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  1. harry

    harry Guest

    Hi
    I need some emergency help from the security experts here. This is the
    first time I am setting up security at my home. I need help to set up a
    foolproof security which cant be penetrated or broken illegally even by
    the most intelligent security experts with lot of power.

    This is what I am want at my home.

    A security alarm probably from one of the leading vendors like ADT or
    protection one so when somebody opens my home without the security code
    it will immediately alert the vendors.

    Secondly even if somebody somehow manages to get my security code and
    enters my apartment I want to get it recorded on a video tape with a
    video camera installed pointing to the front door entrance from inside
    since I will not be allowed to put a video camera outside by the
    apartment complex management.

    Thirdly I want to set up the video recording inside my home in such a
    way that the persons who somehow disables the alarm system and enters
    my apartment will not be able to destroy the video tape which recorded
    them entering my home.

    Fourthly I want to set up the video cameras inside my apartment such
    that the rooms can be viewed on the internet and most importantly to
    somehow be able to record it via the internet somewhere else if
    somebody enters my home and the motion sensors get activated.

    Based on these requirements what is the best set up and most
    economical. I am willing to hire a local security expert if need be,
    based on your recommendations.

    A million thanks in advance to anybody here who is considerate in
    helping me with this seccurity setup. Please respond asap and email me
    also if you can.
     
  2. Paranoia Self Destroyer
     
  3. Jim Rojas

    Jim Rojas Guest

    It would be cheaper to move to a safer neighborhood... :)

    Seriously, you are asking alot. $12K should be about right for a setup that
    meets all your requirements.

    Jim Rojas
     
  4. Crash Gordon

    Crash Gordon Guest

    $4000.00 & 65.00 per month for 3 years, includes radio backup, dvr, internet
    access.

    Call me asap (at home if you want) and we'll get you scheduled for
    installation.


    | Hi
    | I need some emergency help from the security experts here. This is the
    | first time I am setting up security at my home. I need help to set up a
    | foolproof security which cant be penetrated or broken illegally even by
    | the most intelligent security experts with lot of power.
    |
    | This is what I am want at my home.
    |
    | A security alarm probably from one of the leading vendors like ADT or
    | protection one so when somebody opens my home without the security code
    | it will immediately alert the vendors.
    |
    | Secondly even if somebody somehow manages to get my security code and
    | enters my apartment I want to get it recorded on a video tape with a
    | video camera installed pointing to the front door entrance from inside
    | since I will not be allowed to put a video camera outside by the
    | apartment complex management.
    |
    | Thirdly I want to set up the video recording inside my home in such a
    | way that the persons who somehow disables the alarm system and enters
    | my apartment will not be able to destroy the video tape which recorded
    | them entering my home.
    |
    | Fourthly I want to set up the video cameras inside my apartment such
    | that the rooms can be viewed on the internet and most importantly to
    | somehow be able to record it via the internet somewhere else if
    | somebody enters my home and the motion sensors get activated.
    |
    | Based on these requirements what is the best set up and most
    | economical. I am willing to hire a local security expert if need be,
    | based on your recommendations.
    |
    | A million thanks in advance to anybody here who is considerate in
    | helping me with this seccurity setup. Please respond asap and email me
    | also if you can.
    |
     
  5. Crash Gordon

    Crash Gordon Guest

    I guess I low-balled it...I'll race you to zero :)


    | It would be cheaper to move to a safer neighborhood... :)
    |
    | Seriously, you are asking alot. $12K should be about right for a setup
    that
    | meets all your requirements.
    |
    | Jim Rojas
    |
    |
    |
    | | > Hi
    | > I need some emergency help from the security experts here. This is the
    | > first time I am setting up security at my home. I need help to set up a
    | > foolproof security which cant be penetrated or broken illegally even by
    | > the most intelligent security experts with lot of power.
    | >
    | > This is what I am want at my home.
    | >
    | > A security alarm probably from one of the leading vendors like ADT or
    | > protection one so when somebody opens my home without the security code
    | > it will immediately alert the vendors.
    | >
    | > Secondly even if somebody somehow manages to get my security code and
    | > enters my apartment I want to get it recorded on a video tape with a
    | > video camera installed pointing to the front door entrance from inside
    | > since I will not be allowed to put a video camera outside by the
    | > apartment complex management.
    | >
    | > Thirdly I want to set up the video recording inside my home in such a
    | > way that the persons who somehow disables the alarm system and enters
    | > my apartment will not be able to destroy the video tape which recorded
    | > them entering my home.
    | >
    | > Fourthly I want to set up the video cameras inside my apartment such
    | > that the rooms can be viewed on the internet and most importantly to
    | > somehow be able to record it via the internet somewhere else if
    | > somebody enters my home and the motion sensors get activated.
    | >
    | > Based on these requirements what is the best set up and most
    | > economical. I am willing to hire a local security expert if need be,
    | > based on your recommendations.
    | >
    | > A million thanks in advance to anybody here who is considerate in
    | > helping me with this seccurity setup. Please respond asap and email me
    | > also if you can.
    | >
    |
    |
    |
     
  6. harry

    harry Guest

    I can't believe you guys are having fun at my expense. I sincerely
    asked you for help in setting up security and all I got here was scorn
    and ridicule.

    Isnt there atleast one security expert here who can guide me how to set
    up the video cameras and security myself if need be.

    This is the first time I am setting up security and hence need some
    help.

    TIA
     
  7. OK, I apologize for the joking, Harry. Let's start by you disclosing
    what your budget is for protecting your home, and your location. We can
    build from there. Fair enough?
     
  8. Based on these requirements what is the best set up and most

    Hate to rain on your parade harry, but you're looking at $2k plus for even a
    marginal quality do-it-yourself setup that does everything you want to do.
    To do it right would probably be in the $4-6k range. Of course, if you had
    that kind of cash, you might not be living in an apartment, no?
     
  9. mikey

    mikey Guest

    Your expense? haha, that's rich. You came here for free advice.



    *** ***
     
  10. Tommy

    Tommy Guest

    Harry,
    I don,t think anyone here is trying to joke at your expense. Most of
    the people on this NG joke about everything. Just lurk a while and you
    will see this. As to what you are looking to put in for security, that
    is a pretty big bill to fill. The numbers that have been thrown out are
    very accurate for what you are setting criteria for.
     
  11. Crash Gordon

    Crash Gordon Guest

    Hey, don't feel picked-upon, we have fun at everyone's expense - but what
    expense? It doesn't cost anything for free advice here.

    We get these kind of request EVERYDAY in real life...people call in for
    "ballpark prices" and want 10 cameras and DVR installed - when we ask what
    kind of budget they quote Costco pricing (400 bucks) and have a heart attack
    when we tell them they are in the neighborhood of 8-10K...keeps me laughing
    at least - but a waste of time.

    So...what IS your budget?



    |I can't believe you guys are having fun at my expense. I sincerely
    | asked you for help in setting up security and all I got here was scorn
    | and ridicule.
    |
    | Isnt there atleast one security expert here who can guide me how to set
    | up the video cameras and security myself if need be.
    |
    | This is the first time I am setting up security and hence need some
    | help.
    |
    | TIA
    |
    |
    |
    | Russell Brill wrote:
    | > $99 Down, plus $32 a month....... ha ha ha
    | >
    | > | > > It would be cheaper to move to a safer neighborhood... :)
    | > >
    | > > Seriously, you are asking alot. $12K should be about right for a setup
    | > > that meets all your requirements.
    | > >
    | > > Jim Rojas
    | > >
    | > >
    | > >
    | > > | > >> Hi
    | > >> I need some emergency help from the security experts here. This is
    the
    | > >> first time I am setting up security at my home. I need help to set up
    a
    | > >> foolproof security which cant be penetrated or broken illegally even
    by
    | > >> the most intelligent security experts with lot of power.
    | > >>
    | > >> This is what I am want at my home.
    | > >>
    | > >> A security alarm probably from one of the leading vendors like ADT or
    | > >> protection one so when somebody opens my home without the security
    code
    | > >> it will immediately alert the vendors.
    | > >>
    | > >> Secondly even if somebody somehow manages to get my security code and
    | > >> enters my apartment I want to get it recorded on a video tape with a
    | > >> video camera installed pointing to the front door entrance from
    inside
    | > >> since I will not be allowed to put a video camera outside by the
    | > >> apartment complex management.
    | > >>
    | > >> Thirdly I want to set up the video recording inside my home in such a
    | > >> way that the persons who somehow disables the alarm system and
    enters
    | > >> my apartment will not be able to destroy the video tape which
    recorded
    | > >> them entering my home.
    | > >>
    | > >> Fourthly I want to set up the video cameras inside my apartment such
    | > >> that the rooms can be viewed on the internet and most importantly to
    | > >> somehow be able to record it via the internet somewhere else if
    | > >> somebody enters my home and the motion sensors get activated.
    | > >>
    | > >> Based on these requirements what is the best set up and most
    | > >> economical. I am willing to hire a local security expert if need be,
    | > >> based on your recommendations.
    | > >>
    | > >> A million thanks in advance to anybody here who is considerate in
    | > >> helping me with this seccurity setup. Please respond asap and email
    me
    | > >> also if you can.
    | > >>
    | > >
    | > >
    |
     
  12. Frank Olson

    Frank Olson Guest


    Hey... I've seen some really nice apartments. One guy owns the entire
    top floor in a building overlooking Stanley Park and English Bay. 5500
    square feet. The elevator lobby is to die for (French wallpaper,
    wainscotting), not to mention the 360 degree panoramic view. He's done
    up the roof as well. Garden and a hot-tub that looks to be able to seat
    20 (it's *big*). He's spent around $100K on security, cctv, and fire
    protection (including a reader/keypad in the elevator to access his
    floor level that's independent of the building's security). He also
    owns the lower level of the parkade for his collection of vintage and
    hot Italian cars. That level is also protected by a foam extinguishment
    system (the normal sprinklers have been bypassed). And just in case one
    of the heads in the upper level parkade goes off, he's had a high
    capacity sump pump installed. All of this is of course monitored 24/7
    on DVAC.
     
  13. So much for it being an EMERGENCY huh?

     
  14. Guest

    No problem. Its a small 1bed room apartment. My budget is a little bit
    flexible depending on fool proof security I get. Assume I am a
    complete novice in security systems and surviellance cameras.

    I will hire one of the leading security companies like ADT etc to
    install door and window alarm systems. Please guide me with the rest of
    the cameras, internet watching and recording it somewhere other than my
    apartment since somebody can illegally get into my apt (assume they can
    disable the alarm or somehow manage to steal my alarm code) and steal
    the recording devices thereby eliminating evidence.

    Please guide me.
     
  15. Guest

    Free advice is one of the purposes of these usenet groups frequented by
    experts on that forum topic who enjoy their trade and helping people
    like me. I frequent some other usenet groups and give free advice to
    beginners in my area of expertize.
     
  16. Soundy

    Soundy Guest

    There are plenty of people here who I'm sure would be glad to give you
    advice, harry, but as others have noted, you really need to understand
    what kind of price you're looking at and then decide if you really want
    to go ahead with it before we invest all that time and effort.

    Thing is, you sound like you want a pretty serious setup, and some
    pretty good quality... and that doesn't come cheap. You can easily
    drop $300+ *per camera* just for a "entry-pro-level" 1/3" CCD camera
    and a basic 3.5-8mm vari-focal lens... and prices go up from there. A
    PC-based DVR with remote internet access will start around $2500 (I'm
    talking in Canadian dollars mind you) and ramp up sharply from there;
    something with remote recording, you could look at a Capture or Vigil
    system for closer to $5k.

    Or you could consider all IP cameras, and tack another $100 on for each
    one, but then each one is remote-addressable. Or go really high-end
    with some nice PTZ (pan-tilt-zoom) cameras for a couple grand a pop.

    As many others have noted, the discussion can't really go anywhere
    without knowing what kind of budget range you're looking at... or even
    IF you still want to do it given this information.
     
  17. Guest

    No problem Tommy, I understand. I am new to security but not new to
    usenet forums. Can you give me some suggestions how I can set up the
    cameras that meet my requirements in my original post.
     
  18. Guest

    I dont have that kind of cash but will use credit cards if I have to
    since the security set up I mentioned in my original post is an
    absolute necessity for some reason I cannot disclose here. Please guide
    me if you can.
     
  19. Crash Gordon

    Crash Gordon Guest

    I get them all the time. At first you (me) get excited about a possible big
    emergency job...but then the conversation goes south


    | So much for it being an EMERGENCY huh?
    |
    | Crash Gordon wrote:
    | > Hey, don't feel picked-upon, we have fun at everyone's expense - but
    what
    | > expense? It doesn't cost anything for free advice here.
    | >
    | > We get these kind of request EVERYDAY in real life...people call in for
    | > "ballpark prices" and want 10 cameras and DVR installed - when we ask
    what
    | > kind of budget they quote Costco pricing (400 bucks) and have a heart
    attack
    | > when we tell them they are in the neighborhood of 8-10K...keeps me
    laughing
    | > at least - but a waste of time.
    | >
    | > So...what IS your budget?
    | >
    | >
    | >
    | > | > |I can't believe you guys are having fun at my expense. I sincerely
    | > | asked you for help in setting up security and all I got here was scorn
    | > | and ridicule.
    | > |
    | > | Isnt there atleast one security expert here who can guide me how to
    set
    | > | up the video cameras and security myself if need be.
    | > |
    | > | This is the first time I am setting up security and hence need some
    | > | help.
    | > |
    | > | TIA
    | > |
    | > |
    | > |
    | > | Russell Brill wrote:
    | > | > $99 Down, plus $32 a month....... ha ha ha
    | > | >
    | > | > | > | > > It would be cheaper to move to a safer neighborhood... :)
    | > | > >
    | > | > > Seriously, you are asking alot. $12K should be about right for a
    setup
    | > | > > that meets all your requirements.
    | > | > >
    | > | > > Jim Rojas
    | > | > >
    | > | > >
    | > | > >
    | > | > > | > | > >> Hi
    | > | > >> I need some emergency help from the security experts here. This
    is
    | > the
    | > | > >> first time I am setting up security at my home. I need help to
    set up
    | > a
    | > | > >> foolproof security which cant be penetrated or broken illegally
    even
    | > by
    | > | > >> the most intelligent security experts with lot of power.
    | > | > >>
    | > | > >> This is what I am want at my home.
    | > | > >>
    | > | > >> A security alarm probably from one of the leading vendors like
    ADT or
    | > | > >> protection one so when somebody opens my home without the
    security
    | > code
    | > | > >> it will immediately alert the vendors.
    | > | > >>
    | > | > >> Secondly even if somebody somehow manages to get my security code
    and
    | > | > >> enters my apartment I want to get it recorded on a video tape
    with a
    | > | > >> video camera installed pointing to the front door entrance from
    | > inside
    | > | > >> since I will not be allowed to put a video camera outside by the
    | > | > >> apartment complex management.
    | > | > >>
    | > | > >> Thirdly I want to set up the video recording inside my home in
    such a
    | > | > >> way that the persons who somehow disables the alarm system and
    | > enters
    | > | > >> my apartment will not be able to destroy the video tape which
    | > recorded
    | > | > >> them entering my home.
    | > | > >>
    | > | > >> Fourthly I want to set up the video cameras inside my apartment
    such
    | > | > >> that the rooms can be viewed on the internet and most importantly
    to
    | > | > >> somehow be able to record it via the internet somewhere else if
    | > | > >> somebody enters my home and the motion sensors get activated.
    | > | > >>
    | > | > >> Based on these requirements what is the best set up and most
    | > | > >> economical. I am willing to hire a local security expert if need
    be,
    | > | > >> based on your recommendations.
    | > | > >>
    | > | > >> A million thanks in advance to anybody here who is considerate in
    | > | > >> helping me with this seccurity setup. Please respond asap and
    email
    | > me
    | > | > >> also if you can.
    | > | > >>
    | > | > >
    | > | > >
    | > |
    |
    |
     
  20. Guest

    Soundy,

    I have absolutely no choice but to set up the security. I am not rich
    but willing to spend reasonable amount of money. My brother lives a
    couple of my miles from my place and we have an extra currently unused
    computer at his place which I can use to record on over the internet.
    My budget varies from 2k to 3k depending on the fool proofness of the
    system. We both have broadband internet, I found a couple of door alarm
    system vendors who quoted me $100 for install and approx $30-35 per
    month for a two year contract. Suggest me what I have to do with the
    camera system on top of that door alarm system. I live in CA and
    checked out some IP cameras from dlink, panasonic in Frys Electronics
    ranging from $60 - $150 though I am not familiar with the technical
    details and features on them which is where I need some education and
    guidance.

    There is a network camera from panasonic for $99.95 which has built in
    server/ip address, 10X digital zoom, motion sensor with email alert,
    night view mode in Frys Electronics.

    Are these ip cameras any useful or is it better to go with more
    expensive better ones with more features.
     
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