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Evil Designers Guide to Copying Patents

Discussion in 'Electronic Design' started by D from BC, Mar 21, 2007.

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  1. D from BC

    D from BC Guest

    I'm going to tick off some patent owners. :p

    1) Patent owners are not god and see everything everywhere.
    Play the odds...There's a good chance of never being discovered.
    2) Some copied tech can be epoxy encapsulated. Is a patent owner
    going to spend days picking away at epoxy to see if it's a copy?
    Maybe filing off chip numbers will help.
    3) Deny copying the patent.. I didn't make that! :)
    Be a non-existent, unregistered, unlicensed company.
    4) Find out if the patent owner is poor.. Most likely the person is
    too broke for a patent legal battle.
    5) Avoid mass production of the copied patent.
    6) Have the copied patent made overseas. Have it disguised as another
    product when it's imported.
    7) Maybe improve or degrade the patent so that's it's different.
    8) Don't release schematics. Maybe have fake schematics too.
    9) If you're not making much money on the copied patent.. You think
    you'll get sued over a few hundred dollars of profit?
    10) Go ahead copy away..When discovered, perhaps make a deal with the
    patent owner for licensing and paying back royalties.. There might be
    enough profit to go around.
    If the patent owner is greedy, then layoff everybody, liquidate the
    company and start all over again by copying somebody else's patent.
    11) Have you heard of any stories of people going to jail for patent
    infringement?
    12) Get ready to mass produce the patent just before the patent
    expires.
    D from BC
     
  2. Rich Grise

    Rich Grise Guest

    You probably aren't old enough to remember the Polaroid Swinger case.

    The Polaroid Land camera was the first camera that gave you a print
    in 60 seconds. Big companies were all tooled up to jump on the tech
    the day the patent expired, so they could get a piece of the 60-second
    photo action.

    The day before the patent expired, Polaroid released the "Swinger",
    (named for its wrist strap), which used a whole new film technology
    that they'd spent the previous 16 years and 364 days developing, and
    avoided a whole bunch of hassles that the previous one had. Nobody
    bought the old-tech units from any of the competitors, because the
    old Land camera technology became obsolete virtually overnight.

    Cheers!
    Rich
     
  3. John Perry

    John Perry Guest

    Well, I see that as a rare case where the patent system worked right.
    Polaroid spent part of their profits as research dollars making real
    improvements, while the rest sat on their asses waiting for their copies
    to become legal.

    If the patent system were used as it should be, DfBC's list would be a
    sure recipe for corporate failure.

    John Perry
     
  4. krw

    krw Guest

    There is also a good chance of losing your company. Play this game
    at your own risk.
    If you're important enough of a competitor no number of files will
    help.
    Good marketing plan.
    As he sells out to GM...
    Read: avoid making money.
    Smuggling is a felony.
    Improvements may still violate the underlying patent.
    Useless. No one who is really interested, other than perhaps your
    customer for repair, is going to look at the schematic anyhow.
    You can get sued for far more than your profit.
    ....if you think a corporate shield will protect you.
    Haven't heard of it, but Fraud and smuggling are in a different
    kettle.
    Nothing illegal or immoral here. Twenty years is a long time to wait
    to go to market though.
     
  5. Guest

    Just Keep It Simple and Stupid:

    Set up two businesses. A holding company and a subsidiary. The subsidiary rips
    the patent, manufactures and sell the goods produced. But that is not all it
    does.

    It also pays high interest on the junk bonds it issued to the holding company
    and "private investors" financing the startup - probably close to what the
    accountant knows will piss off the tax authorities for certain. It never really
    makes any profit.

    When the lawsuit comes, the subsidiary cannot pay and goes tits-up. With luck
    the executers will burn whatever assets remain, nobody gets anything for their
    trouble and an example has been made.
     
  6. krw

    krw Guest

    <snip>

    As long as you're going to be engaging in fraud, why bother with
    patents? Wouldn't, say, banking be easier?
     
  7. Brian

    Brian Guest

    We should rename this guy Stretch. He has to
    stttrrreeettttccccchhhhhhhhh his arguments to unbelieveable
    proportions to try to look knowledgeable. If anyone disagrees with
    him, they must all be friends plotting to make him look bad. A
    conspiracy to topple some unknown, untalented know-nothing zero.

    And ALWAYS has to have the last post over ANYONE, no matter how dumb
    he continues to look.

    Are we impressed? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahha!
     
  8. D from BC

    D from BC Guest

    An example that an expired patent maybe just that...expired ..totally.
    Just a stepping stone to new tech.
    Interesting story :)
    D from BC
     
  9. D from BC

    D from BC Guest

    DofBC:It could be a case of risk vs no company at all..
    DofBC: Is there such a thing as a search warrant to check for copied
    tech?
    DofBC: If a customer requests a few (underground) units and there
    's thousands of dollars of profit. It might be tempting. There would
    be no marketing.
    DofBC: My point is that one can get away with making a few copies..
    Not flood Walmart.
    DofBC: What smuggling?? :)....It's an voice activated toy robot...it
    just so happens the circuit board can be "recycled" as a home speech
    activated lamp controller. :)
    DofBC: True...but serves to reduce risk..
    DofBC: Schematics just make it easier to check for patent
    infringement.
    DofBC: How is this just? Is it something goofy like charging 1.4
    million in patent emotional damage ??
    DofBC: I'll get that confirmed someday..
    D from BC
     
  10. MassiveProng

    MassiveProng Guest

    Act retarded?

    Too late. You failed the test.

    You are a characterless, honorless, valueless bastard.
     
  11. MassiveProng

    MassiveProng Guest


    You're both fucking retarded.
     
  12. Do it in software. Contract the code work out to an offshore s/w house.
    Don't release the source. If the potential patent/copyright owner
    suspects something, you are protected against their reverse engineering
    it by the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (particularly if you have
    incorporated minimal DRM into the product).
     
  13. D from BC

    D from BC Guest

    lol :)
    One a scale of 1 to 10, 10 being highest, what would you score the
    entertainment value of this post?

    D from BC
     
  14. D from BC

    D from BC Guest

    I like Massiveprong...
    He's a good reminder of the anonymity on usenet.
    An example of freedom of speech.
    Don't you wish you could just freely insult people face to face
    everyday? :)
    Imagine Massiveprong was gone..think how boring SED would be?
    I'd say he's one of the few people on here that uses insults to bring
    some control to the BS on SED. Somebody that cares.
    Be right or be called a retard!!
    Massiveprong is especially good for people who need to be wacked with
    a stick to smarten up.

    No matter how tall a building is...a dog can still piss on it.
    D from BC
     
  15. MassiveProng

    MassiveProng Guest


    A perfect description of your presence in the groups.
     
  16. D from BC

    D from BC Guest

    I wonder how often that happens..

    Found more info on:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DMCA
    D from BC
     
  17. Jim Thompson

    Jim Thompson Guest

    [snip]
    [snip]

    That's even better than my "Some days you eat da bear, and some days
    da bear eats you" plaque ;-)

    ...Jim Thompson
     
  18. MassiveProng

    MassiveProng Guest


    Like I said, they're both fucking retarded.
     
  19. D from BC

    D from BC Guest

    Is there a sci.massive.prong.design group?
    D from BC
     
  20. Ecnerwal

    Ecnerwal Guest

    I'm fascinated to see that most respondents view D's list as "a great
    new work of how to rip off patent owners" (criminals, take notes and get
    to work), rather than as "an observed list of actual business practices,
    laid out as though it were a new thing" (whoops, the criminals are
    already at work) - and it doesn't even cover the criminals who "patent"
    things that have been published (or common knowledge) for decades, and
    the examiners are either overworked, don't know jack shit about the
    prior art, or figure everybody has deep pockets to take the "patent
    holders" to court when they issue a bad patent.
     
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