Formula for PV Panels and Inverter

[wmbjk]

This from Wayne who has admitted that he can chew through 10kWh in four
hours.

If you want to be taken seriously you can start by documenting your system.

You can't though can you?

Weasel to English translation: "I'm embarrassed to have used and
promoted a rule of thumb that never made any sense or served any
useful purpose".

Do you ever consider simply defending your positions rationally? Since
you're not up to that, perhaps you could hire someone to do it for
you. Although you might heed this rule of thumb - "it usually costs
95% less to begin with a rational position".

I see that despite all your top-posting, even Gymmy Bob has turned
against you. Now you know how GW felt when Moldova withdrew its 24
troops from the "coalition". Say, wasn't Boris Badenov from Moldova?

Wayne

 

[Me]

Let's see:

George - posted total energy use for all fuels + solar -

Wayne - posted weight of batteries and inverters -

Conclusion Wayne knows next to nothing.

Looks good to me

Leave "Me" out of this....Solar Fart......


Me

 

[Steve Spence]

Ah yes, Windsun is a battery retailer. The reason for 50% max DOD is
that if you swallow that line you end up buying 30 to 50 percent more
batteries than you need and the battery retailer makes 30 to 50 percent
more money.

Vs. losing your batteries early because you listened to a poser on the
net who thinks he's a solar consultant because he can weld. Shut up
george, you are embarrasing yourself and damaging the credibility of
real consultants everywhere.

 

[wmbjk]

a poser on the net who thinks he's a solar consultant because he can weld.

Do you have any evidence for that article of faith? I haven't
seen any photos of his welding projects, only his own bragging about
his experience. And we sure know what that means when it comes to
solar. I do remember that he didn't recognize an arched axle, and even
refused to believe they existed. That blunder is the welding
equivalent of recommending 300k wire for alternator field control.

In the welding trade there are millions with certs who've only
progressed one step beyond the guy pushing a wheelbarrow. Ask some of
them about their abilities and they'll tell you they could be welding
submarines.... if only they lived closer to the ocean or some such.
;-) Which is about the same as a self-titled "solar power consultant"
who pretends he knows all, yet even after 20 years still needs to be
told repeatedly that inverters are sized for power and not energy.

Wayne

 

[Steve Spence]

Funny, you never have anything to contribute for months
until George posts again.

Are you here for the topic at hand....ever?

"wmbjk" <[email protected]> wrote in message

Actually Wayne contributes quite a bit here, more than you do .....

Saving the world from bozo's like george is only a part time job for
Wayne. Are you trying to increase his work load?

 

[wmbjk]

Funny, you never have anything to contribute for months
until George posts again.

Are you here for the topic at hand....ever?

"Funny" how you're actually dopey enough to claim something that's so
easily disproved. Prior to these recent threads I last posted a couple
of days ago http://tinyurl.com/9ke26, and a few days ago
http://tinyurl.com/7q846. On topic and nothing to do with George. Now,
exactly how many "months" is a few days nitwit? Perhaps time is
different for those like you who post, uh, too often for their own
good.

When I do reply to George's posts, it's for one of two purposes. To
correct another in his endless stream of factual errors, or to torment
him for being a weasel instead of accepting correction like a man.
Which is *exactly* what you were happy to do http://tinyurl.com/acvjb
right up until the time I mocked Gymmy Bob. Now why would you take
offense at that given that you've claimed not to be him? I think you
and George make a great pair of wind... er, punching bags. In fact,
given your specialness, you should simply email George with all your
questions. What could go wrong? Oh, and you might start collecting
some 300k wire...

Wayne

 

[George Ghio]

Vs. losing your batteries early because you listened to a poser on the
net who thinks he's a solar consultant because he can weld. Shut up
george, you are embarrasing yourself and damaging the credibility of
real consultants everywhere.

Taken from alt.solar.photovoltaic. Same question - 50% vs 70% DOD.


Well steve, does this look familiar:


1. Enter your daily amp-hour requirement. (From the Load Sizing
Worksheet, line 10)

2. Enter the maximum number of consecutive cloudy weather days expected
in your area, or the number of days of autonomy you would like your
system to support.

3. Multiply the amp-hour requirement by the number of days. This is the
amount of amp-hours your system will need to store.

4. Enter the depth of discharge for the battery you have chosen. This
provides a safety factor so that you can avoid over-draining your
battery bank (Example: If the discharge limit is 20%, use 0.2) This
number should not exceed 0.8

Yes, it's straight off your web site. Interesting thing is that 0.8 is
an eighty percent DOD.

How do you explain this?

Misinformation is the hall mark of many people in these groups.

Do you use 50% of your battery capacity every day?

Do you propose that other people should use 50% of their batty capacity
every day?

Are you really so willing to spread any misinformation in your quest to
prove me wrong?



This following is the full quote from my post. Steve felt that it would
not serve his purpose to use the full quote. Again. Despite the fact
that he is quite happy to advise that a DOD of up to 80% is acceptable
on his site


Tim this is a complete and utter fabrication. You can use as much as 80%
max DOD. I prefer 70% myself. What it comes down to is how often you
discharge your batteries to this level and how long they stay in the low
state of discharge.

During normal operating conditions your daily DOD should be in line with
your chosen days of autonomy and your daily load.

If for example you have a daily load of 2kWh and five days autonomy you
would need a battery bank of around 1400Ah. This would provide 2kWh a
day leaving your batteries ~70% discharged after five days. Your daily
DOD would be 13.5%

Now if you reduce the max DOD to 50% you would need to increase the
battery bank to nearly 2000 Ah.

On the other hand if you are working at a 50% daily DOD you will have
only one and a bit days autonomy, no matter what size your battery bank


The credibility in question is yours Steve.

If you were to use 20% as the max DOD the size of the battery bank would
be nearly 4900 Ah in the above example. So who's a poser, Steve?

 

[Steve Spence]

I believe that this forum is for constructive purposes. There is no
need for anyone to name and discredit others. We're here to help each
other, not point out and discredit. So, help George, don't put him
down. Please.

We have tried in the past. George doesn't want help, as he has all the
answers already. Ask him, he'll tell you.

 

[Steve Spence]

Are you really Wayne posting secretly?

I can see you and he make great assholes together too
since the insults are flying and you are being stupid.

I'm not wayne, and if we post similar, it's because we both know what we
are doing.

 

[Steve Spence]

Forget it PRC. These guys are just trolls looking for
some attention. This breaks out every couple of days
here between the jackasses and hyenas.

Check the archives, Wayne has had the shit kicked out
of him by George for a few years now and he cries like
a baby everytime George posts. Then Steve and few other
brainless goons join in support the action because
their wive's reject them.

Good entertainment though when people have nothing else
to say.

LOL

George never bested anybody. He's not capable. He thinks he can, and
that is what makes it so much fun to prove him wrong with facts. The
fact that you think he did doesn't say much for you however. It's
interesting that the ones who oppose george are the ones who actually
walk the walk, and those who support him have never installed solar or
lived off-grid.

 

[Anthony Matonak]

I believe that this forum is for constructive purposes. There is no
need for anyone to name and discredit others. We're here to help each
other, not point out and discredit. So, help George, don't put him
down. Please.

Unfortunately, there are people who refuse to be helped. No one
can help them. The best anyone can do is post corrections to
whatever misinformation such people post. This may help others
who would otherwise be misled.

Anthony

 

[wmbjk]

I believe that this forum is for constructive purposes. There is no
need for anyone to name and discredit others. We're here to help each
other, not point out and discredit. So, help George, don't put him
down. Please.

I take it you're new here....

If George was interested in being helped then he wouldn't make
outrageous accusations in response to fair comments. That MO has been
the same for pretty much his entire posting history of about six
years, so you should consider that he might *like* being kicked
around. Heck, one might even say that those who turn the other cheek
to George's attacks are denying him his raison d'etre.

Wayne

 

[You]

I believe that this forum is for constructive purposes. There is no
need for anyone to name and discredit others. We're here to help each
other, not point out and discredit. So, help George, don't put him
down. Please.

ooooh, ooooh, It is the "Can't we all, just get along" guy......In just
what World do you live..... Humans have NEVER, "Just got along"......

 

[wmbjk]

message news:[email protected]...

You have been bested by George many times including
this time.

In your imagination perhaps Gymmy Bob. But then, that's the same place
where you believe that nym-shifting will prevent readers from Googling
your name(s), and therefore allow you to escape your past antics and
escape kill filters. Well guess what? A simple search for a single key
word under but one variation of each of the last two names you used
here before morphing into the Solar Flake, reveals everything anyone
needs to know about you and your tactics. http://tinyurl.com/8blbo
http://tinyurl.com/dx9h4 Boy howdy that sure sounds like somebody
whose version of history can be taken to the bank. But if you've
really convinced *yourself*, then why hang around here where
everybody's supposedly been bested by Judge Nitwit? Seems like you
could save time by grabbing a roll of butcher paper and a mile of 300k
wire, and have good old George tell you what to do with them...

Wayne

 

[wmbjk]

Got you good again.

The only thing you "got" is a well-deserved bad rep that can't be
escaped even by constant nym shifting.

What you need to "get" is a copy of George's "book". That way you can
be up <snorf> to George's level in a matter of days. Don't have $25 to
spare? I'm shocked! Perhaps we could raise the money for you though a
contest to choose your next nym. I'll put a nickel on L.O. Ayekew.

Wayne

 

[wmbjk]

Can't you send me your copy

You're right about that, because I don't have one. George about blew a
gasket when he thought that someone might email me a copy. And when I
need advice I look for knowledgeable sources anyway.

You on the other hand, just a couple of days ago asked for the most
basic advice on array angle, so you clearly have a lot to learn. In
fact, you're about the only person to ever pass through these groups
who knows so little that he might actually learn something from
George. And, he can't get you started on any strange thinking since
that's your normal state of being. As if all that wasn't enough to
make you the perfect customer, you're also the only poster who claims
to believe that George has any knowledge worth sharing. So, let's see
you put your money where your mouth is.

Taz...oooops I mean Tazoar
or Gymmy Bob or whatever you use du jour.
didn't think so. You would have to get a Postal Stamp
cancellation that would pin you down to one location in
the world and it wouldn't be anywhere near your lies
tell us.

I will be happy to send you a letter from Hualapai Arizona. Post or
email your address, the letter will go out on Saturday on our next
trip to town. I'll even post a photo of it being dropped in the box if
you like. In exchange, you can hold the letter in front of your array
<snorf>, take a photo, and post that where we can all see it. I
believe that 1. you'll be ashamed to show us anything at all, 2. you
don't have $25 to spare, 3. you don't think any better of George than
the rest of us do, and won't pay a nickel for anything from him, and
4. I won't have to pay for that stamp because you're a spineless
nym-shifting twerp who will simply post more incoherent crap now that
your bluff has been called.

Wayne

 

[wmbjk]

You need to get back onyour medication.

Gee, what a surprise, the Solar Fake won't lift a finger to prove his
BS theories. Gymmy, if you're going to spend your time living a
fantasies on the Internet, shouldn't you be pretending to be an
astronaut or something? I could almost understand that with spaceships
being so expensive and all. But the Walter Mitty of solar? Cripes man,
you could just buy something. That surely makes more sense than
getting busted for being a fake. And what's the point of using
multiple identities when it's so easy for readers to spot all your
posts?

Oh, and your stupid Gymmy-trick of crossposting to alt.clueless was
lame as usual. Golly, what a coinkydink that your previous identities
were regulars in that group eh genius? For instance
http://tinyurl.com/an4rb

Wayne

 

[William P.N. Smith]

Gee, what a surprise

I'm once again amazed that Wayne is still flogging this dead horse.
He's not going to stop, Wayne, just killfile him and get on with your
life!

 

[wmbjk]

I'm once again amazed that Wayne is still flogging this dead horse.
He's not going to stop, Wayne, just killfile him and get on with your
life!

I'll always have time in my life to help poor old George make at least
one book sale here. BTW, Gymmy's not a dead horse yet. He's
still in the middle stages of Terminal Loopiness.

Wayne

 

[Steve Spence]

You have been bested by George many times including
this time.

How does the hook taste?

Only one of george's sock puppets would consider this a victory for
george. Again, he weasels off into the night without a clue.

Apparently you as well.

george has never bested me except in his dreams.