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  1. Minus3db

    Minus3db Guest

    Hello,

    I'm a fairly recent graduate of EE, and I also have an electronics
    tech. diploma under my belt. I'm *desperate* to find work in the
    electronics industry, especially something in analog design, embedded
    control, or RF engineering. I'm living in Toronto, Canada.

    I'm having some real difficulty in finding a junior position - i.e.,
    one that doesn't require 5-10 years of experience, or a Masters
    degree. It's the old 'can't get the job without experience, can't get
    the experience without a job' story. :-(
    I've had lots of nice comments about my resume / cover letters, but
    'we've hired someone else with more experience than you' is starting
    to get old.
    Going back to school is not an option for me, due to family
    commitments.

    Right now I'm working as a consultant for construction projects -
    mostly low voltage distribution. Lots of drafting and paperwork, and
    absolutely no exposure to electronics whatsoever, but it's paying the
    bills for now. It's also driving me mad because I know exactly what
    industry I want to work in, I just can't seem to get hired.

    If anyone out there could offer some advice in finding a junior
    position in the electronics industry, I'd be grateful. Right now, I'm
    so disheartened that I'd even appreciate hearing from others in a
    similar situation, just so I know that I'm not alone. :)

    Thanks in advance,
     
  2. Tim Wescott

    Tim Wescott Guest

    1. Keep trying.
    2. Get a copy of "What Color is your Parachute". More than half of it
    is for finding the right career, but there's nice job finding bits in there.
    3. Keep trying.
    4. Find out if you have any friends, relations, fellow club members,
    church members _whatever_ that work in the industry and _use the
    connection_. I got my first job through a former girlfriend.
    5. Keep trying.
    6. Look for smaller companies, or companies who are hiring but not to
    the position you want, or temp agencies. My first job wasn't the best
    job -- I was wrenching on PC's for the most part, me with my MSEE, but I
    got enough experience to apply for my _second_ job which was better, and
    my _third_ job which lasted for almost 10 years and which I left to
    start working independently (and my first job out of school turned into
    my first customer out of 9-5 work).
    7. Keep trying.

    And for those of you who are still in school? Get an internship if at
    all possible, or even a job as a stock clerk in your target industry.
    Meet as many people as possible, keep track of them if they go someplace
    else, and make sure folks know what you want to do when you get out.
    Even as a stock clerk you can show drive and competence, which is a plus
    when they interview you as well as a bunch of total unknowns.

    Good luck.
     
  3. I read in sci.electronics.design that Tim Wescott
    I agree with this 100%. I did two spells of internship with the company
    I wanted to join, and when I went for the employment interview, I'd
    already worked for two of the board members. The fact that I had saved
    them several thousand pounds (in 1957, when that was money) helped as
    well.
     
  4. Mike

    Mike Guest

    Sometimes it's who you know rather than what you know. Check out some
    connections through family, friends, co-workers...

    Mike
     
  5. Schmooze around trade shows, local meetings and such like that fit
    your area of interest. There are often head hunters trolling about
    those affairs too, though they tend to want more experienced types.


    Best regards,
    Spehro Pefhany
     
  6. Google around for the Ask the Headhunter site. He has some really good
    advice for how to get hired, and how to survive the interview process.

    If you know what you want, and you know who is doing it, then those are
    the people to focus on. Talk to them. Talk to their sales folks. Talk
    to their customer support. If they have products or development kits,
    get them and learn how to use them!
     
  7. Ken Smith

    Ken Smith Guest

    There are many many companies within a short GO train or subway ride of
    you so don't lose hope.

    [....]
    I think you should have someone else read your resume and do a mock
    interview with you. Never believe the "nice comments and reasons we
    didn't hire you". It may be true but never believe them. If you didn't
    get hired, it means that somehow you didn't match up with what they were
    hoping for.

    The cover letter gets your foot in the door. The Resume is the boring
    documentation that backs up your interview. It really is the interview
    that gets you hired. These days there are other qualified people out
    there. It is useful to research the company you are applying to to find
    out what they are likely to care about and then brush up on those
    subjects. Their web site is a good place to start.

    Some interviewers will throw bogus stuff like what appear to be mistakes
    into the conversation (I do this) as a way to see how you react.
    Inexperienced people are less sure of themselves and tend to go along.
    Good and more experienced people do something to flag the error without
    saying "You're wrong-wrong! so dreadfully wrong!" The best is to indicate
    that you think the person mis-spoke, that you misheard or perhaps your
    resume wasn't clear on that point.
     
  8. Rich Grise

    Rich Grise Guest

    Yeah, but this isn't really a fair comparison. You're one of the smart
    ones. ;-)

    Cheers!
    Rich
     
  9. keith

    keith Guest

    Absolutely! I thik all of the "newbs" we've hired in the past ten years
    have been interns through school. Even in bad times we hired them after
    graduation. Once you're in, you're in. "IN" is the issue.
     
  10. Co-op programs help with this. Univ. of Waterloo has an excellent
    co-op engineering program with lots of interesting spin-offs such as
    Research in Motion, Certicom etc. locally. Helps pay for school (or,
    more likely, lots of beer, too).


    Best regards,
    Spehro Pefhany
     
  11. keith

    keith Guest

    Yes, I glump Coops in with interns. The coop program is invaluable,
    particularly for those not independantly wealthy. It's the only way to
    fly these days.

    I got lucky 30 years ago. I didn't do any co-op time, but wangled a job
    as a technician workign for the university for my four years. It didn't
    pay more than minimum, but the employers loved the experience.

    The worst thing is *no* work experience. All employers want to see that
    you're responsible. Even if you were slinging pizza in college, it's
    better than doing nothing. ...assuming the grades are in reason.
     
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