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Dave VanHorn

Jan 1, 1970
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A young friend looked out on the November evening and commented 'Il fait
du grenouille.' This was a brave attempt at 'Il fait du brouillard' -
'It is foggy'. What he actually said is (roughly) 'It is froggy.'

Vaya con Huevos!
 
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Dave VanHorn

Jan 1, 1970
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But we leave out forgiveness and repentance here. Someone who has no
faith, does not repent and does not ask for forgiveness (for example for
always refusing to help) will not be saved. I believe that is what Matt
25:46 is meant for. But again, I am no expert here and that is a question
I'll bring up at bible class.

This was always the major conceptual problem I had with the whole thing.
You could be the world's worst bastard for 90 years, repent on the last day,
and "go to heaven", or be a saint through most of your life, make one
mistake, and "eternal damnation".

This, among other things, is why I opted out years ago.
 
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Roy McCammon

Jan 1, 1970
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John said:
as a religious apologist, whereas that's the last thing I am.

I've always been rather unsure as to the last thing
I am or was. I guess its pretty much the same as the
next thing I am or will be. And just when does the
last thing I am end and the thing I am now begin?
 
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John Woodgate

Jan 1, 1970
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I read in sci.electronics.design that Kevin Aylward
Christianity is a meme complex run amok. Its that
simple.

If you think that's simple, I wonder what you think is complicated.
Modern British art?
 
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Clarence

Jan 1, 1970
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John Woodgate said:
Is there a god, to have a mouth?

I just don't understand where you are coming from. You seem to treat me
as a religious apologist, whereas that's the last thing I am.

You come across as one who WANTS to believe. Get beyond that any perhaps you
can trust your own conclusions.
I seek truth and I am prepared to find it anywhere. But I
will not accept anything as The Absolute Truth.

Truth is relative. What is true for you may be false to someone else. What is
truth?

I only "Believe" what I can verify with science. I merely acknowledge that
which sounds Good, and I revile that which sounds Evil! (Democrat = Evil)


I also enjoy a good Fox Hunt!
 
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Joerg

Jan 1, 1970
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Hi Dave,
This was always the major conceptual problem I had with the whole thing.
You could be the world's worst bastard for 90 years, repent on the last day,
and "go to heaven", or be a saint through most of your life, make one
mistake, and "eternal damnation".
Indeed. One mistake doesn't condemn you at all. It is the loss of faith
and refusal to repent that does.

Thing is, the person which does good typically lives a happy and
fulfilled life. The person that continually betrays or defrauds others
usually doesn't. When you look at the statistics of one of those luxury
detox centers that tells a story. A pretty sad one.
This, among other things, is why I opted out years ago.
That is very sad. But I always hope this will change again some day.

Regards, Joerg
 
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John Fields

Jan 1, 1970
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I only "Believe" what I can verify with science. I merely acknowledge that
which sounds Good, and I revile that which sounds Evil! (Democrat = Evil)
 
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John Woodgate

Jan 1, 1970
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You come across as one who WANTS to believe.

I wonder if anyone else here thinks that. Believe in what? I do like to
think that we don't even know what we don't know (who said that?) about
physics, let alone the workings of the human brain.
Get beyond that any
perhaps you can trust your own conclusions.

I treat them as hypotheses; OK all the while they work. One mistake and
they are out; no second chance.
Truth is relative. What is true for you may be false to someone else.

Not the sort of truth I mean.
What is truth?

That's been done. You are about 1970 years too late.
I only "Believe" what I can verify with science. I merely acknowledge
that which sounds Good, and I revile that which sounds Evil! (Democrat
= Evil)

You can prove with science that Democrat = Evil. WOWIE! Does GWB know
that?
I also enjoy a good Fox Hunt!

I notice that some of the hunt supporters are whimpering about 'police
brutality'. They should try 'hound brutality'. They should try *being
hunted*. I have been hunted, by a group of teenage lads not known for
their compassion and Sunday School attendance, and I can tell you that
it is no fun at all, even though they wouldn't have actually killed me
(intentionally).
 
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Kevin Aylward

Jan 1, 1970
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Joerg said:
Hi John,

There are things we have to see in perspective. For example, there
are a lot of example parables etc. It is certainly not right to pluck
out an eye for an eye. This is not meant in a literal sense.

To answer your question, yes, I believe what the bible says.

Oh dear...
I do need
the help

You ceratinly do.
of pastors and others to understand it though, as most
everybody else does. There are still a whole lot of things I simply
don't understand which is one reason why I go to bible classes.

That's the last place to go to understand the Babble. You need to escape
the memes sphere of influence to look at it objectively.
I just
hope I have enough years in life to figure it out.

Why? Its gibberish. A made up fantasy. There is nothing to figure out.


Kevin Aylward
[email protected]
http://www.anasoft.co.uk
SuperSpice, a very affordable Mixed-Mode
Windows Simulator with Schematic Capture,
Waveform Display, FFT's and Filter Design.
 
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Kevin Aylward

Jan 1, 1970
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John said:
I read in sci.electronics.design that Kevin Aylward


If you think that's simple, I wonder what you think is complicated.
Modern British art?

I don't think religion itself is simple in the sense of how involved the
details are. What's simple is that, it is trivially obvious that it is a
made up fantasy.

Kevin Aylward
[email protected]
http://www.anasoft.co.uk
SuperSpice, a very affordable Mixed-Mode
Windows Simulator with Schematic Capture,
Waveform Display, FFT's and Filter Design.
 
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Clarence

Jan 1, 1970
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Damn Right, and Not all that Puny!
But your only jealous because you can't make sense of any of the stuff you have
been chewing on all this time.

Also it is obvious that your perspective doesn't allow for levels of awareness.
Like acknowledgment, and recognition of unbelievable things. As in Religion,
politics, and comedy?

'Cause you guys are really FUNNY!
 
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Kevin Aylward

Jan 1, 1970
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Joerg said:
Hi Dave,

Indeed. One mistake doesn't condemn you at all. It is the loss of
faith and refusal to repent that does.

And you don't see this as being like, a bit suspicious? Like, all
theories are immunised if you stipulate one must have faith to accept
them. Don't you see how the meme has been engineered (by evolution) to
immunise itself against any and all reasonable and rational attacts.
This should tell you something is up.

Smell the roses dude.
Thing is, the person which does good typically lives a happy and
fulfilled life. The person that continually betrays or defrauds others
usually doesn't.

Maybe. This has nothing to do with religion though.



Kevin Aylward
[email protected]
http://www.anasoft.co.uk
SuperSpice, a very affordable Mixed-Mode
Windows Simulator with Schematic Capture,
Waveform Display, FFT's and Filter Design.
 
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Clarence

Jan 1, 1970
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John Wood said:
I wonder if anyone else here thinks that. Believe in what? I do like to
think that we don't even know what we don't know (who said that?) about
physics, let alone the workings of the human brain.

I treat them as hypotheses; OK all the while they work. One mistake and
they are out; no second chance.

Not the sort of truth I mean.

See, it IS relative.
That's been done. You are about 1970 years too late.

No, it is a question ask by mankind for about 20,000 years.

Or were you referring to the death (in Iberia) of the one titled Jesus Christ?
(Literally "Anointed servant of God") Do you know what he died of? The cause
was unstated, and no burial place was given. Possibly near Granada?
You can prove with science that Democrat = Evil. WOWIE! Does GWB know
that?
I go by how many lies they tell and unwarranted attacks they make.
I'll write and let him know. In my next letter. But I think he suspects.
I notice that some of the hunt supporters are whimpering about 'police
brutality'. They should try 'hound brutality'. They should try *being
hunted*. I have been hunted, by a group of teenage lads not known for
their compassion and Sunday School attendance, and I can tell you that
it is no fun at all, even though they wouldn't have actually killed me
(intentionally).

Don't know about the police in Britain. Only over there once on business.
Didn't get into any towns. Ship board you know.

I understand I was hunted once. He told the police it was a Joke, he was
only trying to frighten me. Bad plan! I only knew someone was following me,
when I left an Event I attended till about 2:00AM! He circled and jumped out
at me (to startle me, he said.) and I broke his collar bone and five bones in
his face. Then called the Police and an ambulance, you know how those face
wounds bleed. He was just lucky I wasn't armed, or that there wasn't more light
to improve my aim. Get this, I had only seen the guy once that night, and
didn't know who he was. The court put him on Probation since it was a first
offence. The police warned me about carrying a roll of quarters. (Change for
the machines.) (The Kids parents were really mad, but the Judge was pretty
scary too, they moved out of state.)
 
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John Woodgate

Jan 1, 1970
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I read in sci.electronics.design that Kevin Aylward
Smell the roses dude.

I occasionally wish I knew what you meant by that, but I don't wish very
hard. (;-)
 
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John Woodgate

Jan 1, 1970
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I read in sci.electronics.design that Kevin Aylward
I don't think religion itself is simple in the sense of how involved the
details are. What's simple is that, it is trivially obvious that it is a
made up fantasy.

Just like modern British art, then. (;-)
 
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John Fields

Jan 1, 1970
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Damn Right, and Not all that Puny!

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So far, you're a 97 pound weakling.
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But your only jealous because you can't make sense of any of the stuff you have
been chewing on all this time.

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"You're", cretin.
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Also it is obvious that your perspective doesn't allow for levels of awareness.
Like acknowledgment, and recognition of unbelievable things. As in Religion,
politics, and comedy?

'Cause you guys are really FUNNY!
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Ahhh... I see. You're an artful dodger.

You make a claim, then when it's challenged and refuted you either
ignore it, blow smoke, or pretend that what you said was not what you
meant and scurry off to try again.
 
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Clarence

Jan 1, 1970
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John Fields said:
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So far, you're a 97 pound weakling.
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"You're", cretin.
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Ahhh... I see. You're an artful dodger.

You make a claim, then when it's challenged and refuted you either
ignore it, blow smoke, or pretend that what you said was not what you
meant and scurry off to try again.

I made no claims, I stated a position / opinion. Since that is a final stance.
There can be no response.

I see this conversation is over, since when someone starts checking spelling
and punctuation they have glossed over, or frozen up.

Bye.
 
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