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Evil Designers Guide to Copying Patents

Discussion in 'Electronic Design' started by D from BC, Mar 21, 2007.

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  1. Not if you do it right. You need to set up a series of corporations in the
    Caymans. Each becomes an officer of the corporation and hires real people as
    employees to do the will of the corporations. The Cayman corporations then
    go through a chain involving Switzerland, Lichtenstein and Austria.

    Good luck cracking that one.

    That's what surprises me about the Enron like companies - that these
    'geniuses' don't have a clue about how to really commit fraud.
     
  2. MassiveProng

    MassiveProng Guest


    That was as brainless as your original post which started this
    thread. Good job, dumbfuck.
     
  3. MassiveProng

    MassiveProng Guest


    You're a goddamned retard as well.

    It's a question of honor, not whether the person some criminal twit
    has decided to rip off has "deep pockets" you retarded fuckhead.
     
  4. It happens.

    Another place that patents are vulnerable is covering processes or
    algorithms. If the delivered article doesn't actually contain the code
    (object or source), how would an examination reveal an infringement?

    A hypothetical example: If someone were to duplicate Google's search
    algorithms, but move their servers to a jurisdiction which doesn't honor
    US subpoenas, how could Google ever establish that the competitor had
    infringed rather than come up with a unique algorithm of their own? The
    delivered product contains no direct evidence of the process used to
    generate it.
     
  5. D from BC

    D from BC Guest

    My post is more like an exploration into "how's somebody ripping my
    patent?".

    Sometimes I think some people feel to much security with patenting..
    And some people are too paranoid of patent infringement..

    D from BC
     
  6. John  Larkin

    John Larkin Guest

    The law doesn't fall for tricks like that. All you're doing is adding
    criminal conspiracy to what was a civil matter.

    John
     
  7. MassiveProng

    MassiveProng Guest

  8. It's only fraud if a judge says its fraud.

    --
    Dirk

    http://www.onetribe.me.uk - The UK's only occult talk show
    Presented by Dirk Bruere and Marc Power on ResonanceFM 104.4
    http://www.resonancefm.com
     
  9. Maybe use a reverse compiler, then recompile.
    Different burned code, no problem.

    --
    Dirk

    http://www.onetribe.me.uk - The UK's only occult talk show
    Presented by Dirk Bruere and Marc Power on ResonanceFM 104.4
    http://www.resonancefm.com
     
  10. Guest

    An old friend of mine used to work as an engineer in the IP protection
    department (or something like it, staffed mostly with lawyers) for a
    big name company in Singapore. I don't remember which company it was,
    probably Texas Instruments or Intel. Anyway, from what he told me, his
    job is to reverse engineer competitor's products to find out if they
    violated any of his employer's IP.

    There are a number of reverse engineering firms in Taiwan who'll do a
    3D scan of a product for you by slowly shaving the product and taking
    a picture of the cross section. This is how people reverse engineer
    electronic bits in epoxied packages. The company my friend worked for
    was big enough that they did this in-house. But even smaller companies
    can do this by outsourcing to Taiwan.

    Reverse engineering is almost never done by looking at schematics. For
    one thing, the most important part is usually a black box in the form
    of an ASIC. Reverse engineering is hard work. But like I mentioned
    above, there are companies out there that does it for a living. If you
    suspect that your competitor is stealing your IP you can simply send
    that product to Taiwan to have it broken down and analysed.
     
  11. Guest

    That is true, if you're going to be an asshat then stealing IP is
    nowhere near as profitable as patent trolling.
     
  12. My very limited (no pun intended) understanding of corporate limited
    liability is that the veil is pierced if they can show that the intent
    of setting it up was to defraud or primarily for some other illegal
    purpose. But if your activities merely include some illegal activity
    but it cannot be shown that was why you chose to incorporate, it isn't
    pierced.

    Ah. I should have looked. Here's a wiki page on it:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piercing_the_corporate_veil

    Jon
     
  13. D from BC

    D from BC Guest

    Wow...this is shocking news to me..I didn't imagine..
    It's like cool documentary material..
    I really would like to see a Taiwan reverse engineering lab..
    What a job...
    There's gotta be some sort of slang for a such a Rev Eng Taiwan house.
    Hack and Crack Shack?
    Chop Shop? <Same as for cars

    So if RevEng's are slicing through epoxy...
    Maybe their exists another anti-copy encapsulent..
    (Or a anti-"I don't want you to know I ripped a patent" encapsulent)
    How about an acid blister? Burns the electronics if it's broken?
    D from BC
     
  14. D from BC

    D from BC Guest

    Patent trolling...Is that someone who patents anything possible?
    As posted some time ago... The playground swing was patented...(Or
    something very much like it.)
    Also a while ago I made fun of the patent on using a laser pointer to
    exercise a cat.
    D from BC
     
  15. Guest

    The law first have to *prove in court* that you set up the business explicitly
    to defraud!

    A completely different proposisiton than tax evasion, where you have to prove
    innocense.
     
  16. MassiveProng

    MassiveProng Guest


    Top posting Usenet retard.
     
  17. Jim Thompson

    Jim Thompson Guest

    On 21 Mar 2007 22:14:36 -0700, ""

    [snip]
    There are several companies in the US and Canada that will produce a
    schematic from an ASIC.

    ...Jim Thompson
     
  18. krw

    krw Guest

    I've seen some neat IP used to hide/disguise elements in circuits to
    slow down reverse engineering.
     
  19. krw

    krw Guest

    Jury. You point? It's pretty much the same with any other criminal
    activity.
     
  20. John  Larkin

    John Larkin Guest

    OK, so you hire agents, probably lawyers, in 5 countries. Get visas
    and plane tickets to the outside four. Fly a lot, sign a lot of stuff,
    pay a bunch of fees, and pay ongoing retainers and corporate license
    fees and accounting fees in 5 places. Manufacture and sell the stuff
    in violation of some patent, shuffle the money around, losing a
    commission at every step. Hope the Feds, especially Homeland Security,
    don't notice the transactions (maybe smuggle the money around in
    sailboats? Now you need a fleet of sailboats, with honest crews.) Hope
    that none of your foreign "partners" decide to squeeze you. All so you
    can copy something instead of designing it yourself.

    Sounds great.

    John
     
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