EnergyStar plugpacks

[David L. Jones]

I just got a new Nokia mobile phone and it came with a switchmode
mains charger plugpack as many of them do these days, but this one has
an Energy Star label saying this adapter was energy star compliant for
reduced consumption. This is the first time I've seen this on any
plugpack, so I thought I'd test it out.

I got 0.12W on my energy meter with no phone connected. Compare that
with 0.55W for my old Nokia transformer plugpack, and 0.55W for a
(presumably non-energy star compliant) Motorola switchmode plugpack.

That's a big saving, especially when you multiply it by a few tens of
millions of phones. Very nice indeed.

Dave.

 

[Phil Allison]

"David L. Jones"

I just got a new Nokia mobile phone and it came with a switchmode
mains charger plugpack as many of them do these days, but this one has
an Energy Star label saying this adapter was energy star compliant for
reduced consumption. This is the first time I've seen this on any
plugpack, so I thought I'd test it out.

I got 0.12W on my energy meter with no phone connected. Compare that
with 0.55W for my old Nokia transformer plugpack, and 0.55W for a
(presumably non-energy star compliant) Motorola switchmode plugpack.

That's a big saving,

** Bollocks - it is utterly SFA.

especially when you multiply it by a few tens of
millions of phones. Very nice indeed.

** Utter drivel.

Wot a incorrigible wanker you are - Jones.





........ Phil

 

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[Winfield Hill]

** Bollocks - it is utterly SFA.

Saturated fatty acid
Surface forces apparatus
Segmented Flow Analyzer
Sales Force Automation
Student/Farmworker Alliance
Super Furry Animals
Stochastic Frontier Analysis
Scottish Football Association

 

[Franc Zabkar]

I just got a new Nokia mobile phone and it came with a switchmode
mains charger plugpack as many of them do these days, but this one has
an Energy Star label saying this adapter was energy star compliant for
reduced consumption. This is the first time I've seen this on any
plugpack, so I thought I'd test it out.

I got 0.12W on my energy meter with no phone connected. Compare that
with 0.55W for my old Nokia transformer plugpack, and 0.55W for a
(presumably non-energy star compliant) Motorola switchmode plugpack.

That's a big saving, especially when you multiply it by a few tens of
millions of phones. Very nice indeed.

Dave.

My charger sits in the drawer until I need it. That's 0.00W when no
phone is connected. Furthermore, my phone doesn't have any unnecessary
energy wasting features such as cameras and the like.

- Franc Zabkar

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Saturated fatty acid
Surface forces apparatus
Segmented Flow Analyzer
Sales Force Automation
Student/Farmworker Alliance
Super Furry Animals
Stochastic Frontier Analysis
Scottish Football Association

Some Faulty Australian

--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

 

[David L. Jones]

My charger sits in the drawer until I need it. That's 0.00W when no
phone is connected.

Much easier to simply switch the power point off, but then of course
the wife complains that it "looks messy" :->

Furthermore, my phone doesn't have any unnecessary
energy wasting features such as cameras and the like.

My new phone has more standby and talk battery life than my old phone
monochrome Nokia, and it's got a 2MP camera, MP3 player and all the
frills, and a ridiculously bright 2" screen. Amazing.
But it's got like 3 different power saving and power down modes,
haven't figured them all out yet, might have to RTFM to save some
time!

Dave.

 

[kreed]

My charger sits in the drawer until I need it. That's 0.00W when no
phone is connected. Furthermore, my phone doesn't have any unnecessary
energy wasting features such as cameras and the like.

- Franc Zabkar

Try finding a phone these days without a camera . Last time I
looked at the local Telstra shop, (over a year ago) even the cheapest
models all had cameras.

Will have to face up to this in the new year, as my current CDMA will
be useless, and will be forced to upgrade to a next G phone with all
these fancy features. from what I hear, as a bonus, the coverage will
be sub-standard outside major cities, but hey, look on the bright
side, in addition to the cameras, MP3 Players, FM radio, etc etc we
will also have fancy "must have" features like pay TV and "mobile
internet at broadband speed " that I, and most people would never use,
and wouldn't pay typically excessive access fees for. What happened to
the people (surely a significant number) who just want a phone that
they can use reliably ?

 

[Phil Allison]

"Brendan Gillatt"

At least spell your pointless insults correctly: "What an"

** **** off - autistic pedant fool.




......... Phil

 

[Phil Allison]

"Winfield Hill"

Saturated fatty acid
Surface forces apparatus
Segmented Flow Analyzer
Sales Force Automation
Student/Farmworker Alliance
Super Furry Animals
Stochastic Frontier Analysis
Scottish Football Association

** Wonder wot this insufferably pompous cretin imagines ASD stands for -
eh ?



........ Phil

 

[Phil Allison]

"David L. Jones"

My new phone has more standby and talk battery life than my old phone
monochrome Nokia, and it's got a 2MP camera, MP3 player and all the
frills, and a ridiculously bright 2" screen. Amazing.

** Wot a incorrigible wanker you are - Jones.

But it's got like 3 different power saving and power down modes,
haven't figured them all out yet, might have to RTFM to save some
time!

** Best stick the POS in that blender you were on about recently.

Wot a incorrigible wanker you are - Jones.



........ Phil

 

[David L. Jones]

Try finding a phone these days without a camera . Last time I
looked at the local Telstra shop, (over a year ago) even the cheapest
models all had cameras.

Will have to face up to this in the new year, as my current CDMA will
be useless, and will be forced to upgrade to a next G phone with all
these fancy features. from what I hear, as a bonus, the coverage will
be sub-standard outside major cities, but hey, look on the bright
side, in addition to the cameras, MP3 Players, FM radio, etc etc we
will also have fancy "must have" features like pay TV and "mobile
internet at broadband speed " that I, and most people would never use,
and wouldn't pay typically excessive access fees for. What happened to
the people (surely a significant number) who just want a phone that
they can use reliably ?

I'll be keeping my old anti-ROHS lead based solidly constructed phone
for canyoning and other adventure stuff. I think it will survive being
thrown down 10m waterfalls much better than the new one.

Dave.

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

"Winfield Hill"

** Wonder wot this insufferably pompous cretin imagines ASD stands for -
eh ?

....... Phil

ASD = Allison, Sorry Dipshit.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

 

[Phil Hobbs]

I just got a new Nokia mobile phone and it came with a switchmode
mains charger plugpack as many of them do these days, but this one has
an Energy Star label saying this adapter was energy star compliant for
reduced consumption. This is the first time I've seen this on any
plugpack, so I thought I'd test it out.

I got 0.12W on my energy meter with no phone connected. Compare that
with 0.55W for my old Nokia transformer plugpack, and 0.55W for a
(presumably non-energy star compliant) Motorola switchmode plugpack.

That's a big saving, especially when you multiply it by a few tens of
millions of phones. Very nice indeed.

Dave.

Dave, you drank the Fresh-Ade about mobile phone chargers eating power.

People in the developed world use something between 120 kWH/day (Europe)
and 300 kWH/day (Canada or the US). If every one of them saved 0.43W
continuously, 24/7, that would be an improvement of 12 WH/120 kWH or
0.01%. And that's if _everyone_ had a mobile, and _everyone_ got a new
charger. Not to mention the energy cost of manufacturing all those new
chargers.

Every little bit doesn't help.

Cheers,

Phil Hobbs

 

[kreed]

Dave, you drank the Fresh-Ade about mobile phone chargers eating power.

People in the developed world use something between 120 kWH/day (Europe)
and 300 kWH/day (Canada or the US). If every one of them saved 0.43W
continuously, 24/7, that would be an improvement of 12 WH/120 kWH or
0.01%. And that's if _everyone_ had a mobile, and _everyone_ got a new
charger. Not to mention the energy cost of manufacturing all those new
chargers.

Every little bit doesn't help.

Cheers,

Phil Hobbs

Dave, you drank the Fresh-Ade about mobile phone chargers eating power.

People in the developed world use something between 120 kWH/day (Europe)
and 300 kWH/day (Canada or the US). If every one of them saved 0.43W
continuously, 24/7, that would be an improvement of 12 WH/120 kWH or
0.01%. And that's if _everyone_ had a mobile, and _everyone_ got a new
charger. Not to mention the energy cost of manufacturing all those new
chargers.

Every little bit doesn't help.

Cheers,

Phil Hobbs

I see your point about it making bugger all difference, and agree
(there are much more effective ways for everyday people to save much
more power) but I find it very hard to believe that every person (or
household) - even in the US (home of all extravagance) could use
120-300 kwh per day. This alone would equate to $18 - $45 a day (at
15c per kwh) which I doubt is possible to sustain, or maybe this sort
of financial drain is contributing to the US sub-prime meltdown ?

 

[Phil Hobbs]

I see your point about it making bugger all difference, and agree
(there are much more effective ways for everyday people to save much
more power) but I find it very hard to believe that every person (or
household) - even in the US (home of all extravagance) could use
120-300 kwh per day. This alone would equate to $18 - $45 a day (at
15c per kwh) which I doubt is possible to sustain, or maybe this sort
of financial drain is contributing to the US sub-prime meltdown ?

That figure isn't just electricity, but includes gasoline (the biggest
use for most of us), home heat, the inefficiency of electric plants, and
the energy required to make and transport the stuff we use. I got the
figure from David MacKay's (draft) book, "Sustainable energy--without
the hot air",
http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/sustainable/book/tex/ps/Welcome.html.

It'll be a pretty good book when it's done, and it has some excellent
sections even at this stage.

Cheers,

Phil Hobbs

 

[Chris Jones]

I just got a new Nokia mobile phone and it came with a switchmode
mains charger plugpack as many of them do these days, but this one has
an Energy Star label saying this adapter was energy star compliant for
reduced consumption. This is the first time I've seen this on any
plugpack, so I thought I'd test it out.

I got 0.12W on my energy meter with no phone connected. Compare that
with 0.55W for my old Nokia transformer plugpack, and 0.55W for a
(presumably non-energy star compliant) Motorola switchmode plugpack.

That's a big saving, especially when you multiply it by a few tens of
millions of phones. Very nice indeed.

Dave.

This online book is quite interesting - it tries to put things like your
charger into perspective.

http://www.withouthotair.com/

Chris

 

[David L. Jones]

Dave, you drank the Fresh-Ade about mobile phone chargers eating power.

No I didn't.
I just found it interesting from an engineering point of view that you
can now get these low standby power adapters. Even if it saves a small
sniff of power, I just though it was elegant from an engineering point
of view, a NICE thing to do.

People in the developed world use something between 120 kWH/day (Europe)
and 300 kWH/day (Canada or the US). If every one of them saved 0.43W
continuously, 24/7, that would be an improvement of 12 WH/120 kWH or
0.01%. And that's if _everyone_ had a mobile, and _everyone_ got a new
charger. Not to mention the energy cost of manufacturing all those new
chargers.

I know.
I wasn't implying that it would help save the world or anything, and
I'm not saying everyone should rush out and buy one because it's going
to save them power, but it's certainly not a BAD step forward for the
industry.
You can fiddle with numbers and their relevance in the global scheme
of things all you like, but 0.1W will always be better than 0.5W.

Every little bit doesn't help.

*sigh*

Dave.

 

[Phil Allison]

"David L. Jones"
Phil Hobbs

No I didn't.

I just found it interesting from an engineering point of view that you
can now get these low standby power adapters. Even if it saves a small
sniff of power, I just though it was elegant from an engineering point
of view, a NICE thing to do.

** So the cretin is still unaware we are being FORCED to use such adaptors
for all applications - whether they are safe or suitable or not.

I know.
I wasn't implying that it would help save the world or anything, and
I'm not saying everyone should rush out and buy one because it's going
to save them power, but it's certainly not a BAD step forward for the
industry.

** What the " industry" making AC power adaptors is being FORCED to do
IS a bad thing.

The ban on the sale of iron transformer adaptors begins in April next year.

See:

http://sound.westhost.com/articles/external-psu.htm




........ Phil

 

[David L. Jones]

"David L. Jones"
Phil Hobbs






** So the cretin is still unaware we are being FORCED to use such adaptors
for all applications - whether they are safe or suitable or not.

Of course I am aware of that Phil. My posts have had nothing to do
with that at all.

** What the " industry" making AC power adaptors is being FORCED to do
IS a bad thing.

Of course *that* is a bad thing, but my posts had nothing to do with
that at all.

Dave.