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  1. Another Joe

    Another Joe Guest

    I need a little help interpreting a programming question & CS error code.
    What type of trouble would send a CODE F to the monitoring station? I looked
    at program question 16/L3 and that has F as the default. The question says
    "This code will be reported on the DAY TROUBLE and any FIRE TROUBLE". is it
    a dirty smoke detector, also what's a DAY Trouble? as always any assistance
    would be greatly appreciated ...
     
  2. thesatguy

    thesatguy Guest

    Thats a really really really really old panel - it doesn't know anything
    about dirty smoke detectors because when it was designed they didn't have
    any 'dirty' smoke detector technology.

    It willl report a trouble signal for day trouble however most peeps in
    business now have now idea what a day circuit is.

    It will also report a trouble signal if the fire circuit went open.

    Usually it reports a trouble signal when the customer tries to enter his
    code way too many time cause they don't know what it is. Thats the cause of
    most trouble signals - it also reports trouble for ac off and low battery.
     
  3. Crash Gordon

    Crash Gordon Guest

    day trouble was for foil zones...you can still use it for stuff. I use it
    once in a while but not for foil.


    |I need a little help interpreting a programming question & CS error code.
    | What type of trouble would send a CODE F to the monitoring station? I
    looked
    | at program question 16/L3 and that has F as the default. The question says
    | "This code will be reported on the DAY TROUBLE and any FIRE TROUBLE". is
    it
    | a dirty smoke detector, also what's a DAY Trouble? as always any
    assistance
    | would be greatly appreciated ...
    |
    |
     
  4. Another Joe

    Another Joe Guest

    This is for a relative's system that was in the house when they moved in and
    it's not close enough for me to have a look. I'm only a DIY guy but I do
    have *some* experience with these panels however I'm struggling trying to
    figure out what it is and how often it's sent? I asked them to call the CS
    and provide more details, it may have been a one shot deal with the CS?



    I was thinking a low battery too however that's two locations on question
    14 (L3 -L4) and the AC loss is question 13 (L3-L4) and the default(s) are
    AA likely to be changed to digits I would think? I belive the AA is null so
    would it still send an F if it can't send two digits? I know they do have
    some power outages and the battery is(was) three years old so I did suggest
    they changed the battery, that was done today.
     
  5. Another Joe

    Another Joe Guest

    So would that me mean the foil is tired? I have to see if they have any
    foil installed
     
  6. Mark Leuck

    Mark Leuck Guest

    It doesn't sound like you should be screwing with it
     
  7. Another Joe

    Another Joe Guest

    I haven't touched it, I just want to know what it is....
     
  8. Bob Worthy

    Bob Worthy Guest

    Day trouble or day zone feature is a feature that monitors a zone for
    trouble when the system is in the disarmed mode. Usually used in commercial
    applications so that if there is a trouble, the store owner gets a
    notification, locally, through central station or both, of the trouble
    prior to trying to arm the system at closing time. The reason for the foil
    mention is that it is a common application in older commercial locations and
    is easily damaged, either intentionally or unintentionally. Gives the owner
    a chance to get it fixed prior to closing.
     
  9. thesatguy

    thesatguy Guest

    If low battery and ac failure both have AA in them they will not report
    trouble. Chances are there are no day zones either so unless theres some
    heat detectors on one zone probably no fire trouble to report either..
     
  10. Another Joe

    Another Joe Guest

    Thanks for the reply back...it is a residence and the only thing I know for
    sure is there are frequent power outages, it area.. I understand the foil
    suggestion but I asked and they don't have it. for now I had them replace
    the battery since it was tired anyway and we will see how it goes, if they
    continue to have problems I will go out an meter each zone.
     
  11. Doug L

    Doug L Guest

    Any type of trouble, or for that matter any type of alarm could send an "F"
    depending on the CS format used and how the panel was programmed, the
    default probably has nothing to do with it, an "F" has likely been
    programmed into one or more reporting locations.
    ..
    In the 3-1 format "F" would normally be interpreted by a Radionics and other
    receivers as a trouble code.

    If a 3-1 format is being used it was fairly common to program an "F" for all
    trouble signals. Low battery and anything else the panel can report may ( or
    may not) have been programmed to send an "F" on trouble, does the panel send
    restores?, is their a trouble condition showing at the premises?.

    My advice is to check the programming on the panel, something that should be
    done whenever an undefined signal is received, there could be other
    unidentified codes just waiting to be sent.

    Doug L
     
  12. Crash Gordon

    Crash Gordon Guest

    See Doug L.'s response below. It's probably F=any trouble...like AC fail
    too.


    |
    | | >
    | > | >>
    | >> | >> > day trouble was for foil zones...you can still use it for stuff. I
    use
    | > it
    | >> > once in a while but not for foil.
    | >> >
    | >>
    | >> So would that me mean the foil is tired? I have to see if they have
    any
    | >> foil installed
    | >
    | > Day trouble or day zone feature is a feature that monitors a zone for
    | > trouble when the system is in the disarmed mode. Usually used in
    | > commercial
    | > applications so that if there is a trouble, the store owner gets a
    | > notification, locally, through central station or both, of the trouble
    | > prior to trying to arm the system at closing time. The reason for the
    foil
    | > mention is that it is a common application in older commercial locations
    | > and
    | > is easily damaged, either intentionally or unintentionally. Gives the
    | > owner
    | > a chance to get it fixed prior to closing.
    | >>
    | Thanks for the reply back...it is a residence and the only thing I know
    for
    | sure is there are frequent power outages, it area.. I understand the foil
    | suggestion but I asked and they don't have it. for now I had them replace
    | the battery since it was tired anyway and we will see how it goes, if they
    | continue to have problems I will go out an meter each zone.
    |
    |
    |
     
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