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  1. Harry D

    Harry D Guest

    There must be a better way to fab 2 layer PCBs at low cost, quickly.
    I have no time but need PCBs quickly. It has <15 SM parts including three SOT23-5. I would love to hand off a schematic an $100 and receive three 1.00" x 1.00" x 0.063" PCB in less than four days. All parameters are negotiable. This is for prototyping so workmanship is not critical. I would have toapprove the layout before fab.
    With 3D printers,routers and chemicals, someone must have a viable solution.
    Who can do this?
    Ciao, Harry
     
  2. Harry D

    Harry D Guest

    And therein lies the problem, I could spend a day of my time and kludge some surf boards. OK, $120 + parts and I receive it assembled.
    Harry
     
  3. Guest

    I think your only hope is finding a student that is willing to work
    for nothing but the fun of it, but just getting the pcbs made
    and delivered in 4 day is pushing it for that price

    -Lasse
     
  4. rickman

    rickman Guest

    I've always wondered why the service bureaus never adopted this as a
    business model, send us your Gerber files and we'll send you the
    engraved (or routed as I usually call them) boards in a day. I'm
    guessing the costs were such that it wasn't much better than standard
    quick turn PCB fabrication. The only machines I have seen were all
    in-house at larger companies and sat idle most of the time.

    I think it is funny that the OP values his own time but thinks others
    work for peanuts.
     
  5. Robert Baer

    Robert Baer Guest

    ....and the new laser version would be too expensive.
     
  6. Nico Coesel

    Nico Coesel Guest

    It takes a lot of time and effort to learn how to operate these
    machines. Some manufacturers can't get their machines working properly
    themselves on an exhibition :)

    I guess etching yourself is still the easiest way.
     
  7. TTman

    TTman Guest

    There must be a better way to fab 2 layer PCBs at low cost, quickly.
    I have no time but need PCBs quickly. It has <15 SM parts including three
    SOT23-5. I would love to hand off a schematic an $100 and receive three
    1.00" x 1.00" x 0.063" PCB in less than four days. All parameters are
    negotiable. This is for prototyping so workmanship is not critical. I would
    have to approve the layout before fab.
    With 3D printers,routers and chemicals, someone must have a viable
    solution.
    Who can do this?
    Ciao, Harry

    PCB express USA. fast, quite expensive

    iteadstudio.com cheapest going but 3weeks del. about $14 for 10 boards if
    they fit 50x50mm (2"x2")
    so you could get 40 boards for $14
     
  8. Guest

    Yep. We had one at my PPoE. I think it was used once in the three
    years I was there. It took an engineer two weeks to get it working,
    then. There was one *product* that used boards from that thing but I
    think they only sold two. ;-)

    We have one at my CPoE but I doubt it's been used since I've been
    there (I use it as a source for copper clad and there is never any FR4
    dust around it). We send even simple test boards and pin converters
    out to a fab.
    Slaves are great, if you can find them. Check your local college.
    They have tons of grad students.
     
  9. Tim Williams

    Tim Williams Guest

    Heck, I'll do it. But it'll be $500 plus parts and shipping, and dead
    bug, not etched. Likely the layout will be larger or taller as a result.
    Performance should be comparable.

    Tim

    --
    Deep Friar: a very philosophical monk.
    Website: http://seventransistorlabs.com

    There must be a better way to fab 2 layer PCBs at low cost, quickly.
    I have no time but need PCBs quickly. It has <15 SM parts including three
    SOT23-5. I would love to hand off a schematic an $100 and receive three
    1.00" x 1.00" x 0.063" PCB in less than four days. All parameters are
    negotiable. This is for prototyping so workmanship is not critical. I
    would have to approve the layout before fab.
    With 3D printers,routers and chemicals, someone must have a viable
    solution.
    Who can do this?
    Ciao, Harry
     
  10. hamilton

    hamilton Guest

    And if you don't like the layout, would you still pay for it ??

    How long would it take you to layout the 15 parts on the board ?

    How long would it take for someone else to figure out what you really
    want and then layout that same board ?

    PCB art work is still more art then engineering.

    hamilton
     
  11. Guest

    Yep. I thought it was a cool idea but all the work is in the layout,
    which this thing doesn't solve. Real boards can be had in a day or
    two.
    Yep. If I can't wait the day or two, I probably can't wait for the
    layout guy, either. I'll make it dead-bug.
     
  12. Guest

    Harry - get a copy of Eagle, which is, if memory serves, free for a board
    of the small size you're describing. Spend a day doing the layout your
    self - amazing how an auto router shortens the time required.
    Then email your gerber files to AP Circuits, or some similar pcb company
    that does quick turn arounds on bare 2 sided pcboards, ie no solder masks or
    printing or plating. Typically, two boards will be in the morning FedEx
    delivery within 3 days. Cost, including shipping, for 2 10 sq inch boards is
    in the neighborhood of $120. Elapsed time - 4 days. What more could you ask?

    Hul
     
  13. "Harry D" <> schreef in bericht
    There must be a better way to fab 2 layer PCBs at low cost, quickly.
    I have no time but need PCBs quickly. It has <15 SM parts including three
    SOT23-5. I would love to hand off a schematic an $100 and receive three
    1.00" x 1.00" x 0.063" PCB in less than four days. All parameters are
    negotiable. This is for prototyping so workmanship is not critical. I would
    have to approve the layout before fab.
    With 3D printers,routers and chemicals, someone must have a viable
    solution.
    Who can do this?
    Ciao, Harry

    I make single sided boards this way but double sided through plated is in
    essence a professional job that requires correponding equipment. That's not
    to say you cannot make those PCBs at all, because I did, but not within the
    constrains you mentionend.

    petrus bitbyter
     
  14. Fred Abse

    Fred Abse Guest

    That stuff you're on, does it need a prescription?

    :)
     
  15. Harry D

    Harry D Guest

    No, old age dims the perception!
    I'm thinking that if a skilled PCB layout tech had the software and time, he could get a PCB router for cheap, spend time on it to improve his skillsthen sell his service. My job with 16 SM parts (0805 + SOT23-5) could be layout in a few hours and rout in a few hours. At $100 a crack he is making minimum wage in some cabin in Minnesota, and no 1099s.
     
  16. "Harry D" <> schreef in bericht
    | No, old age dims the perception!
    | I'm thinking that if a skilled PCB layout tech had the software and time,
    he could get a PCB router for cheap, spend | time on it to improve his
    skills then sell his service. My job with 16 SM parts (0805 + SOT23-5) could
    be layout in | a few hours and rout in a few hours. At $100 a crack he is
    making minimum wage in some cabin in Minnesota, and no |
    | 1099s.

    Suppose you're a real optimist. A crack for less then $25,- an hour for the
    design including the time and material for the PCB's. Nevertheless, as I
    *am* curious you can send the schematic and the BOM and I'll see what I can
    do for you... If anything.

    petrus bitbyter
     
  17. Harry D

    Harry D Guest

    Try this; http://www.keepandshare.com/doc/show.php?i=1136347&cat=1

    cheers, harry
     
  18. We have a LPKF since 3-4 years now. We only use it for double sided PCBs and it works like a charm. It's in constant use and once you know how to set it up it really reduces board spin time.

    Regards

    Klaus
     
  19. Harry D

    Harry D Guest

    Now that's what I'm talking about! Come on fellas, go to eBay and buy a LPFK and spin PCBs for all the world to enjoy. Get sketches from JL and make big $$.
    Cheers, Harry
     
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