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Discussion in 'Electronic Design' started by Matt Meerian, Sep 14, 2004.

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  1. Matt Meerian

    Matt Meerian Guest

    Hello Group,
    I'm not sure if this is off topic, but I'd like to ask any engineering
    professionals out there if they have worked at anyplace where the
    engineers were super competitive with each other. If so, what were
    the circumstances/conditions?
    The places I have work have always been a cooperative environment,
    engineers work together to solve a problem.
    Cheers,
    Matt Meerian
    www.geocities.com/matt6ft9
     
  2. Jim Thompson

    Jim Thompson Guest

    The real world is full of back-stabbers waiting to pick you off when
    you make an error.

    Particularly if you're an outside consultant brought in to fix the
    woes of the incompetent staff ;-)

    ...Jim Thompson
     
  3. Joerg

    Joerg Guest

    Hi Jim,
    That's a tough one. The first visit is often a real challenge. But it
    all eases off a lot when the consultant never takes credit alone but
    includes the crew, and never says "told ya so". Another thing I am
    trying to convey is that I am in no way after one of their jobs. That is
    often a strong underlying concern. Probably more so today than a couple
    years ago.

    Regards, Joerg
     
  4. Jim Thompson

    Jim Thompson Guest

    Yep. The best way is to let the ring leader present the fix to the
    boss and take the credit... I'm only there for the money any how ;-)

    That way I get repeat business.

    ...Jim Thompson
     
  5. Joerg

    Joerg Guest

    Hi Matt,

    Engineers are usually a friendly and cooperative bunch. You should
    compare to other folks. Once I saw two car sales guys in their shiny
    suits starting to yell at each other. You know, the stuff that kids
    should not hear. Then fists came out and some manager had to step in and
    break it up. Whew.

    Regards, Joerg
     
  6. No. This is simply whining. Engineers blame manages, managers blame
    engineers.
    Doubt it. A back stabber wont let it be known. *Most* people are pretty
    good back stabbers. There has been millions of years to perfect that
    very useful trait.

    Oh dear... it don't seem like my stuff
    (http://www.anasoft.co.uk/replicators/index.html)has gotten through to
    those that read this group:)

    Kevin Aylward

    http://www.anasoft.co.uk
    SuperSpice, a very affordable Mixed-Mode
    Windows Simulator with Schematic Capture,
    Waveform Display, FFT's and Filter Design.
     
  7. Like, and you think that don't happen in engineering? Dream on. happens
    all the bloody time. By and large I have found all characters traits in
    all professions, pretty much uniform spread. The 10,000's of design
    engineers that shows he is as thick as two short planks by actually
    enjoying and getting into watching say, football, is evidence enough
    that he is the same as those beer swilling oil riggers.

    Kevin Aylward

    http://www.anasoft.co.uk
    SuperSpice, a very affordable Mixed-Mode
    Windows Simulator with Schematic Capture,
    Waveform Display, FFT's and Filter Design.
     
  8. Everyone is a back stabber when the relevant situation arises. Its an
    inescapable fact of Darwinian Evolution.
    But the consultant is probably just as incompetent as the internal
    staff, so there displeasure is understandable.

    Everyone thinks that they are better than average, which is a
    statistical impossibility.

    Kevin Aylward

    http://www.anasoft.co.uk
    SuperSpice, a very affordable Mixed-Mode
    Windows Simulator with Schematic Capture,
    Waveform Display, FFT's and Filter Design.
     
  9. All places are like this. However, it would be bloody daft for people to
    make his obvious. One never shows ones hand.
    All places are like this as well, however this does not mean that people
    are not still competing with each other. This is just a manifestation of
    the prisoners dilemma. That is, a certain amount of mutual co-operation
    aids ones own interests.

    See http://www.anasoft.co.uk/replicators/index.html, if you want the
    whole rundown.

    Kevin Aylward

    http://www.anasoft.co.uk
    SuperSpice, a very affordable Mixed-Mode
    Windows Simulator with Schematic Capture,
    Waveform Display, FFT's and Filter Design.
     
  10. Wrong description.
    Not backstabbers - arselickers.

    --
    Dirk

    The Consensus:-
    The political party for the new millenium
    http://www.theconsensus.org
     
  11. Jim Thompson

    Jim Thompson Guest

    Except for me, I have a proven track record ;-)

    ...Jim Thompson
     
  12. Joerg

    Joerg Guest

    Hi Kevin,
    C'mon. I haven't had a fist fight in all the 20 years or so in
    engineering. Even if someone said "Oh, now he's full of it" that was
    always meant as a joke. The only time I become suspicious is if someone
    lies because I can't stand that.
    Or rugby in your country ;-)

    Ok, got me there. Twice. I did work on an oil rig and I do like beer.
    Don't like soccer or other ballgames though. But although oil rig folks
    have a rough skin they are one of the most cooperative professionals I
    ever worked with. They never let each other down and not just when
    everybody's life might depend on it. They have ethics similar to
    firefighters. Rank doesn't matter much either. Whether you are an
    engineer or a roustabout, if you need a hand to get a piece of pipe
    hooked up you'll get that help right away.

    Regards, Joerg
     
  13. Kevin, I know you've put a lot of thought and study into the study of
    Darwinian evolutionary theory, but that statement is patently false. It is
    equivalent to saying "Everyone will have children when the relevant
    situation arises." Clearly, many people don't, unless you use a circular
    definition of "relevant."

    We may have predispositions, but we can choose not to be bound by them.
     
  14. I wonder how many people Siddhartha stabbed in the back on his rise to Buddhahood?


    --
    Dirk

    The Consensus:-
    The political party for the new millenium
    http://www.theconsensus.org
     
  15. Joerg

    Joerg Guest

    Hi Kevin,
    That ain't so. I know you don't share this belief with me (wish you
    would) but many people treat others nicely and without back stabbing
    simply because the bible says they shall do so. If I were intent on
    doing such mischief next week I should not be taking part in communion
    at the next service.
    Then the consultant wouldn't get repeat business and his other biz would
    dry up as well. Good companies call in consultants when they are stuck
    or need expertise they don't have at hand. That is smart behavior. In
    the same way we go to the doctor when a health problem escapes our
    explanation or lingers way too long.

    Regards, Joerg
     
  16. Not competitive, anti competitive. A work atmosphere where the nail that
    sticks up gets pounded down, so to speak.

    The down side of competitive environments, when someone is the idiot
    son-in-law of the boss, is that one actually has to accomplish something
    in order to compete. Since this will eventually reveal this person's
    shortcomings, competition is discouraged. They call it 'teamwork'.

    You don't want to know the specifics of the situation or you might not
    have the nerve to get on another airplane.
    Most of the better outfits that I have worked for have encouraged each
    person to excel to the best of their abilities. If one wants to call
    this competition, that's fine. As long as the competition didn't involve
    stepping on other people's toes, it was acceptable.
     
  17. Of course *some* engineers are the type to say nothing, but harbor a
    secret grudge for decades, picking that ideal time to even the score.

    Best regards,
    Spehro Pefhany
     
  18. Jim Thompson

    Jim Thompson Guest

    Yes, There was a certain engineer at Motorola... took me 15 years, but
    I guarantee you, I evened the score... he became unemployable ;-)

    ...Jim Thompson
     
  19. john jardine

    john jardine Guest

    In UK I always found that the good technical staffs operated cooperatively.
    Usually driven by a common need to keep poor managements off their backs.
    Competition, i.e back-stabbing, only ever appeared when a second-rater was
    attempting to move across to the management ladder.
    regards
    jhon
     

  20. Well, excluding those deemed ill. It does seem that some may inherently
    have physical brain problems that prevent certain characteristics, but
    these are reasonable rare to ignore in general discussions.
    Yes. This is a good summary of the situation.

    Kevin Aylward

    http://www.anasoft.co.uk
    SuperSpice, a very affordable Mixed-Mode
    Windows Simulator with Schematic Capture,
    Waveform Display, FFT's and Filter Design.
     
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