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Everywhere Man

Jan 1, 1970
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Depending on what part of California you live in you might want to
contact Jack Stevens to handle your installation. Aside from his
problem with Doug that involved 'bad rubber in his trunk' he's a pretty
decent installer.
 
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harry

Jan 1, 1970
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Not everybody is rich and can afford 8-10k. As a matter of fact I dont
even have a job now but I need the security setup with no choice. I
already have an extra computer at my brothers place which I can use to
record over the internet. Mine is just a one bedroom apartment and I
don't think I need more than three cameras, two pointing at the door
and one pointing at the patio window from inside. Give some suggestions
please if I am wrong.
 
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Matt Ion

Jan 1, 1970
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Soundy,

I have absolutely no choice but to set up the security. I am not rich
but willing to spend reasonable amount of money. My brother lives a
couple of my miles from my place and we have an extra currently unused
computer at his place which I can use to record on over the internet.
My budget varies from 2k to 3k depending on the fool proofness of the
system. We both have broadband internet, I found a couple of door alarm
system vendors who quoted me $100 for install and approx $30-35 per
month for a two year contract. Suggest me what I have to do with the
camera system on top of that door alarm system.

Well first of all, if you're going to be recording and watching the
video remotely, do you really NEED a monitored alarm system? If not,
that'll save you $30-$35/month (which sounds ridiculously high to me).

What you could do then, if you want to record at his place and not at
yours, is just use IP cameras and a broadband router (I recommend
D-Link), and a switch if you're going to have more than four cameras, to
put your cameras "online", then put a DVR system that will record the IP
cameras at your brother's place. Take a look at www.videoinsight.net,
their system will work with IP cameras, and allow you remove viewing
access via remote client and web interface.

I can't really compare the cameras you listed to the ones I'm used to
dealing with, but I can tell you, don't cheap out on the cameras. $300
cameras typically ARE $200 better than $100 cameras.


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harry

Jan 1, 1970
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Tell me why should it cost more than 2k-3k for video surviellance
cameras and recording devices excluding the door alarm system. Its just
a studio apartment with 13X18 ft room with one entrance door and one
6ftX8ft window.
 
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harry

Jan 1, 1970
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Matt

Thanks for the kind response. I wont be watching it all the time on the
internet. I just need the system to record it somewhere else also apart
from my own apartment when somebody enters my studio apartment (13X17
room with one entrance door and one 6ftX8ft window) when I am not home.
I want to capture a clear picture and video of the face of the
intruders so I can use it in court if the need arises. I will try to
shop around in the next couple of days and find somebody who can do the
alarm system for 20-25 per month. How many video cameras do you think I
need for a studio size of 13ft X 17ft. Do I need a DVR or can I use an
existing computer with some RECORDING SOFTWARE that can capture the
video feed on the internet. Both me and my brother have DLINK broadband
wireless routers one is 108Mbps and the other is 54Mbps. Which brand IP
cameras with what features do you suggest. Can I use my DLINK broadbnad
router with 4 ports as a switch for the cameras ?

What are the advantages and disadvantages of IP cameras compared to
regular CCTV cameras ? (not sure if it is stupid question).
 
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Matt Ion

Jan 1, 1970
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harry said:
Matt

Thanks for the kind response. I wont be watching it all the time on the
internet. I just need the system to record it somewhere else also apart
from my own apartment when somebody enters my studio apartment (13X17
room with one entrance door and one 6ftX8ft window) when I am not home.

Easy enough...
I want to capture a clear picture and video of the face of the
intruders so I can use it in court if the need arises. I will try to
shop around in the next couple of days and find somebody who can do the
alarm system for 20-25 per month.

Thus my question again, do you NEED a monitored alarm? If you don't
need the monthly monitoring, you don't need to pay the monthly fee.
Just something to consider...
How many video cameras do you think I
need for a studio size of 13ft X 17ft.

With only two points of entry, I'd think two cameras would suffice...
Do I need a DVR or can I use an
existing computer with some RECORDING SOFTWARE that can capture the
video feed on the internet.

You'd need software that can record from multiple IP cameras...
typically that means DVR software that's designed for IP camera support.
Both me and my brother have DLINK broadband
wireless routers one is 108Mbps and the other is 54Mbps.

Wireless isn't necessary, unless you want to use wireless cameras as
well, but in a space that small, it's probably not worth the extra expense.
Which brand IP cameras with what features do you suggest.

D-Link makes several IP cameras as well, I've always found their
products solid and reliable.
Can I use my DLINK broadbnad router with 4 ports as a switch for the cameras ?

Yup... and additional switch is needed only if you need more network
ports than the router provides, but with only two cameras, that
shouldn't be an issue.
What are the advantages and disadvantages of IP cameras compared to
regular CCTV cameras ? (not sure if it is stupid question).

Advangtages are the the ability to access them directly over the 'net
without needing to run video cabling. Main disadvantage is the cost.
The cameras may also need to reduce the quality of the video to not
overload the bandwidth of your connection; straight video cameras
recording to a local DVR will always provide superior quality (frame
size, compression, and frame-rates).


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Matt Ion

Jan 1, 1970
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harry said:
Tell me why should it cost more than 2k-3k for video surviellance
cameras and recording devices excluding the door alarm system. Its just
a studio apartment with 13X18 ft room with one entrance door and one
6ftX8ft window.

The point they were making is that all too often, people come to the
professionals wanting a "high-quality" surveillance system to do cool
things like they see in the movies nd on TV (zooming in from a satellite
to count someone's nose hairs, for instance), but they think it'll be
cheap because they saw a little setup at Costco with a small B&W TV,
recorder, and four small B&W cameras for about $250, and they think they
can get something pro-grade for not much more... but when the cameras
themselves start at $250, and a digital recorder starts at $1000 (and
you don't even get a PC-based system for that), they tend to get a
little upset.

When you start off asking for pro advice and pro gear, expect to see pro
prices.


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Everywhere Man

Jan 1, 1970
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Mark said:
No I said to win!

(how many will get that?) <

None. Lucky Dan came in 2nd (place) but the original call said "In the
5th Place it on Lucky Dan". After the window closed was when he said
"No I said place"
Now I will drive you nuts by asking you the name of the horse that WON
the race?
:)
 
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Frank Olson

Jan 1, 1970
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I dont have that kind of cash but will use credit cards if I have to
since the security set up I mentioned in my original post is an
absolute necessity for some reason I cannot disclose here. Please guide
me if you can.


Contact three reputable dealers in your area (look through your local
Yellow Pages). Check out their reps at the BBB (if they happen to be
members, so much the better). Check their status with respect to
licensing (as it applies to your location). Have all three send reps to
review your concerns. Have them all quote on the same package so you're
comparing "apples to apples". Avoid using your credit cards if you can
(the interest rate is prohibitive). Larger Dealers may have a lease
option (or you can contact a leasing agency or your friendly banker
directly with the proposal you finally decide on).

Everything you've mentioned/requested in the way of equipment is
do-able, but it *is* expensive. It's also not something you should be
undertaking on your own if your personal safety is at risk. Let an
expert handle it for you.

Good luck!!

Frank Olson
http://www.yoursecuritysource.com
 
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Nomen Nescio

Jan 1, 1970
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[email protected] said:
I dont have that kind of cash but will use credit cards if I have to
since the security set up I mentioned in my original post is an
absolute necessity for some reason I cannot disclose here. Please guide
me if you can.

First, you come on here asking for "absolutely foolproof security." Guess
what -- there ain't no such thing. Much better protected places than your
apartment have been successfully robbed. All you can do is "pretty damn
good" security. It's like computer encryption: PGP is short for "pretty
good privacy," not "perfectly guaranteed privacy."

Second, when you ask professionals for advice and they give it to you, you
want to whine and bitch about how you can't afford it, and you want to
argue about why it shouldn't cost more than two, maybe three grand.

Since you don't seem to take our advice seriously, may I suggest that you
go to the store, buy whatever you think is appropriate, and stop bothering
us. You've gotten the professionals' opinion, with which I am in complete
agreement: what you want just ain't gonna happen for the money you have to
spend. If you don't like that answer, that's too damn bad.
 
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Bob Worthy

Jan 1, 1970
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harry said:
I want to capture a clear picture and video of the face of the
intruders so I can use it in court if the need arises.

Will the recorded video be watermarked? If not, using it in court may be a
waste of time.
 
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alarman

Jan 1, 1970
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Matt Ion said:
[email protected] wrote:
What you could do then, if you want to record at his place and not at
yours, is just use IP cameras and a broadband router (I recommend D-Link),
and a switch if you're going to have more than four cameras, to put your
cameras "online", then put a DVR system that will record the IP cameras at
your brother's place. Take a look at www.videoinsight.net, their system
will work with IP cameras, and allow you remove viewing access via remote
client and web interface.

Yes, Cox will just love him for that.
js
 
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alarman

Jan 1, 1970
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Everywhere Man said:
None. Lucky Dan came in 2nd (place) but the original call said "In the
5th Place it on Lucky Dan". After the window closed was when he said
"No I said place"
Now I will drive you nuts by asking you the name of the horse that WON
the race?
:)

Blue note?
js
 
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Doug L

Jan 1, 1970
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I think Blue Note was one of the horses in a previous race.

Doug L

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harry

Jan 1, 1970
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Bob said:
Will the recorded video be watermarked? If not, using it in court may be a
waste of time.



What is water marking and how do I do that.
 
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harry

Jan 1, 1970
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I thought my english comprehension is bad but yours is much worse. I
merely "stated" my budget and never bitched and whined like you accused
me. You have serious perception problems.

You said "stop bothering us". Are you a spokesman for all the posters
here ? And finally you accused me by posting anonymously. You are a
very gutsy man/woman.
 
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