a
small apartment going at regular Household Current from Fields Right in
Front of Our Noses, Legally.

In Theory it is Very Feasible.
we all know this deep inside.

Electric Freedom

I bet Power Brokers and Engineers everywhere are Highly interested if
not out right concerned. [reversed the polarity]

From Basic Scratch the equation E=MC² and the Spectrum of Radio
Transmitted Power through Frequencies that make our Stereos, Television,
HandHelds etc, work start from an intake of AC Current level Electric
Energy, then it's Transformed, Stepped Up, Processed & Injected
Electronically <~> Converted into Radio Frequency Energy & Transmitted
in Waveforms that our Home Recievers collect and convert Back to Sound
and Video, etc.... these guys are working on Why Not go the whole
distance and convert it to back to AC and Plug into our Breaker Panels
as the Original Electric Source Signal. quashing the audio & video other
signals together with unknown Device Y & Circuit X. being Researched .

that's one approach the Optimal Configuration is to pick up All Stray
Energy Forms from our environment with this Fantastic Circuitry & Walla
Look Pa' No Cables coming in.

Since Energy is Not lost but Converted Theoretically this is something I
could not Refute & I'd Like to work on instead.

Rather than Molest & Load Down the Power Companies precious Magnetic
Fields (probably contained & repressed inward the cables with grid
shielding & technology for your grandchildrens sake)
they've been Generous enough with a well know Middle G-Man in Housing.

I lost the URL but if you think we can do it, or have a link to those
magnificent thinkers., drop some lines here.

Though more an Electronic Engineering Topic at this Stage it behooves
you to come online with your Mentation on the subject matter., after all
we might enjoy wiring up all our homes with one someday. maybe they
resurface.

perhaps like the small 10yr plutonium generators out there. but more
intrinsic & smaller.

hoping theres a break though in Component Mfrg. & Design that would
excite The Open Field Currents continuously refreshing a Plosh DC Supply
with relatively cheap components in the works as in a common DC-AC Power
inverted with a PLL to handle the Intake Waves of Energy into a Step Up
Array Powerful enough to Power Up a Small City Apartment with related
appliances.

Even sound could be factored in.I'd get extra wattage saying What the
f_ck are we waiting for ? Out Load round the collectors. think highly
sensitive.

Then think ....

The Judges would be " Hunnnh " not me. };-)

 

[TimPerry]

how about this for a free power source:

all cars with sound systems over 100 watts per ch must install a device on
the roof which collects the pressure diferantial and converts it to storable
power.

 

[TimPerry]

says...



Otherwise affix a coil (submersed in a magnetic field, note) to my
front picture window, and sifer of the juice. Run the juice to a
solonoid affixed to the trigger of a rail gun loaded with 37 pounds
of fresh and unseasoned horse manure aimed at the rascal's vehicle.

Northwest

careful, they might have WMD countermeasures installed (weapons of manure
detection)

 

[Don Kelly]

Slight problem - the signals you receive are, at most, in the micro to
milliwatt range. The fact that you can hear something on your radio, or see
something on the TV is due to the various amplifier stages, etc, which are
powered by the 60Hz supply. Test it- tune your TV to a station- then pull
the plug.

--
Don Kelly
[email protected]
remove the urine to answer


I've never seen an F40 glow under a Utilites Company Power Line, an
RF/UHF Transmitter, Yes.

Before I Tap into your Creative side I don't want to distract you,
Focus, Perhaps.

I've been slightly busy with this type web interface for some yrs now,
for a couch potato unit it's been good to me & comfy research &
compliance.

Well: I found a website of some guys Claiming enough power to get a
small apartment going at regular Household Current from Fields Right in
Front of Our Noses, Legally.

In Theory it is Very Feasible.
we all know this deep inside.

Electric Freedom

I bet Power Brokers and Engineers everywhere are Highly interested if
not out right concerned. [reversed the polarity]

From Basic Scratch the equation E=MC² and the Spectrum of Radio
Transmitted Power through Frequencies that make our Stereos, Television,
HandHelds etc, work start from an intake of AC Current level Electric
Energy, then it's Transformed, Stepped Up, Processed & Injected
Electronically <~> Converted into Radio Frequency Energy & Transmitted
in Waveforms that our Home Recievers collect and convert Back to Sound
and Video, etc.... these guys are working on Why Not go the whole
distance and convert it to back to AC and Plug into our Breaker Panels
as the Original Electric Source Signal. quashing the audio & video other
signals together with unknown Device Y & Circuit X. being Researched .

that's one approach the Optimal Configuration is to pick up All Stray
Energy Forms from our environment with this Fantastic Circuitry & Walla
Look Pa' No Cables coming in.

Since Energy is Not lost but Converted Theoretically this is something I
could not Refute & I'd Like to work on instead.

Rather than Molest & Load Down the Power Companies precious Magnetic
Fields (probably contained & repressed inward the cables with grid
shielding & technology for your grandchildrens sake)
they've been Generous enough with a well know Middle G-Man in Housing.

I lost the URL but if you think we can do it, or have a link to those
magnificent thinkers., drop some lines here.

Though more an Electronic Engineering Topic at this Stage it behooves
you to come online with your Mentation on the subject matter., after all
we might enjoy wiring up all our homes with one someday. maybe they
resurface.

perhaps like the small 10yr plutonium generators out there. but more
intrinsic & smaller.

hoping theres a break though in Component Mfrg. & Design that would
excite The Open Field Currents continuously refreshing a Plosh DC Supply
with relatively cheap components in the works as in a common DC-AC Power
inverted with a PLL to handle the Intake Waves of Energy into a Step Up
Array Powerful enough to Power Up a Small City Apartment with related
appliances.

Even sound could be factored in.I'd get extra wattage saying What the
f_ck are we waiting for ? Out Load round the collectors. think highly
sensitive.

Then think ....

The Judges would be " Hunnnh " not me. };-)

 

[Roy Q.T.]

yea but the Theory cleary describes an Indestructable Energetic
Constance for every Level of Energy.

In those Transmitting Sub and Standing Stations Power it's reduced {or
transmuted} to Ethereal Waveforms that are picked up by TV, Radio etc.

The Propsed R & D Product aforementioned can or shuold De-Mute the
Waveform to it's Original Source of Constant Energy ~ Electricity.

I understand the power requirements of the RF stage amplification
sectors of transmitters.

The Item (items) Missing It's just unfounded in a [Theory] + Dimensional
Barrier - handled {No Inverse Engineering} with Motors Transformers,
Diodes, Lately Transistors & LSI devices of the Known Sources.


removing encompassed phrases you see the simplified "Have", the
encompassed phrases hold the " Have Not".

Any Physics (since the latest Edison, Tesla & Einstein) could help
decypher and postulate a construction scheme.

Where are Malmsteadt and Enke when you need them ? I need some New
looking hardcover editions ..

see you aroundt

 

[operator jay]

yea but the Theory cleary describes an Indestructable Energetic
Constance for every Level of Energy.

In those Transmitting Sub and Standing Stations Power it's reduced {or
transmuted} to Ethereal Waveforms that are picked up by TV, Radio etc.

The Propsed R & D Product aforementioned can or shuold De-Mute the
Waveform to it's Original Source of Constant Energy ~ Electricity.

I understand the power requirements of the RF stage amplification
sectors of transmitters.

The Item (items) Missing It's just unfounded in a [Theory] + Dimensional
Barrier - handled {No Inverse Engineering} with Motors Transformers,
Diodes, Lately Transistors & LSI devices of the Known Sources.


removing encompassed phrases you see the simplified "Have", the
encompassed phrases hold the " Have Not".

Any Physics (since the latest Edison, Tesla & Einstein) could help
decypher and postulate a construction scheme.

Where are Malmsteadt and Enke when you need them ? I need some New
looking hardcover editions ..

see you aroundt

You know, it might be easier to get one of those window antennas and
download 7Hz dc power free from the ionosphere. At least until the
Repository is online.

j

 

[Roy Q.T.]

That's another kind of energy creature,

You think it'll take to domestic life easier than the other ones., with
out having it's Mom & Pop zapping around the Metal City Window Frames
that is.

Heyyyyyy ' maybe I can use em for collector/bias grounding on my non
excisting device; Worse Case scenario, all the neighbors will move out
mysteriously so I can UnPhreak them to power the entire 10 unit Bldg.
maybe I should just move first };-)

I'd lke to get my hands on more gizmos and gadgets, like a peltier
device for starts.....
muscle wire & rare earth naaaah, not in here. maybe the toy factory.