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Tom Del Rosso

Jan 1, 1970
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FETs were theorized in 1924, and BJT was prototyped in 1948.

But when was the first FET prototype, and the the first production units of
either?
 
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Joerg

Jan 1, 1970
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Tom said:
FETs were theorized in 1924, and BJT was prototyped in 1948.

But when was the first FET prototype, and the the first production units of
either?

I believe the first JFET prototype was made by William Shockley around
1952. He called it a "unipolar field effect transistor" and there should
be publications. Not sure when any serious production began. Around 1960
the metal oxide process came and thus the MOSFETs.
 
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Joerg

Jan 1, 1970
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Robert said:
Yah...his descriptions look like they were copied (stolen?) from the
inventor Julius Edgar Lilienfeld.
And J.E.F. made them as well..


Are you sure? I checked your link and others and couldn't find anything
to that end. If he built them, surely there'd be photos of them, and
some core performance data.
 
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Phil Allison

Jan 1, 1970
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legg

Jan 1, 1970
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FETs were theorized in 1924, and BJT was prototyped in 1948.

But when was the first FET prototype, and the the first production units of
either?

The earliest JEDEC jfet registration is for 2n2385, in a TO5 can. This
is a sign of rather late (1965?) commercialization.

It's possible that the usefulness of the insulated gate, developed at
about this time, was more easily demonstrated and exploited.

RL
 
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Tom Del Rosso

Jan 1, 1970
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Jim said:
Which patents are probably invalid... there's that little phrase
"reduced to practice".

Wikipedia and other sources say it can be done just by filing an
application.
 
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Joerg

Jan 1, 1970
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Robert said:
Julius Edgar Lilienfeld's *patents* show various construction methods.
Naturally, patents do not have photos and almost never anything close to
performance data.
Check all of the patents by Shockley and find the same "lack".


Ok, then we have different definitions of "made". Usually when someone
actually made a device in the last 100 years or so there is photographic
evidence, plus witnesses. In the case of Shockley there is no lack:

http://www.cedmagic.com/history/transistor-1947.html

Hey, they even donned ties for the occasion :)

Now I am not saying that Lilienfald might not have done the same, I just
haven't come across any such evidence.
 
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Joerg

Jan 1, 1970
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spamtrap1888 said:
I'm getting good at finding the answers to my own questions: One Bret
Crawford published his replication of the Lilienfeld transistor in his
Masters thesis, in 1995.

http://public.gettysburg.edu/~bcrawfor/


Wasn't it customary in the really old days that the inventor had to
actually bring his invention into the US Patent Office and demonstrate it?
 
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Joerg

Jan 1, 1970
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Jan said:
In that link they mention the Ampex VRX1000 as needing no * transistors.
I worked with that type machine :)
http://www.cedmagic.com/history/ampex-commercial-vtr-1956.html
In that picture is only half the machine,
the rest was in 2 man high racks filled with tubes.
The VR1000 was used in the Netherlands until 1971,
until the studio burned down and 6 of them went up in flames with it.
http://www.omroepfoto.nl/78/01542.jpg
Photo serie:
http://omroepfoto.nl/$01_uitdeouded...lts_all_fields.php?txt_search=Vitus&x=42&y=13

A Dutch Reformed Church turned into a TV studio ... oh man ...

Adventurous days!
I had many footsteps in that studio..
Man do I remember that fire.


So who shot Bambi and hung her up in the stair case?
 
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P E Schoen

Jan 1, 1970
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"Tom Del Rosso" wrote in message
FETs were theorized in 1924, and BJT was prototyped in 1948.
But when was the first FET prototype, and the the first production units
of either?

The 2N107 was 1955. I have one or two of them:
http://semiconductormuseum.com/PhotoGallery/PhotoGallery_2N107.htm

The first JEDEC number was 2N34 in 1954:
http://semiconductormuseum.com/PhotoGallery/2N34.htm

I have at least one CK722, vintage 1953:
http://semiconductormuseum.com/PhotoGallery/PhotoGallery_CK722_Black.htm

The CK718 was 1952:
http://semiconductormuseum.com/PhotoGallery/PhotoGallery_CK718.htm

The Bell Labs transistor is listed as the first, vintage 1951 (I was two
years old):
http://semiconductormuseum.com/PhotoGallery/PhotoGallery_M1752.htm

Somewhere I have a four-lead metal can transistor labeled "U S Army" and I
think it is a FET. If I find it I'll search for the number. Not sure how old
it is. I got it in a "Poly-Packs" grab bag in the mid sixties.

Paul
 
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Phil Allison

Jan 1, 1970
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"Robert Baer = Fuckhead "
I dare say that the majority of patents up to 1935 (at least) had NO
"photographic evidence".

** So photography was invented in 1935 was it ??

ROTFLMAO !!!!!!!!!!

Wot a fucking IDIOT !!!!!!!!!



...... Phil
 
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Joerg

Jan 1, 1970
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Robert said:
I dare say that the majority of patents up to 1935 (at least) had NO
"photographic evidence".

That would be very surprising. I do not mean that it has to be in the
patent itself. When I was young and eager to build anyting I could get
my hands on I looked for tube stuff. Because those were literally free,
plucked from discarded TV sets. Some of the publications I used were
pre-WW2 and they had pretty detailed photos in there. B/W and sometimes
a bit grainy, of course, but lots. I can't imagine that he wouldn't have
published if he had built a working prototype of a FET, doing its job
inside some amplifier or a similar application. Or even just on the
bench. Especially as a director of a research lab he should have been
eager to publish. In those position that is kind of expected.
 
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Joerg

Jan 1, 1970
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Robert said:
Reasonable point. I think (no research done) that he was not
associated with any kind of a lab. It may be that his version of the FET
was accidental and at home.


Not sure how or where he invented it but he worked in academic settings
pretty much all his life. At an institute at Leipzig University in
German and then after moving to the US he headed some big research lab
over here. AFAIK he never worked in private industry.

Vulcanization of rubber was a home accident..


Like the bumper sticker "Shit happens" that Forrest Gump invented? :)

As far as selling (even the idea) goes, remember those times were in
the muddle of the Depression and money was rather scarce to say the least.

Yep. When people don't know how to put food on the table they sure won't
be interested in some new product with a FET in there. An invention is
only worth something if it can make a product more lucrative.
 
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Joerg

Jan 1, 1970
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Bill said:
But on the theme of patent validity: Has anyone tried to build a Lilienthal transistor from his patent?

Yes, Bell Labs did successfully. They kept quiet, no doubt to keep
the publicity from detracting from their breakthrough, but the info
was exposed in an old legal deposition from JB Johnson during the
patenting. If you go track down the very first Bell Labs 1948
research paper on the transistor, there's also a paper in the same
journal issue about their testing of a FET, but they carefully avoid
saying this actually had been their test of Lilienfeld's patents.
(This is why business is incompatible with science. When the research
makes the business claims look bad, then the lies start spreading.)

Besides Stockman's report of a Lilienfeld transistor radio, the
article below mentions a grad student B. Crawford in 1991 built
successful but unstable Lilienfeld transistors for his dissertation,
and in 1995 J. Ross built stable ones.


From Bell System Memorial site:

A fascinating letter to Wireless World in May 1981 under this title
came from Dr Harry E. Stockman of Sercolab (Arlington, MA.) Then 76
years old, he had lived through the era under discussion and provided
a valuable summary of "prior art" preceding the re-invention of the
transistor. His letter had been triggered by a "Sixty Years Ago" item
(in the same periodical) recalling an article by W. T. Ditcham on
crystal oscillation in its May 1920 issue...

"Says Stockman, himself a distinguished author of many books and
papers on semiconductor physics:

"(Lilienfeld) created his non-tube device around 1923, with one foot
in Canada and the other in the USA, and the date of his Canadian
patent application was October 1925. Later American patents followed,
which should have been well known to the Bell Labs patent office.
Lilienfeld demonstrated his remarkable tubeless radio receiver on many
occasions, but God help a fellow who at that time threatened the reign
of the tube.

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Below is paraphrased from "The Other Transistor: early history of the
MOSFET" See pp235-236: http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpls/abs_all.jsp?arnumber=730824

In 1964 a physicist V. Bottom asked in Physics Today magazine whether
Lilienfeld’s transistors worked, and J. B. Johnson of Bell Labs
responded saying that he’d tested them and they didn’t.

This then is probably the origin of the story that Lilienfeld never
had
any working hardware. An apparently trustworthy physicist (well
known,
of Johnson Noise fame) said so.

Then in 1995 R. G. Arns found a 1948 Bell Labs patent deposition by
Johnson which said the opposite: that Bell Labs back then had a
project
to test Lilienfeld’s transistors, and before Johnson took over the
project, Shockely and Pearson had built a variation of Lilienfeld’s
aluminum oxide MOSFET from his patent and found only an 11% modulation
index, but that "useful power output is substantial" ( ! ) And then
they published a paper about this result. ( !! ) After
Shockley/Pearson’s success, Johnson had tested the other two
Lilienfeld
patents and was unable to replicate them …so Johnson was only
dishonest by omission, by covering up the fact that Bell Labs well
knew
that Lilienfeld had something real. Between these times B. Crawford in
1991 built successful but unstable Lilienfeld MOSFETs as his MS
dissertation, and saw evidence that Lilienfeld must have built similar
devices. In 1995 J. Ross built stable Lilienfeld MOSFETs. In addition
to all this, a 1934 patent by Oskar Heil exists for another thin-film
MOSFET.

The author makes very telling statements about the honesty of these
physicists:

"Published scientific, technical, and historical papers
by these Bell scientists never mention either Lilienfeld’s or
Heil’s prior work."

"Why … did Bell Laboratories personnel fail to
acknowledge the earlier work of persons such as
Lilienfeld and Heil? None of the Bell publications on
transistors carries a reference to their work, not even
the 1948 paper in which Shockley and Pearson
demonstrated the field-effect experimentally. We also
have J. B. Johnson’s 1964 public response to Virgil
Bottom compared to the admission contained in his
1949 affidavit filed in support of patent proceedings: the
1964 statement, by failing to mention Shockley and
Pearson’s 1948 confirmation of Lilienfeld’s US Patent
No. 1,900,018, appears to have been deliberately
misleading. .The official history of the Bell System
electronics work mentions Lilienfeld’s and Heil’s
patents only in endnotes to a footnote. The footnote
speaks of earlier patents which ‘date back to the 1920s’
and states that ‘apparently all attempts to realise these
concepts were futile[33]. In 1988, John Bardeen finally
admitted that ‘He [Lilienfeld] had the basic concept of
controlling the flow of current in a semiconductor to
make an amplifing devicee”[34]. It seems possible that
Shockley et al. had given up on the MOSFET idea
due to surface problems; otherwise the admission, in
Johnson’s affidavit, that the Shockley and Pearson
experiment corresponded to Lilienfeld’s patent, would
not have been so easy. It is also likely that they were
silent and/or dismissive in their own publications and
utterances in order to bolster their patent applications
and to minimise challenges to their priority."

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One is led to wonder what the 1956 Nobel prize committee would have
thought had they known that Lilienfeld had built a functioning
pre-1940 transistor radio, and that Shockley had avoided referencing
Lilienfeld’s work in Shockley’s 1948 paper announcing that
Lilienfeld’s FET transistors gave substantial gain.

Thanks, Bill. Very interesting history lesson.

One puzzler though: If Lilienfeld really had a pre-1940 transistor radio
and, as claimed, "demonstrated his remarkable tubeless radio receiver on
many occasions" this begs some questions.

a. Where is that radio today? I can't imagine stuff like that just being
tossed out.

b. Is there any photo of it? If not that would be highly unusual.

c. Is there a schematic of it? Drawings?

d. Was this published? I cannot imagine something like this not being
published if it really happened and the radio worked.
 
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