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  1. James B

    James B Guest

    does anyone have a manual on this panel?

    James
     
  2. Rip it out and put something decent in its place




    There are several different manuals depending
     
  3. James B

    James B Guest

    Thanks for all your help.... I found one. The panel is not that
    tough even for my fat fingers.
     
  4. Crash Gordon

    Crash Gordon Guest

    sheet, i worked on a commercial building several years ago where the
    electricians installed an EST (and were supposedly trained) and they didn't
    have a freekin clue what they were doing.

    --
    **Crash Gordon**






    |> does anyone have a manual on this panel?
    |
    | Yes. Most of the guys that went to school for a week or so to learn EST
    | programming. EST panels are probably the last type of FACP that one would
    | want to fat finger. Find someone that really knows EST and let them do any
    | necessary programming.
    | https://www.est.net/Training/restricted/QuickStart_Flash/QSOperCutSht.pdf
    | If you haven't been trained on it, don't screw with it. I bet even the
    king
    | of DIY (Bass) would agree on that.
    |
    | | > does anyone have a manual on this panel?
    | >
    | > James
    |
    |
     
  5. Frank Olson

    Frank Olson Guest


    That's because they took the Bass Home Study Course (c/w a complimentary
    two hour telephone seminar and a copy of the Sentrol Application
    Handbook). The informative CD was $29.99 (reduced) if you purchased the
    product from his online store.
     
  6. Crash Gordon

    Crash Gordon Guest

    and a set of Ginsu knives?

    --
    **Crash Gordon**






    | Crash Gordon wrote:
    | > sheet, i worked on a commercial building several years ago where the
    | > electricians installed an EST (and were supposedly trained) and they
    didn't
    | > have a freekin clue what they were doing.
    | >
    |
    |
    | That's because they took the Bass Home Study Course (c/w a complimentary
    | two hour telephone seminar and a copy of the Sentrol Application
    | Handbook). The informative CD was $29.99 (reduced) if you purchased the
    | product from his online store.
     
  7. Frank Olson

    Frank Olson Guest


    Wrong website. That's Rojas. Send him five panels to unlock and he'll
    send them back with a complimentary pair of Ginsu wire strippers and the
    dry-wall saw.
     
  8. Frank Olson

    Frank Olson Guest


    Roland's one of those individuals that believe that "factory training"
    is the only way to go.
     
  9. Frank Olson

    Frank Olson Guest


    I know what you mean. I'll put 'em in and terminate 'em, but I'll leave
    the programming to the local GE guys. The only exception to that rule
    (in the EST line) is FireShield (which anyone can field program quite
    easily). Mircom has a new line of panels that look exactly like
    FireShield. Cheaper too. We have a few of both in the field so I'll be
    able to relate any problems we encounter as time goes on. The one
    drawback with the GE lines have already been mentioned. Replacement
    parts *are* expensive.
     
  10. Frank Olson

    Frank Olson Guest


    Not really... It's a means to an end. On the one hand it increases the
    level of protection to the end user... on the other... it locks in the
    customer. What really sucks is that the customer usually doesn't have a
    say in the final decision. "Low man" wins on most tendered projects.
    There are a few exceptions, but they are *few*. I know the Canadian
    Government used to positively *love* Secutron stuff. And BC Housing
    seems to have this "thing" for Siemens/Pyrotronics (on new construction
    and upgrades).
     
  11. Crash Gordon

    Crash Gordon Guest

    We just ripped one out today anyone want to buy it?
    Three years old.



    --
    **Crash Gordon**






    | does anyone have a manual on this panel?
    |
    | James
     
  12. minifrank

    minifrank Guest

    whats wrong with it?
     
  13. Frank Olson

    Frank Olson Guest


    It's worse than that in Canada. GE technicians are the only ones that
    can program the panels. Some AHJ's insist that they're also the only
    ones that can verify them as well, however others take ULC/CAN-537
    (Verification Standard) a whole lot more literally and you have to have
    an *independent* do that part. I know GE screams "blue murder" when
    that happens, but just think about it... If they're *programming* the
    system, and then verifying it, it sort of defeats the purpose of the
    standard which states you *can't* verify your own work. Ah well... fun
    and games. :)
     
  14. Crash Gordon

    Crash Gordon Guest

    Aside from what others mentioned...we're not sure - displays a ground fault
    trouble all the time, no matter what we do. But, it's pretty clean and has 4
    expansion boards. The building was remodeled 3 years ago by what we can tell
    from the fire inspection tag and that's all I remember right now. It was a
    fairly clean install and system was working ok except for the ground fault
    and it was "time" for a complete remodel of the system anyway.



    --
    **Crash Gordon**






    | Crash Gordon wrote:
    | > We just ripped one out today anyone want to buy it?
    | > Three years old.
    | >
    | >
    | >
    | whats wrong with it?
     
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