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Windjammer

Jan 1, 1970
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On eBay, there are at least two types of touch-screen monitors being sold -
7" and 8" size both with VGA input as well as A/V.

Has anyone tried using these as displays for marine navigation?

In particular, wondering about the resolution and how the touch-screen could
be used with popular nav software like Fugawi?
 
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Jack Erbes

Jan 1, 1970
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Windjammer said:
On eBay, there are at least two types of touch-screen monitors being sold -
7" and 8" size both with VGA input as well as A/V.

Has anyone tried using these as displays for marine navigation?

In particular, wondering about the resolution and how the touch-screen could
be used with popular nav software like Fugawi?

The ones I saw did resolutions of 640 x 480 (4:3 for computer display)
and 1600 x 1200 (16:9 for movies) and were rated for brightness at 400
nits.

In use, 640 x 480 is a pretty small desktop for a computer but adequate
for displaying one application (like fugawi, for example).

If you want to use them out in daylight or in bright sun, the "nits"
value is an important number. A LCD display of 400 nits (like the ones
on eBay) is considered daylight viewable but you probably won't find it
useful in direct sunlight. You may be able to use it if you shade the
display or are under cover with sunlight not striking the screen.

A good quality marine display would be rated at 1600 nits for brightness
and is basically 4 times as bright as the 400 nits one and easy to read
in direct sunlight. But those extra 1200 nits don't come cheap. Build
it into a NMEA4 "sealed from salt spray mist" enclosure and the price
goes up again. The touchscreen is usually optional and the price goes
up again. And in some cases the touch screen layer renders some of the
nits less effective and the reduces the viewing angles.

It looks to me like good and cheap are mutually exclusive on displays
suitable for daylight use in marine settings.

More on the resolution. If you set your desktop display to 640 x 480
and run Fugawi, you can see the amount of info that would be displayed
on the smaller monitor at that resolution. It will be physically
smaller on the small monitor but the same amount data is seen. To most
people 640 x 480 looks better on a small monitor than it does on a large
monitor.

If you cut a 7" diagonal 4:3 hole in a piece of cardboard, held that at
the distance you intend to mount the monitor, then backed off until
your computer display is visible through the hole, you can get a feel
for what you will see with the monitor mounted. This is an
approximation, you have to sort of mentally visualize that the display
is at the same distance as the cardboard.

On the touch screen software, your finger tip on the screen should cause
the same things to happen as does your mouse cursor. If a cursor-over
pops up a menu then a touch should do that. Taps and double taps will
do things like click and double clicks. It should work much like a
typical kiosk or the touch pads found on many laptops. But you are at
the mercy of the intentions of the programmers and the amount of
flexibility programmed in.

Jack
 
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JGS

Jan 1, 1970
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Snipped

Just wanted to tell you thanks, I have an interest in this subject too. Very
informative post.

Thanks again!




Regards
JGS
 
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Windjammer

Jan 1, 1970
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Thanks Jack - Very useful.

Now need to find someone who has actually bought one of these and can advise
how well they work.

Does eem like a good plan, for use in car or boat - leave computer in safe
location and display the moving chart/Map where it can be seen. Sounds like
a hood of some type might be needed if it was installed at the pedestal, say
on a sailboat.



A lot of good stuff!
 
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Doug Dotson

Jan 1, 1970
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Care to give us a link to these listings?
 
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Johnhh

Jan 1, 1970
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I have an 8" 800X600 one that I run on a mini-itx (1ghz) machine. I am
going to use it primarily for music and as a backup for navigation. I have
run NobelTech on it just to see how it would work. Yes it is small, but
the screen size and resolution tells you that. The monitor works fine, has
a nice clear picture. I haven't really tested it for brightness in bright
conditions because I only intend to use it below decks, but the brightness
seems as expected with 400 nits. I do understand that some loss should be
expected due to the touch screen option.

The touch screen works great, I have big fingers and the buttons on
navigation software tend to be small and plentiful so can be a little hard
to pickout what you want. The provided wand works good for this, but I
expect it would be a little hard to use on a rolling boat in any kind of
rough conditions.

In summary, for my purposes, I am quite happy with it.

Hope this helps
John
 
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Doug Dotson

Jan 1, 1970
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Brand? Price? Sounds nice? Waterproof? Voltage? Current?
Got a link to a source?

Doug
 
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Frank Klose

Jan 1, 1970
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How does a map look like on 800X600 for instance? The Lilliput has ca.
900.000 pixels the other 8" monitor has 1.440 millon and is far mor
expensive. I have seen C-Map on the 1.44 million pixel monitor and it looked
good at 800X600. Lilliput claims a resolution of 1024X768 with 921600
pixels. This is really only 640X480 X3 colors = 921600. All the higher
resolutions are interpolated pixels and usually generate a bad picture ( not
sharp).
Some of the cheaper ones for DVD are having even less pixels. On board I use
an old Toshiba with 800X600 and C-Map and I would like a better resolution.
So what resolution is used on the Lilliput? I would like to buy an 8" but
because of above I´m no more sure anymore what to do.

Frank
 
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Windjammer

Jan 1, 1970
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Frank Klose said:
I would like to buy an 8" but
because of above I´m no more sure anymore what to do.

Frank

Frank - I have an iPaq/CF GPS for use in the cockpit, but screen is really
too small. What I am looking for, is an economical way of displaying my
laptop output, even if I can't actually manipulate it - just watch the
moving map with the boats' position when in tricky areas.

One that came up in a search, was this:

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1122782&CatId=1574

Anyone have any thoughts about this - Is it just a big PDA or is it just a
remotre monitor - I have not yet digested just waht this unit does and how
it could apply to boat/car navigation. Price seems good.
 
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Frank Klose

Jan 1, 1970
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This one really looks good. It uses the video and manipulates the keyboard
and mouse via the USB input. It acts like a remote desktop. You can have the
same function under windows xp or 2000 if you set up a wireless network and
enable remote desktop, but the view sonic terminal does it much simpler. I
Like it.

The description on your link doesn't specify the charging voltage. Too bad
that Xmas is so soon. My son lives in the states and if I would have seen
this terminal I would have bought it especially with the current exchange
rate to the Euro. He will come over in a couple of days.

Regards

Frank
 
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Johnhh

Jan 1, 1970
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Its native resolution is 800X600 and that's what I'm running it it at. If
the pixels are interpolated, you could never prove it by me. If you want
higher than 800X600 this is not the monitor for you.

A chart on it looks just like I would expect it to at 800X600. I'm not sure
how else to answer the question.

I find it to be perfect for *my* needs, If I had lots of bucks, needed it
to be outdoor viewable or was depending on it for primary navigation on
extended voyages, then I would look elsewhere.
 
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Johnhh

Jan 1, 1970
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That one really looks interesting. I remember looking at similar ones in
the past, but never at that price. I had your same questions. Keep me
posted if you learn anything more about them.

John
 
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Ansley Sawyer

Jan 1, 1970
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This looks like what I have been thinking about also.

I have been using a laptop on the nav station below with the Cap'n First
Mate and have been thinking of putting a monitor under the dodger to be able
to see the GPS positioning data and the charts on deck.

Any idea if these can be run on 11.5 - 14.5 volts DC and how much current
they draw?

Ansley Sawyer
SV Pacem
 
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Jack Erbes

Jan 1, 1970
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Windjammer said:
One that came up in a search, was this:

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1122782&CatId=1574

Anyone have any thoughts about this - Is it just a big PDA or is it just a
remotre monitor - I have not yet digested just waht this unit does and how
it could apply to boat/car navigation. Price seems good.

That one (and its larger, newer big brother, the V210) are wireless
networked tablet PCs. Some details on the V210 here:

http://www.viewsonic.com/pdf/us_eng/products/airsyncV210.pdf

They have processors and a Windows operating systems (Windows® CE .NET
4.2) so they are more than a monitor. The CE .NET OS is sort of new and
quite different than Pocket PC but I'm not conversant on it at all. A
lot of chatter about "embedded devices", mobility, and stuff like that.
More specs here:

http://www.viewsonic.com/pdf/us_eng/products/compchart_viewpad.pdf

I don't see a brightness in nits so it is hard to say how the "High
luminance XGA 12.1" TFT LCD display with auto brightness adjustment"
will work in daylight and compare it to the high end (1200 nits or more)
marine displays.

But might be worth looking at in lieu of a remote display. The price of
it is up in the range of some of the good marine displays. The trade
off would be lack of weatherproofing and probably less visibility in
direct sunight. The street prices are around $1,200-$1,300 on the V210.

Jack
 
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Rob

Jan 1, 1970
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Doug Dotson said:
Care to give us a link to these listings?

I used a 15" LCD monitor from Solarism, www.solarism.com, on my flybridge
for a 49 day cruise of Eastern Ontario Triangle this summer. It has 800
nits of brightness and I had to turn down the brightness most days even
with direct sunlight on it. It is a great monitor.

73 Rob

[email protected]
 
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