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Discussion in 'Security Alarms' started by pinball plus inc., Sep 5, 2004.

  1. hello all, i just purchased a 2600 sq ft. building which is half
    workshop and half retail. I had a quote for the alarm system which has
    to be ul listed equipment . I need 2 heat detectors in the workshop ,a
    smoke detector up front and 2 horn strobes. The cost installed is
    1800.00. Just wondered if this seems like a fair price. Thanks! John
    Ross
     
  2. it its unmonitored, it a little high..
    if its monitored its about right..
    RTS
     
  3. Frank Olson

    Frank Olson Guest

    It depends on where you are, the occupancy class of the premise, what kind
    of heat/smoke detectors are being used. Can you be a little more
    discriptive?? What's the panel being proposed, type of heat detectors, etc.
    Why horn/strobes?? Are we talking a very noisy environment?? We need more
    details!!! :))


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  4. Frank Olson

    Frank Olson Guest


    Without knowing the details of the application, or the equipment being
    proposed, how can you judge what's "too high" and "about right"?? Sheesh!!!
     
  5. Well Frank I just compared the equipment listed with the cost and labor
    needed..
    The panel for such a small system could be a 1 or 2 zone unit..
    his only requirement was UL equipment.. which is nearly everthing out
    there..
    the only unknown that would effect the price in a mojor way was if it had to
    be in conduit..
    RTS
     
  6. Frank Olson

    Frank Olson Guest


    Hmmm. Conduit. That could make the actual installation a bit of a bear.
    At 2600 square feet something's not quite right either (with respect to the
    device count). There could be dividing walls, closets, high ceilings,
    perhaps even a mezzanine. A sprinkler system would put a different "spin"
    on things. If the occupancy class requires explosion proof devices that
    would also necessitate looking at the job in an entirely different light.
    The OP could certainly provide us with some more details. It would help a
    great deal in determining whether-or-not he's getting value for his dollar.


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    Frank Olson
    http://www.yoursecuritysource.com
    Free listings for qualified dealers and industry professionals
    You can read the ASA FAQ at
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  7. Frank Olson

    Frank Olson Guest

    Ahhh... the "friendly greeting"... Let's all get "buddy-buddy", relax...

    You must know the OP pretty well. It's only "subjective" in your eyes...

    What devices? What kind of heat detectors is the company quoting? What's
    the code requirements for the installation?

    "Depending on the level of difficulty" could mean having to run conduit...
    I think your arbitrary "six hour upper limit" is a bit "light" in those
    circumstances... But I've forgotten. You *know* the poster.

    Uh-huh... That's the shill.

    quoted.

    That's the "comparison".

    And there's the "professional putdown"...

    Bass is right. Buy the stuff from him and install it yourself. I'm sure
    he'll tell you all about the necessary code requirements, pulling the
    necessary permits and having the inspection/verification done... Heck...
    I'm sure he can teach you how to bend pipe and install the cable in about an
    hour on the phone and afterwards inspect the job "remotely" for you,
    download the panel, and sign off on it as well. Do you have a web cam??
    :))


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    http://www.yoursecuritysource.com
    Free listings for qualified dealers and industry professionals
    You can read the ASA FAQ at
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  8. Frank Olson

    Frank Olson Guest

    Sound advice!!

    That sorta "stood out" in the OP's post as well... I had alarm bells
    ringing... The guy's posting through Google but the email addy looks
    legit... :))


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    Frank Olson
    http://www.yoursecuritysource.com
    Free listings for qualified dealers and industry professionals
    You can read the ASA FAQ at
    http://www.yoursecuritysource.com/asafaq.htm
     
  9. Bob Worthy

    Bob Worthy Guest

    Sheesh!!!

    A telco run and RJ make a big difference, don't ya know.
     
  10. Bob Worthy

    Bob Worthy Guest

    May have to have strobes in the bathrooms if they are open to the public. Is
    this a required system of voluntary? Need at least a smoke or heat where the
    panel is. Pull stations at the exits? What type of workshop is it? Any spray
    booths? What about storage areas? Alot of unknowns here. Was this a sales
    type person that looked at the job or was it actually speced out and plans
    drawn by their fire installation department? Has it been sent to fire plan
    approval through your local jurisdiction? One thing that happens is that
    there will be a little line in the proposal that says "subject to the AHJ's
    approval". All of a sudden the plans come back with alot more equipment
    being required by the fire marshall. You have already excepted the proposed
    price and agreed that you may have to add more. Get a price on an approved
    set of plans. The cost of this will be in the final proposed price, but it
    will get you alot closer to reality.

    Bob4Secur
     
  11. Bob Worthy

    Bob Worthy Guest

    The equipment doesn't hardly cover the spacing requirements, does it, no
    matter how you shape the building. Especially when one of the devices needs
    to be at the panel. What type of ceiling is in the workshop? I take it there
    is a patition between the retail space and the workshop area. Someone is
    blowing smoke already.

    Bob4Secur
     
  12. Bob Worthy

    Bob Worthy Guest

    That goes for most all civilized areas in the country, Jim. That is why
    there are standards for fire in the **NATIONAL** Fire Protection Association
    and the **LIFE SAFETY** Code. We have all seen the "Free" security system
    but will never see the "Free" fire alarm system. One's life isn't very safe
    with cheap and the fire marshalls will not let inadequate systems exist if
    the systems are required.

    Bob4Secur
     
  13. Bob Worthy

    Bob Worthy Guest

    I see that with alot of posts that come here. They don't get what they want
    to hear and just go away. Lets give him the benefit of the doubt and just
    maybe he is blistering someones behind. He may have been talking to a burg
    guy that just doesn't know commercial fire and see's no problem with
    connecting a couple of smokes and a heat to a rezy panel. He does it all the
    time.

    Bob4Secur
     
  14. Bossman

    Bossman Guest

    I wish I lived in a place where we could mark up material and labor
    100%-300% over cost. I have been bidding on small to medium fire
    systems in the Dallas area with a 25% markup. I don't mark-up the cost
    of plans and permits, just the equipment and labor. Our labor rate is
    $45 per hour, which is exactly what I pay the tech. We are either
    right on the money or a little high on most jobs. The typical markup
    here is 20%-30%, as far as I can tell.

    And...we don't require a long-term contract for the monitoring,
    inspections or service.

    Bossman
     
  15. mikey

    mikey Guest

    No wonder you're not in business any more. What a dope. You don't think your
    workmanship or service is as good as the next fellow's? A little less??
    You come in at less than half the norm. I'm surprised you got any work at
    all.
     
  16. Frank Olson

    Frank Olson Guest

    What exactly do you buy at "ADI Clearwater"??? Paradox? Elk? CADDX?
    Napco? Visonic PowerMax? You don't sell Ademco. In fact you rarely (if
    ever) answer questions about it? So that leaves... sirens... and contacts
    (since you don't like Ademco contacts, you must be selling Tane)... Heh,
    heh, heh...

    Speaking of "wonders", how's the heart??
     
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