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Finally, Death of the 3.5 inch floppy disk

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  1. Don McKenzie

    Don McKenzie Guest

    Sony to discontinue 3.5 inch floppy disk
    April 24, 11:34 PMJapan Headlines ExaminerJoshua Williams

    Sony announced on April 23rd that they will be discontinuing sales of
    the classic 3.5 inch floppy disk in Japan in 2011. The news marks a
    major end to a nearly three decade history of the disk type that the
    company helped to pioneer.

    According to Sony, they introduced the 3.5 inch floppy disk size to the
    world in 1981, and began sales within Japan in 1983. Sony had shipped
    approximately 47 million disks within the country at its peak around the
    year 2000, but that number had fallen to around 8.5 million by 2009,
    Sankei News reported.

    Cheers Don...

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  2. Don McKenzie

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    Hi Lewin,

    Considering Sony produced the first 3.5" floppies, and currently hold
    70% of the world market, and many other manufacturers have pulled the
    plug, I would say death is very close to describing what the usage will
    be in 2011.

    Some people still go to drive-in cinemas, use Betamax video format,
    rotary dial phones, and Edison wax cylinders, so these aren't dead either.

    Only thing that is really dead, are people that fall off the perch. :)

    Cheers Don...

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  3. Don McKenzie

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    Just a thought.
    How many kids 15 or under would know what a rotary dial is, or ever used

    Then, how many kids 15 or under, have ever written, or read a file
    to/from a 3.5" floppy?.

    Not a lot I would think.
    I can't remember when I last used a floppy, must be many years. Would
    have been to prop up a short leg on a table. :)

    Footnote **
    I laugh when the little ones of today, have to look at the back of your
    camera, after you take a picture. What did we do before they put the
    screen there?

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  4. Mr.T

    Mr.T Guest

    Most people waited 3 months to get their film processed before they found
    out he photo was no good!
    Digital camera's have at least seen a rise in people thinking about what
    they have shot. Unfortunately camera phones have seen a fall in the quality
    of many of those "photo's".

  5. Mr.T

    Mr.T Guest

    WOW, still 8.5 million sales in 2009 from one company alone! So far from
    dead then.

  6. Someone forgot to tell microsoft.

    The only way to load device drivers (drive interfaces, SCSI drivers
    etc) when installing windows is via the drive at A:. And that's your
    only option.

    Short of creating a magical alternate boot install CD/DVD for every new
    model of box we get. Not looking forward to it.
  7. Mr.T

    Mr.T Guest

    (c) Digital music downloads.
    (d) Music DVD's

    Vinyl rose from a *VERY* small base, and CD's fell due to digital downloads
    and DVD's.

    Once again proving that unqualified statistics prove nothing at all!

  8. Mr.T

    Mr.T Guest

    Yes you appeared to be making an invalid point.
    How silly, even digital downloads must end up on some "physical media
    format", even if it's a hard drive.
    And IF you consider vinyl to be analogous to buggy whips, why the silly quiz
    in the first place?

    Now that's *really* silly. I have about a hundred, and there are *many*
    thousands currently available.

  9. No idea about Vista, but have installed Win7 several times so far, and
    yes, your only option is F6 to look at drive A:.
    Indeed. I've never had much luck with the longevity of 3.5" disks.
    They simply do not last. And, owning to the fact we don't use them too
    often, (we get boxs with newfanged interfaces when we're least expecting
    it) we grab the first disk that's been kicking around in cabinet here.
    After we go through several bad ones, we throw them out to find there
    are none left.

    As I said, we can create a custom boot disk, this is very doable, but
    we could have that box up and running in several minutes verses lots more.

    Contrary to popular belief we DO have more important things to do than
    screw around with installs that don't like to play with the other children.
  10. My latest machine lacks floppy support on the motherboard (Asus P6T
    WS). They suggest using a USB flash drive or USB floppy for RAID

    Best regards,
    Spehro Pefhany
  11. Now that you mention it, my experience mimics that too. Long term
    storage appears to be very much pot luck, but much longer than what I
    would have though reasonable for floppy media.

    Writes on the other hand, pretty much all long term age disks proved
    failure prone in this regard.
  12. That's nice, but USB flash drives won't ever map to A: or B:. This is
    done intentionally, and it makes perfect sense. But it doesn't help the
    fact that Windows will not look at *any* other drive than A:.

    So, that leaves USB interfaced FDDs, or, as already suggested, creating
    an alternative boot disk with the drivers included.

  13. I have a Flash Drive that mimics part of its space as a USB Floppy
    that *does* map to drive A: or B:. Unfortunately it doesn't work very
    well with most systems. :(

    Of course this is all only just for WinXP (ie. that Windows release
    from 8 years ago), or Server 2003 from 7 years ago..

    Vista & Win7/Server 2008 either release have methods to read in
    RAID/HBA drivers off flash or USB devices during installation while
    booted into WinPE. And its easy to make a new WinPE boot environment
    with said drivers if needed.
  14. Joerg

    Joerg Guest

    I have stashed away 3-1/2" disks and also 5-1/4" floppies. In production
    the lifetime of machines is often many decades and there are numerous
    machines that will not be re-programmable via any other means.

    Until recently we paid an extra tax via the phone bill to finance the
    Spanish-American war which AFAIK ended in 1898 ...

    We learned how to take good photographs, in my case I took classes.
    Because the cost of a 24 or 36 roll of 35mm film (or 12 exposures in the
    6cm by 6cm days) was rather substantial and you could not waste any of
    it. So we spent some time getting the lighting right, making sure
    everything else was just right, and so on. Often there was no chance to
    re-take a shot because you would not know until several days later
    whether the result was ok or not.
  15. SG1

    SG1 Guest

    I have some disks from 1993 that are still readable. I have some from later
    that are gibberish, reformat did not help them come back to life. Guess it
    depends on the manufacturer.
  16. Joerg

    Joerg Guest

    Let's assume a retail price of 50c a pop. And that's a lot because that
    is what I paid in the early 90's for top quality disks. This would be
    $4.25 million in gross revenue. In the world of big corporations that
    generates a long-stretched yawn, followed by the drop of the axe.
  17. Joerg

    Joerg Guest

    Interesting. What's decaying about them? I've got Fuji MF2HD from the
    90's and they still work fine.
  18. F Murtz

    F Murtz Guest

    No wonder the sales have fallen, I have not seen any for sale for a year
    or so in any of the big chains or even computer markets.
  19. atec7 7

    atec7 7 Guest

    They are still around but the usb stick far out sells them
  20. Magnum

    Magnum Guest

    Hardly surprising because Sneakernet with a floppy = 1.4Mb.

    Sneakernet with a USB stick = several Gb.
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