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Fake Square D Circuit Breakers (RECALL)

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  1. RFI-EMI-GUY

    RFI-EMI-GUY Guest

  2. bud--

    bud-- Guest

    Thanks Joe.

    Being paranoid, and since the source is not the CPSC, I looked at the
    CPSC site and found the following recalls of apparently the same
    counterfeit SquareD breakers:

    5-2008
    Specialty Lamp International of Deerfield Beach, Fla. (as above)
    371,000 breakers
    http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml08/08286.html

    12-2007
    North American Breaker Co. Inc. (NABCO), of Burbank, Calif.
    50,000 breakers
    http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml08/08151.html

    10-2007
    Connecticut Electric & Switch Mfg. Co. (Connecticut Electric), of
    Puyallup, Wash
    64,000 breakers
    http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml08/08054.html

    11-2006
    Scott Electric Co. Inc., of Greensburg, Pa
    30,000 breakers
    http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml07/07036.html

    Crossposted to alt.home.repair
     
  3. RBM

    RBM Guest

    Bud, has there been any determination that these counterfeit, breakers are
    not made to the same specs as any other QO?
     
  4. dpb

    dpb Guest

    RBM wrote:
    ....
    No non-counterfeit recalls are there?

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  5. RBM

    RBM Guest

     
  6. dpb

    dpb Guest

    Then how did they get a recall for failure to trip? If there were no
    instances of failing to trip?

    I can see making them retract them as counterfeits but that's not the
    baliwick of CPSC; that would be a legal thingie as near as I can tell.

    And, of course, they could well be "made to the same spec's" but that's
    not _quite_ the same thing as performing to the same spec.

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  7. RBM

    RBM Guest

    OK, that's not what I heard. All I heard was that there were counterfeits
    that were being recalled, once identified, but nothing about failing to trip
     
  8. dpb

    dpb Guest

    RBM wrote:
    ....
    I hadn't "heard" anything but that's the first sentence of the link in
    the earlier posting...

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  9. RBM

    RBM Guest

    Sure, now you're telling me I should read the links!!! I saw this
    yesterday, and as so much crap comes across my screen, I didn't pay too much
    attention to it
     
  10. dpb

    dpb Guest

    Well, if you're going to pay enough attention to ask questions...

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  11. There have been warnings in the UK about counterfeits being found
    in other parts of Europe (but not as yet in the UK, AFAIK). A picture
    in a trade magazine shows one of them opened up. There are no overcurrent
    parts inside, and the toggle is just a plain switch.
     
  12. So, a perverse thought crosses one's mind: would replacing one's
    breakers with toggle switches be the equivalent of putting pennies in
    fuse sockets in the olden days?
     
  13. Guest

    | In article <483f1b7a$0$15166$>,
    |>
    |>> RBM wrote:
    |>>>> RBM wrote:
    |>>>> ...
    |>>>>> Bud, has there been any determination that these counterfeit, breakers
    |>>>>> are not made to the same specs as any other QO?
    |>>>> No non-counterfeit recalls are there?
    |>>>>
    |>>>> --I read that there weren't any incidents with the counterfeit breakers,
    |>>>> so I'm wondering if they are not in fact, the same
    |>>
    |>> Then how did they get a recall for failure to trip? If there were no
    |>> instances of failing to trip?
    |>>
    |>> I can see making them retract them as counterfeits but that's not the
    |>> baliwick of CPSC; that would be a legal thingie as near as I can tell.
    |>>
    |>> And, of course, they could well be "made to the same spec's" but that's
    |>> not _quite_ the same thing as performing to the same spec.
    |>
    |> OK, that's not what I heard. All I heard was that there were counterfeits
    |> that were being recalled, once identified, but nothing about failing to trip
    |
    | There have been warnings in the UK about counterfeits being found
    | in other parts of Europe (but not as yet in the UK, AFAIK). A picture
    | in a trade magazine shows one of them opened up. There are no overcurrent
    | parts inside, and the toggle is just a plain switch.

    How many people ever test the overcurrent aspect, anyway? I'm guessing one
    of these must have failed somewhere somehow to have gotten noticed.
     
  14. Guest

    | On 5/30/2008 6:49 AM Andrew Gabriel spake thus:
    |
    |> In article <483f1b7a$0$15166$>,
    |>>
    | >>
    |>>> RBM wrote:
    | >>>
    | >>>>
    |>>>>> RBM wrote:
    |>>>>> ...
    |>>>>>> Bud, has there been any determination that these counterfeit, breakers
    |>>>>>> are not made to the same specs as any other QO?
    |>>>>> No non-counterfeit recalls are there?
    |>>>>>
    |>>>>> --I read that there weren't any incidents with the counterfeit breakers,
    |>>>>> so I'm wondering if they are not in fact, the same
    |>>>
    |>>> Then how did they get a recall for failure to trip? If there were no
    |>>> instances of failing to trip?
    |>>>
    |>>> I can see making them retract them as counterfeits but that's not the
    |>>> baliwick of CPSC; that would be a legal thingie as near as I can tell.
    |>>>
    |>>> And, of course, they could well be "made to the same spec's" but that's
    |>>> not _quite_ the same thing as performing to the same spec.
    |>>
    |>> OK, that's not what I heard. All I heard was that there were counterfeits
    |>> that were being recalled, once identified, but nothing about failing to trip
    |>
    |> There have been warnings in the UK about counterfeits being found
    |> in other parts of Europe (but not as yet in the UK, AFAIK). A picture
    |> in a trade magazine shows one of them opened up. There are no overcurrent
    |> parts inside, and the toggle is just a plain switch.
    |
    | So, a perverse thought crosses one's mind: would replacing one's
    | breakers with toggle switches be the equivalent of putting pennies in
    | fuse sockets in the olden days?

    Yes. BTW, they do make them ... switches that replace circuit breakers.
    If you need a lot of switches in a circumstance where you don't need the
    individual overcurrent protection, and need it in a more compact space
    than could be had with a bunch of 2x4 boxes, then this might be the thing.
    Imagine if you have a need to individually switch on and off 80 different
    7 watt lights. Would you put in 10 sets of 4-gang boxes with duplex switches
    in each, or put in an 84-slot panel and 80 switches? The latter might cost
    more due to the big box. The latter might not fit so well.

    I don't recall if the breakers are cheaper than switches, but perhaps the
    economy of scale of production for breakers could do that.
     
  15. AFAIK, they were discovered by manufacturers investigating how
    their products were turning up on the market too cheaply and
    undercutting the official distributors.
     
  16. Guest

    | In article <>,
    | writes:
    |>| There have been warnings in the UK about counterfeits being found
    |>| in other parts of Europe (but not as yet in the UK, AFAIK). A picture
    |>| in a trade magazine shows one of them opened up. There are no overcurrent
    |>| parts inside, and the toggle is just a plain switch.
    |>
    |> How many people ever test the overcurrent aspect, anyway? I'm guessing one
    |> of these must have failed somewhere somehow to have gotten noticed.
    |
    | AFAIK, they were discovered by manufacturers investigating how
    | their products were turning up on the market too cheaply and
    | undercutting the official distributors.

    Ah, that would do it, too.
     
  17. James Sweet

    James Sweet Guest


    My heat pump has a switch in circuit breaker format in the disconnect
    box on the side of the house. A breaker isn't necessary out there, as
    the branch is protected in the main panel and nothing else is on it.
     
  18. Roy

    Roy Guest

    From:
    In alt.engineering.electrical Andrew Gabriel
    |       writes:
      In alt.engineering.electrical Andrew Gabriel
    UK about counterfeits being found | in other parts of Europe (but not as
    yet in the UK, AFAIK). A picture | in a trade magazine shows one of them
    opened up. There are no overcurrent | parts inside, and the toggle is
    just a plain switch.
    How many people ever test the overcurrent aspect, anyway? I'm guessing
    one of these must have failed somewhere somehow to have gotten noticed.

    | AFAIK, they were discovered by manufacturers investigating how | their
    products were turning up on the market too cheaply and | undercutting
    the official distributors.

    Ah, that would do it, too.
    --
    |WARNING: Due to extreme spam,
    snip<
    -------------------

    I read that other post where it exploded
    ~ Ouch ~ It would seem Top Name Brand Manufacturers don't (shouldn't)
    farm out too much work for a reason.......then again....who knows maybe
    I've installed a few without knowing it was a knock off., They all seem
    so funny looking at times, though I try to by always from reputable
    supply houses and such };(

    They should've branded & licensed them "Electriv" ®™ and sold them
    as thus };) I'll be expecting royalties from this one }:)

    Roy Q.T. ~ US/NCU ~ E.E. Technician
    [have tools, will travel]
     
  19. Guest

    | From:
    | In alt.engineering.electrical Andrew Gabriel
    | <>,
    | | ? ? ? writes:
    | ??In alt.engineering.electrical Andrew Gabriel
    | UK about counterfeits being found | in other parts of Europe (but not as
    | yet in the UK, AFAIK). A picture | in a trade magazine shows one of them
    | opened up. There are no overcurrent | parts inside, and the toggle is
    | just a plain switch.
    | How many people ever test the overcurrent aspect, anyway? I'm guessing
    | one of these must have failed somewhere somehow to have gotten noticed.
    |
    | | AFAIK, they were discovered by manufacturers investigating how | their
    | products were turning up on the market too cheaply and | undercutting
    | the official distributors.
    |
    | Ah, that would do it, too.
    | --
    | |WARNING: Due to extreme spam,
    | snip<
    | -------------------
    |
    | I read that other post where it exploded
    | ~ Ouch ~ It would seem Top Name Brand Manufacturers don't (shouldn't)
    | farm out too much work for a reason.......then again....who knows maybe
    | I've installed a few without knowing it was a knock off., They all seem
    | so funny looking at times, though I try to by always from reputable
    | supply houses and such };(
    |
    | They should've branded & licensed them "Electriv" ?? and sold them
    | as thus };) I'll be expecting royalties from this one }:)
    |
    | Roy Q.T. ~ US/NCU ~ E.E. Technician
    | [have tools, will travel]

    Could you separate what you are quoting and what you are saying in some way
    so I can tell what is what when I try to read it?
     
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