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Fox news article.....rossi cold fusion......

Discussion in 'Home Power and Microgeneration' started by sno, Nov 3, 2011.

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  1. sno

    sno Guest

    check it out...

    http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/11/02/andrea-rossi-italian-cold-fusion-plant/

    http://pesn.com/2011/11/02/9501944_Fox_News_E-Cat_Article_Needs_Work/

    have fun......sno


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    Hypothesis - a guess as to why or how something occurs
    Theory - a hypothesis that has been checked by enough experiments
    to be generally assumed to be true.
    Law - a hypothesis that has been checked by enough experiments
    in enough different ways that it is assumed to be truer then a theory.
    Note: nothing is proven in science, things are assumed to be true.
     
  2. vaughn

    vaughn Guest

  3. Gordon

    Gordon Guest

    You mean like those faster than light nutrinos?
     
  4. vaughn

    vaughn Guest

    OK, I take your point, but we are still a long way from that (lower) standard of
    proof; yet we don't need to be. Rossi's stated excuse seems to be a desire to
    protect his industrial secrets. He doesn't want to give others access to the
    internals of his invention. But once you sell the first unit of ANY new
    technology, that information is potentially "out there". The inventor must
    choose between keeping his invention to himself forever, or marketing it and
    depending on the patent system and our justice system to do its job. Now that
    he has supposedly started marketing his device, his stated objections quickly
    begin to fail to hold water..

    Going back to my example of the AirCar, we see exactly the same behavior.
    Pleading protection of his "secrets" the "inventor" has consistently refused to
    allow third-parties access to his prototypes to verify (or refute) his claims
    for them. Proving the claims for the AirCar would be as simple as handing a set
    of keys to a few reputable members of the media and letting them go for a ride,
    yet it has never happened. Guess why?

    Vaughn .
     
  5. He doesn't have a patent on the process does he?
    If not then thats why he wont go public to disclose the inner workings.
    For fear of it being stolen.
    And he can't get a patent because he really does not know what is
    exactly happening.
    Or it could really be a hoax.

    Cheers
     
  6. eric gisse

    eric gisse Guest

  7. Rick

    Rick Guest

    Seems to me that In some ways this is not dissimilar to that of the inventor
    of 'Starlite', a world shattering breakthrough, or merely another time
    waster looking for their 15 minutes of fame?
    <http://tinyurl.com/lkjcch>
     
  8. eric gisse

    eric gisse Guest

    And has the additional effect of "legitimate" news exposure which gives
    more advertising surface area to scam people with.
    I'm betting on the laws of thermodynamics.
     
  9. vaughn

    vaughn Guest

    A few months? Don't count on it. These little companies that are ran by a
    "genius inventor" can bump along for decades with the big breakthrough always
    expected "next year". I have already given the example of the MDI AirCar, but
    also look up the history of Paul Moller http://www.moller.com/ . Moller has
    been burning up other folk's money for the last 40 years.

    My point? 1) A true "genius inventor" can be forever indistinguishable from a
    "genius scammer".and, 2) These companies can exist forever because there are
    always more investors.

    Vaughn
    ..
     
  10. eric gisse

    eric gisse Guest

    Nickle and Hydogen fusing might be an exothermic reaction but there's a
    significant energy cost to overcome Coulomb repulsion and get the nuceli
    close enough to fuse.
     
  11. Jim Wilkins

    Jim Wilkins Guest

    Maybe he stumbled onto another back door???

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muon-catalyzed_fusion

    Or he sold his soul to Maxwell's Demon??

    jsw
     
  12. eric gisse

    eric gisse Guest

  13. eric gisse

    eric gisse Guest

    No, it isn't. The article legitimizes his scam.

    On an unrelated note, that's how fox news turns right wing nonsensical
    talking points into news.
    1) No there isn't.
    2) Even if there were, he's going about it exactly as if he were a
    scammer.
    Hint: lots of scammers will try for more but will gladly 'settle' for
    millions of dollars.
    You worked out the scam. I'm so proud of you! *tear*
     
  14. J. Clarke

    J. Clarke Guest

    Either way, NIST are useless yankee wankers and WRONG.

    Frosts your little paranoid-schizophrenic butt that GPS works doesn't
    it?

    <plonk>
     
  15. Jim Wilkins

    Jim Wilkins Guest

    You do realize I'm a sceptic playing devils (demon's) advocate, right?

    jsw
     
  16. eric gisse

    eric gisse Guest

    No, becuase people keep mentioning it while not knowing what they are
    talking about. Muon catalyzed fusion, regardless, is not a chemical process
    and needs an accelerator behind it to make the muons.
     
  17. Jim Wilkins

    Jim Wilkins Guest

    It IS a backdoor around the Coulomb barrier, just not a practical one.

    jsw
     
  18. Yousuf Khan

    Yousuf Khan Guest

  19. Yousuf Khan

    Yousuf Khan Guest

    Why will it take you that long to decide? Just ask yourself what happens
    in real life in nature when you try to fuse nickel into copper? The
    answer is that it uses up more energy than it releases. This is a well
    known reaction from supernova explosions. A star goes supernova once it
    starts to fuse elements into copper. In fact, it goes supernova well
    before that, when it starts to fuse elements into iron.
    A secret customer is a non-existent customer.
    The answers are staring you in the face right now.

    Yousuf Khan
     
  20. eric gisse

    eric gisse Guest

    Exactly right.

    The inflection point for fusion being exo vs endothermic is Iron.
    Everything after that takes in energy to fuse.
    ding ding ding ding...
     
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