Engineering and math

[Daniel Mandic]

But they used rules of thumb and experience, not math. And too many
times they fell down. It's a wonder that so many survived.

Hi Homer Jay Simpson!


The secondary modern school I have visited, is a Building from ~1789.
Big broad stone-stairs, chiselled/worn out in the middle. There are
older around, too.....

Today they build Container, Fully glassed , even the sport-hall, with
iron-grid cheapo Stairrs. (What a ladder... ;-()



Best Regards,

Daniel Mandic

 

[Homer J Simpson]

The ark was built by talented and knowledgable amateurs.

The story of the Ark was copied from Gilgamesh. There's no suggestion it was
true.

 

[Eeyore]

With bulkheads with no ceilings.

They simply weren't tall enough. This was fixed on the other vessels in the
class.

And sunk by a cowboy intent on setting a speed record ;-)

There's another rumour that the coal in the bunkers was on fire ( not uncommon
in those days apparently ) and they simply wanted to use it up fast.

Graham

 

[Homer J Simpson]

There's another rumour that the coal in the bunkers was on fire ( not
uncommon
in those days apparently ) and they simply wanted to use it up fast.

IMO this is a classic case of someone (Captain Smith) operating a system
which exceeded his skill and experience. It has been suggested that opening
the water tight doors would have extended the life of the ship however
calculations show she would have turned turtle had he done this. He could,
however, have ordered all wooden items thrown overboard to provide refuge
from the cold water. I also wonder if he could have steamed towards the
nearest rescue ship while he still had power and given the passengers a
better chance of survival.

Still, when the WTC towers were attacked, people were told to stay in place
for rescue. Others climbed to the top of the towers expecting a rescue which
was impossible. Only those who made the effort to get down and out ASAP
survived. We haven't learned much.

 

[Eeyore]

Hi Homer Jay Simpson!

The secondary modern school I have visited, is a Building from ~1789.
Big broad stone-stairs, chiselled/worn out in the middle. There are
older around, too.....

Today they build Container, Fully glassed , even the sport-hall, with
iron-grid cheapo Stairrs. (What a ladder... ;-()

Here's part of my old school. It dates from 1365.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Albans_School_(Hertfordshire)
http://arglist.com/cgi-bin/image?gallery=st_albans&name=20040409-003
http://www.hertfordshire.com/pages/photos/gallery/fullsize/409.jpg
http://www.hertfordshire.com/pages/photos/gallery/fullsize/407.jpg

Graham

 

[Eeyore]

IMO this is a classic case of someone (Captain Smith) operating a system
which exceeded his skill and experience. It has been suggested that opening
the water tight doors would have extended the life of the ship however
calculations show she would have turned turtle had he done this. He could,
however, have ordered all wooden items thrown overboard to provide refuge
from the cold water. I also wonder if he could have steamed towards the
nearest rescue ship while he still had power and given the passengers a
better chance of survival.

I don't think they knew of any vessel coming.

Still, when the WTC towers were attacked, people were told to stay in place
for rescue. Others climbed to the top of the towers expecting a rescue which
was impossible. Only those who made the effort to get down and out ASAP
survived. We haven't learned much.

What totally perplexed me was why those trapped in the WTC couldn't get out onto
the roof ! Was there no access ? Has anyone thought to fix this ?

Graham

 

[Homer J Simpson]

I don't think they knew of any vessel coming.

They had radio for a while.

What totally perplexed me was why those trapped in the WTC couldn't get
out onto
the roof ! Was there no access ? Has anyone thought to fix this ?

They could get onto the roof AFAIK. But there was no way to get choppers to
land there.

 

[RST Engineering \(jw\)]

Is anybody still answering this asshole?

Jim


news:[email protected]...

 

[Eeyore]

They had radio for a while.

They did but I don't think they ever received enough info to be able to act on.

They could get onto the roof AFAIK. But there was no way to get choppers to
land there.

Why not ?

Graham

 

[Homer J Simpson]

According to one report:

"The light northerly wind kept the north corner of the roof clear of smoke,
and helicopter rescue should have been possible. However the Port Authority
had all the doors to the roof of the tower locked shut, despite the fact
that helicopter pilots rescued 28 people from the tower's roof during the
1993 bombing".

So they were boned. I've always believed in the old maxim, "Feet, do your
stuff." I recall during one fairly good earthquake I made it down the length
of a workshop, vaulted a counter, ran between two narrow shelves fully
stocked, vaulted another counter, went through two heavy doors and was
outside the building while my workmates were starting to ask, "Was that an
earthquake?"

 

[Eeyore]

According to one report:

"The light northerly wind kept the north corner of the roof clear of smoke,
and helicopter rescue should have been possible. However the Port Authority
had all the doors to the roof of the tower locked shut, despite the fact
that helicopter pilots rescued 28 people from the tower's roof during the
1993 bombing".

What *were* they thinking of ?

Graham

 

[Homer J Simpson]

What *were* they thinking of ?

They didn't want to station guards up there to stop terrorists with hang
gliders?

 

[Daniel Mandic]

Here's part of my old school. It dates from 1365.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Albans_School_(Hertfordshire)
http://arglist.com/cgi-bin/image?gallery=st_albans&name=20040409-003
http://www.hertfordshire.com/pages/photos/gallery/fullsize/409.jpg
http://www.hertfordshire.com/pages/photos/gallery/fullsize/407.jpg

Graham

Lovely. I like it!

I guessed to 1412-1440... but 1365 is heavy




Here is mine...

http://www.kluse.asn-graz.ac.at/schulverbund/Karl Morre/index.htm



The Container is there, too....



Best Regards,

Daniel Mandic

 

[Daniel Mandic]

What totally perplexed me was why those trapped in the WTC couldn't
get out onto the roof ! Was there no access ? Has anyone thought to
fix this ?

Graham

My dear, what more to come .... I thought it was already terrible what
I read here all the time.

/me shaking the head




(elicopter?)
:-|




Best Regards,

Daniel Mandic

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Is anybody still answering this asshole?

Jim

news:[email protected]...

It looks like the other trolls, but that's about all. Just toss him
into the bit bucket and ignore him.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

 

[Eeyore]

Lovely. I like it!

I guessed to 1412-1440... but 1365 is heavy

The school itself was founded in 948 and is the second oldest in Britain !



Cheers, Graham

 

[John Larkin]

Here's part of my old school. It dates from 1365.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Albans_School_(Hertfordshire)
http://arglist.com/cgi-bin/image?gallery=st_albans&name=20040409-003
http://www.hertfordshire.com/pages/photos/gallery/fullsize/409.jpg
http://www.hertfordshire.com/pages/photos/gallery/fullsize/407.jpg

Graham

Nice old pile.

I went to Ben Franklin in New Orleans, one of the first public (in the
US sense of public) "magnet" schools in the US. It was in a charming
but rundown old courthouse building with Grecian columns, leaky roofs,
narrow creaky stairs and sloping floors, but small classes and superb
teachers. We had 88 in my graduating class.

http://www.benfranklinhighschool.org/
http://www.bfhsa.org/

They outgrew the old heap and moved to a new campus near the
lakefront, in plenty of time to get flooded by Katrina. In order to
raise money to re-open, they had to change it to a charter school
funded by a foundation, as the New Orleans schools were still in
chaos.

John

 

[Eeyore]

Nice old pile.

I went to Ben Franklin in New Orleans, one of the first public (in the
US sense of public) "magnet" schools in the US. It was in a charming
but rundown old courthouse building with Grecian columns, leaky roofs,
narrow creaky stairs and sloping floors, but small classes and superb
teachers. We had 88 in my graduating class.

http://www.benfranklinhighschool.org/
http://www.bfhsa.org/

They outgrew the old heap and moved to a new campus near the
lakefront, in plenty of time to get flooded by Katrina.

Oops !

In order to
raise money to re-open, they had to change it to a charter school
funded by a foundation, as the New Orleans schools were still in
chaos.

What's a 'charter' school ?

Mine has always been a Public School but that has a different meaning to the
USA. Your public schools we would call state schools you see. Our Public
Schools are in fact private if that makes any kind of sense ! I actually got
a scholarship to mine, in fact half the pupils at the time did so as it was
at that time also a Direct Grant school which meant it took 'state' pupils
as well as private fee-paying ones. You had to pass an entrance exam but I
guess they may have been more lenient with the fee payers.

This is the website. It was founded in 948 btw.
http://www.st-albans.herts.sch.uk/

Graham

 

[John Larkin]

Oops !



What's a 'charter' school ?

It's a public school that draws up its own rules of operation that are
different from the usual, universal ones. It could specialize in arts,
dance, science, or something like that, and admit students and select
teachers on that specialized basis. The "charter" is the defining
document. These remain in the free public school system, but often get
additional outside funding.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charter_school

Mine has always been a Public School but that has a different meaning to the
USA. Your public schools we would call state schools you see. Our Public
Schools are in fact private if that makes any kind of sense ! I actually got
a scholarship to mine, in fact half the pupils at the time did so as it was
at that time also a Direct Grant school which meant it took 'state' pupils
as well as private fee-paying ones. You had to pass an entrance exam but I
guess they may have been more lenient with the fee payers.

This is the website. It was founded in 948 btw.
http://www.st-albans.herts.sch.uk/

What would it cost to attend St Albans these days?

The Brat attended public grammar and middle schools here (free, and
quite good) and a Jesuit high school, which was very good. It cost
about $7k a year, probably about $10K now. High-end private high
schools can cost $15k to over $30k a year here. Lick-Wilmerding High
School is the high end here, probably $40K by now, but they do require
all their students to learn welding.

John

 

[John Larkin]

They simply weren't tall enough. This was fixed on the other vessels in the
class.



There's another rumour that the coal in the bunkers was on fire ( not uncommon
in those days apparently ) and they simply wanted to use it up fast.

Graham

Great book: Voyage, by Sterling Hayden (the actor.) About a sailing
ship voyage from Boston to San Francisco, around the horn, with a
cargo of burning coal.

John