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harry

Jan 1, 1970
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Matt,

I already posted I am a novice in security systems and all I need was
to capture the faces of the intruders on video so it can be used in
court if needed. I dont need satellite surviellance or whatever that
high tech. You responded that good cameras will cost around $300 each.
If I buy 3 cameras for $900 and then another 1k - 1.5k for DVR, the
total will come to between 2k-3k which is what I asked. Sounds pretty
reasonable question to me. I dont understand why everybody is getting
so upset. Thanks for your response anyway.
 
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harry

Jan 1, 1970
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Ok, suggest me some good professionals in Santa Clara county,
Sunnyvale, CA area who offer reasonably priced package for internet
video surviellance.
 
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Frank Olson

Jan 1, 1970
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harry said:
Ok, suggest me some good professionals in Santa Clara county,
Sunnyvale, CA area who offer reasonably priced package for internet
video surviellance.


I guess you missed the part where I suggested: "Contact three reputable
dealers in your area (look through your local Yellow Pages). Check out
their reps at the BBB (if they happen to be members, so much the better)."
 
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Matt Ion

Jan 1, 1970
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harry said:
What is water marking and how do I do that.

Any proper DVR software should do it. The date and time need to be
embedded in the video somehow. Most will do it visibly.


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Matt Ion

Jan 1, 1970
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harry said:
Matt,

I already posted I am a novice in security systems and all I need was
to capture the faces of the intruders on video so it can be used in
court if needed. I dont need satellite surviellance or whatever that
high tech. You responded that good cameras will cost around $300 each.
If I buy 3 cameras for $900 and then another 1k - 1.5k for DVR, the
total will come to between 2k-3k which is what I asked. Sounds pretty
reasonable question to me. I dont understand why everybody is getting
so upset. Thanks for your response anyway.

We're (well, I'm) not saying this is you... just was explaining, this is
what we come up against all too often in this profession (and in fact,
it happens in a lot of skilled trades), which is why everyone's been a
bit leery of your question.


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Bob Worthy

Jan 1, 1970
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Matt Ion said:
Any proper DVR software should do it. The date and time need to be
embedded in the video somehow. Most will do it visibly.

In today's world, a person could digitally alter a picture by putting a
monkey's head on a horse and swear they video recorded this freak of nature.
The old VCR tapes could be edited by erasing video, cutting and splicing,
etc. None of this stuff would hold up. The manufacturers have a watermark on
the recording, much like a watermark on good stationary. Mostly invisible
but yet there. When someone tampers with the video image, they disrupt the
watermark meaning it has been tampered with and not admissible to the
courts. Software needs to be proprietary as well. Alot of these so called
DVRs that are merely cheap computers with video capture cards and running
off of Windows will not do it. Bill Gates never meant for Windows to be a
security program. These type of machines will record for you but they are
not meant for the real security world.
 
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harry

Jan 1, 1970
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Bob said:
In today's world, a person could digitally alter a picture by putting a
monkey's head on a horse and swear they video recorded this freak of nature.
The old VCR tapes could be edited by erasing video, cutting and splicing,
etc. None of this stuff would hold up. The manufacturers have a watermark on
the recording, much like a watermark on good stationary. Mostly invisible
but yet there. When someone tampers with the video image, they disrupt the
watermark meaning it has been tampered with and not admissible to the
courts. Software needs to be proprietary as well. Alot of these so called
DVRs that are merely cheap computers with video capture cards and running
off of Windows will not do it. Bill Gates never meant for Windows to be a
security program. These type of machines will record for you but they are
not meant for the real security world.


Bob,

Can you suggest some DVR recorders and software with watermark
features. I will also look on videoinsight.net suggested by Matt last
night.
 
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harry

Jan 1, 1970
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Matt,

I do need the alarm monitoring system as a backup and as a possible
deterrent. If I use three IP cameras, how much bandwidth internet
connection do you think I will need if I use the DVR you suggested on
videoinsight.net. My brother has 1.5Mbps DSL but he usually gets around
800Kbps - 1MBps and I will be getting Comcast most likely 3Mbps or
6Mbps. Is it better to upgrade to more bandwidth on my brothers
connection since thats where the DVR will be. Would I be able to use
the DVR on videoinsight.net to record at BOTH my apartment and my
brothers place simultaneously. If IP cameras are better than CCTV
cameras I dont mind shelling out an extra hundred bucks for each
camera.

I already have a DLINK broadband 108Mbps wireless router with 4 ports
on it. If wireless IP cameras are more expensive I will go for wired
ones. Will there be any difference in the quality of recording between
wired and wireless IP cameras. If itis too much work for me, I will use
a local professional to set up the whole camera system. Let me know if
you know of any good techs in SantaClara county, Sunnyvale, CA area.
 
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Matt Ion

Jan 1, 1970
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harry said:
Matt,

I do need the alarm monitoring system as a backup and as a possible
deterrent. If I use three IP cameras, how much bandwidth internet
connection do you think I will need if I use the DVR you suggested on
videoinsight.net. My brother has 1.5Mbps DSL but he usually gets around
800Kbps - 1MBps and I will be getting Comcast most likely 3Mbps or
6Mbps. Is it better to upgrade to more bandwidth on my brothers
connection since thats where the DVR will be.

Bandwidth will depend on how you set up your cameras - framerate, image
size, compression, etc. It will also depend on whether the cameras can
be set to transmit only on motion-detection, which would greatly cut
down your bandwidth requirements.

Remember that most broadband connections have a much higher downstream
bandwidth than upstream; your connection will only be as fast as the
fastest part of the connection. I know some providers have been know to
provide 3-5Mbps downstream but only 128Mbit upstream (ie. sending from
your computer). Whatever upstream speed Comcast provides, it will
probably be less than your brother's downstream, so that's what you need
to concentrate on.
Would I be able to use
the DVR on videoinsight.net to record at BOTH my apartment and my
brothers place simultaneously.

Yes, but you'd need a separate computer at each location.

The VideoInsight system does support network storage, which you may be
able to utilize to set your brother's computer as a storage target
without needing to have a complete DVR there; that would also allow you
to control the data needs and motion detection within the DVR and have
it simply send the data over the line. I haven't worked with that yet,
though, so you may have to ask VI's people about how it work, as I
believe it's primarily intended to use a SAN (storage area network)
device rather than a remote computer.
If IP cameras are better than CCTV
cameras I dont mind shelling out an extra hundred bucks for each
camera.

They're not better AS SUCH... just have certain advantages in certain
situations. In your case, if you're going to park the DVR at your
apartment, you don't need to use IP cameras; standard CCTV cameras can
plug directly into the DVR.
I already have a DLINK broadband 108Mbps wireless router with 4 ports
on it. If wireless IP cameras are more expensive I will go for wired
ones. Will there be any difference in the quality of recording between
wired and wireless IP cameras.
No.

If itis too much work for me, I will use
a local professional to set up the whole camera system. Let me know if
you know of any good techs in SantaClara county, Sunnyvale, CA area.

I don't. If you were in Vancouver, BC, I'd be glad to help, as it
sounds like a bit of a challenge :) Of course, if you want to fly me to
Sunnyvale for a few days, I'd be willing, but that would probably kill
your budget :)


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Matt Ion

Jan 1, 1970
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harry said:
Let me know if
you know of any good techs in SantaClara county, Sunnyvale, CA area.

Actually, if you decide the VideoInsight system will fit your needs,
you'll need to contact a local dealer anyway, as I don't believe they
sell directly to the public. They may be able to give you some
suggestions...




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Stanley Barthfarkle

Jan 1, 1970
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Ok, suggest me some good professionals in Santa Clara county,
Sunnyvale, CA area who offer reasonably priced package for internet
video surviellance.


Yellow Pages. Google.
 
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Matt Ion

Jan 1, 1970
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Bob said:
In today's world, a person could digitally alter a picture by putting a
monkey's head on a horse and swear they video recorded this freak of nature.
The old VCR tapes could be edited by erasing video, cutting and splicing,
etc. None of this stuff would hold up. The manufacturers have a watermark on
the recording, much like a watermark on good stationary. Mostly invisible
but yet there. When someone tampers with the video image, they disrupt the
watermark meaning it has been tampered with and not admissible to the
courts. Software needs to be proprietary as well. Alot of these so called
DVRs that are merely cheap computers with video capture cards and running
off of Windows will not do it. Bill Gates never meant for Windows to be a
security program. These type of machines will record for you but they are
not meant for the real security world.

True. FYI, the VideoInsight system does support watermarking. From the
manual:

Enable Watermark: To ensure that video files have not been tampered, you
can enable a Watermark to be applied to the video. Once enabled, a
unique checksum is hidden on the file and upon reprocessing, will not
match the original number if the file has been altered. Please note that
this requires additional processing time at the end of each file and may
not be necessary for every user.


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harry

Jan 1, 1970
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Matt said:
Bandwidth will depend on how you set up your cameras - framerate, image
size, compression, etc. It will also depend on whether the cameras can
be set to transmit only on motion-detection, which would greatly cut
down your bandwidth requirements.


What would be an ideal framerate, image size and compression for my
requirements to get the face of the intruders clearly. Yes I want to
set it up only on motion detection. The max upload comcast offers is
from 384 to 768 Kbps for 4Mbps to 8Mbps download packages. Assuming the
worst case, is 384 Kbps upload bandwidth enough to transmit two IP
cameras to download on my brothers end which is anywhere from 768kbps
to 1Mbps download speed and that should be enough I guess.


Remember that most broadband connections have a much higher downstream
bandwidth than upstream; your connection will only be as fast as the
fastest part of the connection. I know some providers have been know to
provide 3-5Mbps downstream but only 128Mbit upstream (ie. sending from
your computer). Whatever upstream speed Comcast provides, it will
probably be less than your brother's downstream, so that's what you need
to concentrate on.


Yes, but you'd need a separate computer at each location.


Thats fine. I have a personal laptop with 100GB storage with Intel Core
duo processor and 1GB RAM and another unused desktop in my brother
place to record the video feed on his side.


The VideoInsight system does support network storage, which you may be
able to utilize to set your brother's computer as a storage target
without needing to have a complete DVR there; that would also allow you
to control the data needs and motion detection within the DVR and have
it simply send the data over the line. I haven't worked with that yet,
though, so you may have to ask VI's people about how it work, as I
believe it's primarily intended to use a SAN (storage area network)
device rather than a remote computer.


They're not better AS SUCH... just have certain advantages in certain
situations. In your case, if you're going to park the DVR at your
apartment, you don't need to use IP cameras; standard CCTV cameras can
plug directly into the DVR.


IP cameras are a requirement since I want to record it in my brothers
place also. So then CCTV is not an option I guess.

I already have a DLINK broadband 108Mbps wireless router with 4 ports

I don't. If you were in Vancouver, BC, I'd be glad to help, as it
sounds like a bit of a challenge :) Of course, if you want to fly me to
Sunnyvale for a few days, I'd be willing, but that would probably kill
your budget :)



I wish I can do that, but unfortunately I cant at this time :-((
 
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harry

Jan 1, 1970
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Matt,

Can you please suggest what would be an ideal DLINK IP camera for my
requirements since I am not knowledgeable abut the features I need.
Based on your input I will probably buy three IP cameras and a DVR and
hire a local security professional to install all of them since I
already have the rest of the infrastructure in laptop, desktop, router
with 4 ports, internet connections etc.
 
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harry

Jan 1, 1970
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G. Morgan said:
I suggest getting a job and not living in the fucking 'hood.



By hood if you are suggesting I am black, then you are wrong. I am not
black and I dont wear any hood.



Your
story is not consistent, you say you're unemployed - yet have a 2-3K
budget in a fucking apt.


I said I will use credit cards. Even if not, why is it so odd for
somebody who lives in an apartmnet to have 2-3k ? Is it that unusual ?



in a obviously not-so-savory area.

When and where did I say I live in not-so-savory area ?


You more than likely are lying about the circumstance--


What would I gain by lying.


you are trying
to illicit free info using a bullshit story.


I didnt know this forum has a payment section. Let me know where it is.

Did my bull shit story (if it is), kill any human being, cause any harm
or destroy somebody's life or lose money or lose job for anyone ?

LoL.


I don't what the real
deal is,
but you're lying -- that is for sure. Liars get no help
here.


There are very few human beings on this planet who can accurately
figure out the truth and you are not one of those blessed ones.

Anyway I never experienced such personal abuse, ridicule and attacks
for no reason in any other forum in 10 years.

Good luck to all.
 
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Matt Ion

Jan 1, 1970
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harry said:
What would be an ideal framerate, image size and compression for my
requirements to get the face of the intruders clearly.

IDEAL is 30fps (standard video), max size (probably 640x480) and lowest
compression... "sufficient" is probably 2-3 fps at max frame size.
Compression settings will depend on what video format(s) the chosen
cameras support. It's a balancing act, with all the factors depending
on your specific circumstances, and exact numbers can only be determined
with actual usage.
Thats fine. I have a personal laptop with 100GB storage with Intel Core
duo processor and 1GB RAM and another unused desktop in my brother
place to record the video feed on his side.

You don't want to use your laptop as a DVR; a security DVR needs to be a
dedicate system.
IP cameras are a requirement since I want to record it in my brothers
place also. So then CCTV is not an option I guess.

IP cameras are not REQUIRED for remote recording, IF you have a LOCAL DVR.

Here's what I would recommend:

Bring the "spare" PC to your place and set it up as a DVR there. Use
standard CCTV cameras - I can't recommend any specifics without a LOT of
information on the layout of your place, and it's really something that
would be better done by someone who can actually inspect the place in
person to determine camera placements and coverages.

Set up the DVR somewhere that it's hidden or not easily accessible, like
in a closet or kitchen cabinet, and if possible even bolt it to the
floor or something else immobile. If you have an alarm there with a
siren going off, chances are a thief is not going to hang around long
looking for a recording device; he's going to grab what he can and get
the hell out.

If possible, use small or even covert cameras, so the perpetrator
doesn't even realize there are cameras. If he doesn't know there are
cameras, he won't know he's being recorded, and won't bother searching
for the DVR.

If off-site backup is that critical, use a DVR software with a
network-storage or network-backup option to send copies of your video to
your brother's place; I assume he has a desktop PC of his own with an
internet connection, which would be sufficient for this task, as such a
use doesn't require a dedicated system. At worse you may need to buy him
an extra hard drive for that machine to handle the storage.

Backup can be done by setting up a VPN (virtual private network) with
his system and using a shared drive just as you would on a LAN, or by
using software specifically intended for the purpose (I BELIEVE, from
what I've read, that VideoInsight's "Archiver" utility will do this, but
you should contact their support people to be sure).

This would help reduce the network bandwidth requirements, and would
drastically improve your choice of cameras, your configuration
flexibility, and most likely your bottom line as well.



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Jim

Jan 1, 1970
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harry said:
By hood if you are suggesting I am black, then you are wrong. I am not
black and I dont wear any hood.






I said I will use credit cards. Even if not, why is it so odd for
somebody who lives in an apartmnet to have 2-3k ? Is it that unusual ?





When and where did I say I live in not-so-savory area ?





What would I gain by lying.





I didnt know this forum has a payment section. Let me know where it is.

Did my bull shit story (if it is), kill any human being, cause any harm
or destroy somebody's life or lose money or lose job for anyone ?

LoL.





There are very few human beings on this planet who can accurately
figure out the truth and you are not one of those blessed ones.

Anyway I never experienced such personal abuse, ridicule and attacks
for no reason in any other forum in 10 years.

Good luck to all.



Ummmmm ..... Do you have a twin brother or would you be related to
someone by the name of Rodney ....?


Naaahhh ..... nevermind!
 
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julian

Jan 1, 1970
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Free advice is one of the purposes of these usenet groups frequented by
experts on that forum topic who enjoy their trade and helping people
like me. I frequent some other usenet groups and give free advice to
beginners in my area of expertize.


And just what is your expertise? Can you take equipment you've never
seen before, figure it all out, run wiring, install the parts, wire
the different parts together, etc, etc?

People come here to answer specific questions, not the type you're
asking. You really need someone to survey your property and give you a
good written quote. And you should get at least 3 of said written
quotes. Oh and avoid ADT. Calling them would be your first mistake.
Sure there may be good ADT offices around, but why take the chance?

I own and operate an alarm company and your type of systems is what we
specialize in, alarms and CCTV plus off premise video monitoring.

Your requirements are what I deem 'Fort Knox'. Pay me $28,000, plus
travelling expenses and I'll cover your needs 100%. Monitoring fees to
be determined, but expect them to run you 20% of the installation cost
per year for video monitoring and 18% per year for the maintenace
contract. Of course any service call would be delayed by the travel
time due to the distance, but as long as you pay the tavel and
accomodation costs, I don't have a problem with your system screwing
up my 1-2 day time frame for service calls.

Don't worry about our credentials. Our dues are all paid up.

Let me know so I can fit you into my schedule. Oh and the sooner you
book the flight and hotel for me the better. I have some strict
dietary requirements I'd like to talk to the hotel chef about.

Julian
 
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julian

Jan 1, 1970
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Tell me why should it cost more than 2k-3k for video surviellance
cameras and recording devices excluding the door alarm system. Its just
a studio apartment with 13X18 ft room with one entrance door and one
6ftX8ft window.


This is a direct quote from you Harry:

"This is the first time I am setting up security at my home. I need
help to set up a foolproof security which cant be penetrated or broken
illegally even by the most intelligent security experts with lot of
power."

Do you really think an alarm system that can satisfy those
requirements is a DIY job with equipment in the 2K-3K range?

TROLL ALERT!!!!

Anyone else got the feeling Bass is posting from another email
address?

Julian
 
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